AEM needs an RX-8
07-24-2004, 02:15 PM
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i called them about a month ago to give them a deposit as he told me they will go fast thats when he told me that it would not make 8 to 10 hp like they thought but would make 3 to 4 hp so i never left the deposit.you can always call them because they were still working out minor things on the system.
07-25-2004, 10:04 PM
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I thought so.
Wakeech, you have a point, but... if word is out that the intakes don't make much power and there are many other competitors on the market. It makes it hard to differentiate onesself from the competitors. RB will always be able to sell by reputation alone, but what about everyone else???
Wakeech, you have a point, but... if word is out that the intakes don't make much power and there are many other competitors on the market. It makes it hard to differentiate onesself from the competitors. RB will always be able to sell by reputation alone, but what about everyone else???
07-26-2004, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Japan8
RB will always be able to sell by reputation alone, but what about everyone else???
We're happy to invite you in to chat, but you have to be dedicated to us before we'll be dedicated to you... or that is how I see it, anyway. I could be dead wrong.
07-26-2004, 01:25 AM
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it hasn't to do with dedication or creating someting special, they're all the same an the reason there is room in the marketplace for some many small companies is because all the intakes are about equal in their design and function. the real difference is in the way they look, and in a market where fashion takes precidence over function, people can say just about anything they want to, creating an aura of uniqueness and presenting their customer with a look different from the competition, but is still the same old tube with a cone filter on the end.
07-26-2004, 02:19 AM
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Yeah, and you, as you have said before, and I agree, think there is money better spent in other places, like the Canzoomer piggyback unit.
But, I'm still under the impression that a new VFAD and new airbox that is properly tuned would help make better gains. Again, I could be dead wrong. I've never done it, and apparently no one else has either. If the '8 gets exactly the amount of air it needs to perform at maximum capacity, then we can't do better. If not, then we could.
That is exactly why one of these pipe-with-a-filter-on-the-end designs does so much for, e.g., a Civic. Giving an "air starved" engine more air increases HP.
I'm saying to whatever companies that are listening, make something [more] functional [than the stock intake] because you want to make a better product for us and NOT do like everyone else does for every other car, and people (who want performance instead of just bling-bling) will buy it over the-same-old-product that everyone else makes. But, this is how I view it, and I think alot of people around here think this way. That is the point I'm trying to make. If you want to say that the '8-ers are a bunch of show-only type folk, then that is your opinion, and we can agree to disagree.
Anyway, that is my last comment on it, because I think this thread has been sufficiently hijacked. But, I do look forward to seeing what AEM has spent their time on and, in the future, what Racing Beat has spent their time on. Mazda engineers made something very difficult to pass.
But, I'm still under the impression that a new VFAD and new airbox that is properly tuned would help make better gains. Again, I could be dead wrong. I've never done it, and apparently no one else has either. If the '8 gets exactly the amount of air it needs to perform at maximum capacity, then we can't do better. If not, then we could.
That is exactly why one of these pipe-with-a-filter-on-the-end designs does so much for, e.g., a Civic. Giving an "air starved" engine more air increases HP.
I'm saying to whatever companies that are listening, make something [more] functional [than the stock intake] because you want to make a better product for us and NOT do like everyone else does for every other car, and people (who want performance instead of just bling-bling) will buy it over the-same-old-product that everyone else makes. But, this is how I view it, and I think alot of people around here think this way. That is the point I'm trying to make. If you want to say that the '8-ers are a bunch of show-only type folk, then that is your opinion, and we can agree to disagree.
Anyway, that is my last comment on it, because I think this thread has been sufficiently hijacked. But, I do look forward to seeing what AEM has spent their time on and, in the future, what Racing Beat has spent their time on. Mazda engineers made something very difficult to pass.
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07-26-2004, 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by robertdot
Yeah, and you, as you have said before, and I agree, think there is money better spent in other places, like the Canzoomer piggyback unit.
But, I'm still under the impression that a new VFAD and new airbox that is properly tuned would help make better gains.
If you want to say that the '8-ers are a bunch of show-only type folk, then that is your opinion, and we can agree to disagree.
Anyway, that is my last comment on it, because I think this thread has been sufficiently hijacked. But, I do look forward to seeing what AEM has spent their time on and, in the future, what Racing Beat has spent their time on.
But, I'm still under the impression that a new VFAD and new airbox that is properly tuned would help make better gains.
If you want to say that the '8-ers are a bunch of show-only type folk, then that is your opinion, and we can agree to disagree.
Anyway, that is my last comment on it, because I think this thread has been sufficiently hijacked. But, I do look forward to seeing what AEM has spent their time on and, in the future, what Racing Beat has spent their time on.
yeah, i'm sure that changing the tuning of the airbox and VFAD duct would probably help the motor breath a little easier at and above the current redline.
nah, i'd never say that RX-8'ers are all show, i was just sayin' in general (my worthless ranting, more or less) about the purchasers of such intakes.
07-26-2004, 09:15 AM
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well you both are correct in your assumptions...i do feel the same way robertdot...the RX-8 is an unique car, therefore requiring unique engineering and tuning..I think most people who own this car require that aftermarket vendors put a little ingenuity into their design, like Mazda did in the initial build. If we all wanted the same old crap that everyone else has, majority based on aesthetics, then we would be talking on the Civic forum not the RX-8 forum...
07-26-2004, 12:48 PM
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Dropped off my car this morning at AEM. Though after all this negative speculation I did hesitate to post.
I didn't ask Ben much about it since I had to get to work, but he did mention they are trying one more thing and it's putting the intake way out, but the fitting will be really close.
Ok, now we have to wait a week till I get the car back.
I didn't ask Ben much about it since I had to get to work, but he did mention they are trying one more thing and it's putting the intake way out, but the fitting will be really close.
Ok, now we have to wait a week till I get the car back.
07-26-2004, 12:51 PM
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No.. we are all interested in how this goes. Please do not hesitate to post further information. You know how threads work. They can sometimes go in other directions for a short time....
But I think we can all agree that we want to know how the progress on this is coming.
But I think we can all agree that we want to know how the progress on this is coming.
07-26-2004, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by davefzr
No.. we are all interested in how this goes. Please do not hesitate to post further information. You know how threads work. They can sometimes go in other directions for a short time....
But I think we can all agree that we want to know how the progress on this is coming.
But I think we can all agree that we want to know how the progress on this is coming.
07-26-2004, 03:04 PM
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Nowhere near... I work in Buena Park, AEM is in Hawthorne... er roughly 30 miles as the crow flys maybe?
I had to drop off the car, then get a ride home to drive my other car to work.
So I won't see it again until Friday.
I had to drop off the car, then get a ride home to drive my other car to work.
So I won't see it again until Friday.
07-26-2004, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wakeech
it hasn't to do with dedication or creating someting special, they're all the same an the reason there is room in the marketplace for some many small companies is because all the intakes are about equal in their design and function. the real difference is in the way they look, and in a market where fashion takes precidence over function, people can say just about anything they want to, creating an aura of uniqueness and presenting their customer with a look different from the competition, but is still the same old tube with a cone filter on the end.
Sorry you feel this way. This is not a new topic of discussion, but proven every time. It's not just a filter on a stick. If these new ideas on this intake don't make sufficient power, it will not be made.
07-26-2004, 11:14 PM
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Ben, it is proven with the 8 that a "filter on a stick" will produce power. The K&N sure does and had problems until it got that half-a$$ed heat shield. For me it still has the problem of being too loud and all the 10hp it makes is on the top end.
What we'd like to see is if an at least fairly quiet intake that can add some beef to the low-end .... area under the curve is more important than peak.
What we'd like to see is if an at least fairly quiet intake that can add some beef to the low-end .... area under the curve is more important than peak.
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07-27-2004, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Japan8
Ben, it is proven with the 8 that a "filter on a stick" will produce power. The K&N sure does and had problems until it got that half-a$$ed heat shield. For me it still has the problem of being too loud and all the 10hp it makes is on the top end.
What we'd like to see is if an at least fairly quiet intake that can add some beef to the low-end .... area under the curve is more important than peak.
What we'd like to see is if an at least fairly quiet intake that can add some beef to the low-end .... area under the curve is more important than peak.
07-27-2004, 10:14 AM
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I for one am interested in seeing what you guys come up with...I have used several of your components in several of my track cars as well as daily's and other cars i've tuned...and i've always had good results from everything, not just intakes..
I'm just wanting, as the others are, to be sure that more than just typical application and conventionalism are thrown out when it comes to the 8..so much is different with this engine that the normal intake is not going to "WoW" the 8 community...i'm sure K&N has seen little to no ROI on their intake...as it was a "quick to market" filter on a stick...and once the few trials within RX-8 community began to surface, disappointment has become commonplace...the need for real development is what we WANT, real results...i think you guys are on the right track...
Please keep us updated..
I'm just wanting, as the others are, to be sure that more than just typical application and conventionalism are thrown out when it comes to the 8..so much is different with this engine that the normal intake is not going to "WoW" the 8 community...i'm sure K&N has seen little to no ROI on their intake...as it was a "quick to market" filter on a stick...and once the few trials within RX-8 community began to surface, disappointment has become commonplace...the need for real development is what we WANT, real results...i think you guys are on the right track...
Please keep us updated..
07-27-2004, 10:35 AM
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Well i like pretty intakes. Im going to buy a shiny red one when AEM master crafts a sweet lookin, fully functional with wheel horsepower gains, and a wonderfully loud low grunt that the AEM intakes make. YAY!
I don't know if it's just me but i get excited when i hear someone stomp on the gas and their intake and/or exhaust roars to life. Makes me all warm and fuzzy on the inside. It's like insta-happy w/ no side-effects.
I don't know if it's just me but i get excited when i hear someone stomp on the gas and their intake and/or exhaust roars to life. Makes me all warm and fuzzy on the inside. It's like insta-happy w/ no side-effects.
07-27-2004, 11:34 AM
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Exhaust roaring to life.... cool. Intake... bad. My/my father's project 'Stang cured me of that one. The whole upper and lower intake is upgraded and the air cleaner is a modifed stock box. The thing is so loud... like huge nest of bees coming alive when you stomp the gas. I hate the noise... So of you guys may like that, but not me. A little noise I can live with, but db upon db of "ROAR" just is no good for me.
07-27-2004, 12:58 PM
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This is true. There is a threshold for each and every person where beautiful car intake/exhaust note becomes unbearable. But, then again how many top fuel drag/jet cars are quiet? If its crazy fast it's probably loud too.
07-27-2004, 02:24 PM
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I don't care what anyone says, it is very possible to get a quiet yet well performing intake. It is actually quite easy and only requires one thing to do it. The effort. Anything less is an excuse.
07-27-2004, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AEM_Tech
If these new ideas on this intake don't make sufficient power, it will not be made.
and that's total baloney. if you could sell the intake, you'll make it.
i know how marketing, (groan) especially in the auto industry works. the power gain is all in the head.
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
I don't care what anyone says, it is very possible to get a quiet yet well performing intake. It is actually quite easy and only requires one thing to do it. The effort. Anything less is an excuse.
amen brother
