Any opinions on LIGUID GLASS
10-11-2003, 11:28 AM
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Thanks Afrocreame,
I will give LG a shot once I get my 8.
Should you ever have any opinion to render on LG's longevity, please share it with us.
I do not plan on LG'ing my 8 each week. I plan on washing it weekly but hope that a few good coats of LG will get me through the winter, here in Long Island, NY.
Your thoughts?
Claude H.
I will give LG a shot once I get my 8.
Should you ever have any opinion to render on LG's longevity, please share it with us.
I do not plan on LG'ing my 8 each week. I plan on washing it weekly but hope that a few good coats of LG will get me through the winter, here in Long Island, NY.
Your thoughts?
Claude H.
10-11-2003, 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by 6speed8
the beauty of Zaino is you can put layer upon layer - and once you reach 5 layers - nothing comes close to longevity and shine. I
the beauty of Zaino is you can put layer upon layer - and once you reach 5 layers - nothing comes close to longevity and shine. I
Don't forget that you can layer Liquid Glass also. Whether using LG or Zaino, be sure to allow at least 4-6 hours "cure time" between coats.
Hey RX-GR8, keep us posted on your LG experience.
10-11-2003, 10:55 PM
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Don't forget that you can layer Liquid Glass also. Whether using LG or Zaino, be sure to allow at least 4-6 hours "cure time" between coats.
Hey RX-GR8, keep us posted on your LG experience.
Don't forget that you can layer Liquid Glass also. Whether using LG or Zaino, be sure to allow at least 4-6 hours "cure time" between coats.
Hey RX-GR8, keep us posted on your LG experience.
10-11-2003, 11:02 PM
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Not sure if LG is compared here, but this link is the reason I went to Zaino and have not been sorry for doing so.
http://www.nsxsc.com/nsexcitement/waxtest.html
http://www.nsxsc.com/nsexcitement/waxtest.html
10-12-2003, 07:46 AM
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Hey AfroCreame,
I saw in your post where you said you used Z5. You only need to use Z5 to cover swirls/fine scratches, otherwise just use Z2. Z5 is not as 'optically pure' as Z2.
I saw in your post where you said you used Z5. You only need to use Z5 to cover swirls/fine scratches, otherwise just use Z2. Z5 is not as 'optically pure' as Z2.
10-12-2003, 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by 6speed8
Hey AfroCreame,
I saw in your post where you said you used Z5. You only need to use Z5 to cover swirls/fine scratches, otherwise just use Z2. Z5 is not as 'optically pure' as Z2.
Hey AfroCreame,
I saw in your post where you said you used Z5. You only need to use Z5 to cover swirls/fine scratches, otherwise just use Z2. Z5 is not as 'optically pure' as Z2.
10-12-2003, 10:21 PM
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I haven't forgotten! As I stated in my previous posts I ordered some Zaino and wanted to do a Zaino vs. Liquid Glass comparo...I wasn't too impressed. I've applied 3 coats of Z5 and have gone through an entire bottle of Z2. Did the car look great? Yes, my car does look damn good, I would have to say the Zaino is a LITTLE bit more reflective than the Liquid Glass. Why don't I post pictures? Because I've tried different angles, different lighting, etc...and you cannot tell a difference between the two at all using a camera. THe way I did it was to wax the hood in 2 sections....one with LG..other with Zaino. After I go through the Zaino I'am going back to LG. It seems to dry quicker, a couple of coats brings me close to multiple coats of zaino, easier to take off, and it's available locally. I even went to a car gathering awhile back with shawrf1 and spdspappy and they weren't overly impressed with the Zaino. If you must have the ultimate shine...yea..go with Zaino and tons of coats of it. If you want a shine that's 95% of Zaino, with 2 or less coats...use LG. I wax my car at least once a week so I didn't do any durability tests. One other note...with as much orange peel the RX8 has..the great shine of LG and Zaino really brings it out. Instead of a silky smooth paint (which I expected after tons of coats with each wax), I seemed to get smooth, shiney orange peel. Just my 02
Yes about the orange peel. So many paints are mica or metallic now to hide the peel.
10-18-2003, 04:51 PM
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Personally I think Zaino is a bunch of crap.
A) My experience it gives no more shine. I've tried it, then I had people look at it who didn't know I did half the car w/Zaino and half with Eagle One Wet and they didn't see a difference.
B) Applying 5 coats of Zaino twice a year results in 10 coats of wax. I can use regualar wax once a month, spend less time,less money, and have more protection if I really wanted to be that ****.
A) My experience it gives no more shine. I've tried it, then I had people look at it who didn't know I did half the car w/Zaino and half with Eagle One Wet and they didn't see a difference.
B) Applying 5 coats of Zaino twice a year results in 10 coats of wax. I can use regualar wax once a month, spend less time,less money, and have more protection if I really wanted to be that ****.
10-18-2003, 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by pr0ber
Personally I think Zaino is a bunch of crap.
A) My experience it gives no more shine. I've tried it, then I had people look at it who didn't know I did half the car w/Zaino and half with Eagle One Wet and they didn't see a difference.
B) Applying 5 coats of Zaino twice a year results in 10 coats of wax. I can use regualar wax once a month, spend less time,less money, and have more protection if I really wanted to be that ****.
Personally I think Zaino is a bunch of crap.
A) My experience it gives no more shine. I've tried it, then I had people look at it who didn't know I did half the car w/Zaino and half with Eagle One Wet and they didn't see a difference.
B) Applying 5 coats of Zaino twice a year results in 10 coats of wax. I can use regualar wax once a month, spend less time,less money, and have more protection if I really wanted to be that ****.
Anyway, good luck with waxes , after 30 years of 'waxing' my own cars, I personally have found nothing comes close to Zaino.
10-19-2003, 10:21 AM
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Yea....that's the first time I've ever heard anyone post any negatives for Zaino.
I've been using it for years and tried all the other waxes (including LG, Pinnacle, Meguiars, Zymol as well as many others) and have yet to find a wax with the durability, shine and ease of use as Zaino.
I think the perception is you have to put many coats on. One coat will give a shine comparable to anything else out there. It will also be the most durable (I've had one coat last 6 months). It's just that the more coats you put on, the shine gets better and better.
But, to each his/her own.
I've been using it for years and tried all the other waxes (including LG, Pinnacle, Meguiars, Zymol as well as many others) and have yet to find a wax with the durability, shine and ease of use as Zaino.
I think the perception is you have to put many coats on. One coat will give a shine comparable to anything else out there. It will also be the most durable (I've had one coat last 6 months). It's just that the more coats you put on, the shine gets better and better.
But, to each his/her own.
10-19-2003, 02:15 PM
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Zaino is a pain in the ***. The directions dont include everything. It took me several tries to get things *perfect.* But once you perfect it, it looks way better than wax. Leave the wax for pubes :D
10-19-2003, 09:15 PM
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Actually, the initial steps are those that should be done to every car to get the absolute best shine and endurance, regardless of the wax used. Things like the Dawn wash and claying to start with a totally clean surface would benefit any wax job. I think those steps are the ones that scare some people. Also, it's hard for people to understand tht Zaino needs to be put on in very thin layers. If they aren't then streaking will occur.
Aside from those steps, I find Zaino to be extremely quick and easy to use.
Aside from those steps, I find Zaino to be extremely quick and easy to use.
10-20-2003, 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by graphicguy
Yea....that's the first time I've ever heard anyone post any negatives for Zaino.
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Yea....that's the first time I've ever heard anyone post any negatives for Zaino.
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10-20-2003, 12:58 PM
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I've noticed one HUGE plus for Zaino over LG. It hardly attracts dust! I can wax my car with LG, drive around a little while and it's covered it fine dust. While the Zaino does attract a little, it's nowhere NEAR LG.
10-20-2003, 05:59 PM
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OK, this is what gets me about Zaino.
They spend all this advertising about "optical clarity". Am I the only person in the world who's car never turned yellow from wax? I've waxed headlights, paint, chrome wheels, got some on windows - wax does not turn frikkin yellow. Melt off? The only time I've even seen wax melt off of a car was in some lame *** Durashine car wax commercial.
Its an overpriced wax that relies mostly on a placebo effect in peoples mind to work.
ok heres a pic of a 10 year old probe that gets waxed 2 times a year with crappy cheap *** wax except for the single time I zaino'd it. It has the original 10 year old crappy paint that was oxidized like hell before I got it 5 years ago, hasn't been waxed for 2 months in this picture, lives outside 24/7, goes through harsh winters... am I missing something here?
They spend all this advertising about "optical clarity". Am I the only person in the world who's car never turned yellow from wax? I've waxed headlights, paint, chrome wheels, got some on windows - wax does not turn frikkin yellow. Melt off? The only time I've even seen wax melt off of a car was in some lame *** Durashine car wax commercial.
Its an overpriced wax that relies mostly on a placebo effect in peoples mind to work.
ok heres a pic of a 10 year old probe that gets waxed 2 times a year with crappy cheap *** wax except for the single time I zaino'd it. It has the original 10 year old crappy paint that was oxidized like hell before I got it 5 years ago, hasn't been waxed for 2 months in this picture, lives outside 24/7, goes through harsh winters... am I missing something here?
10-21-2003, 12:42 AM
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I can see your point...kinda, but Zaino or any other wax isn't a miracle. You have to have good paint to make Zaino, LG, or Jizz Juice in a Bottle make your paint shine. You start with ****, you finish with ****. Zaino isn't going to make a crappy 10 year old, oxidized finished look like gloss...get real. Just a little bit of a cheap shot at Zaino. OMG...did I just defend Zaino?
10-21-2003, 08:07 AM
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Got to agree with AfroCreame here. If you have a good finish to begin with, you're going to get better results.
Personally, I don't care what others use. I've used Zaino with great results. I've used a ton of other products, some good....some not so good.
I found Zaino to offer the best shine, durability and ease of use of any product I've ever used (in 25 years of owning a car).
But, to each his/her own. If something else works better for you, then keep using what you're using.
While I've never had any wax turn yellow on my finish, I've seen some cars that have. The downside to the Carnuba waxes are that they "melt" under high heat (like what you would experience on your hood or in hot climates). That's why they don't last very long.
I've long been a believer that you get what you pay for. Those of us who do like Zaino or LG or other high end wax don't buy into the "placebo" affect you allude to. We see real real differences between the "cheap" stuff and Zaino, LG, Pinnacle and some of the other higher end waxes.
Prober....sounds like you aren't the fanatic as some of us are about our finish. Since you aren't "fanatical", you probably can't tell a difference. That's OK, too.
Like AfroCreame, I want my finish to look its best, not merely "good enough". That's where we differ.
Personally, I don't care what others use. I've used Zaino with great results. I've used a ton of other products, some good....some not so good.
I found Zaino to offer the best shine, durability and ease of use of any product I've ever used (in 25 years of owning a car).
But, to each his/her own. If something else works better for you, then keep using what you're using.
While I've never had any wax turn yellow on my finish, I've seen some cars that have. The downside to the Carnuba waxes are that they "melt" under high heat (like what you would experience on your hood or in hot climates). That's why they don't last very long.
I've long been a believer that you get what you pay for. Those of us who do like Zaino or LG or other high end wax don't buy into the "placebo" affect you allude to. We see real real differences between the "cheap" stuff and Zaino, LG, Pinnacle and some of the other higher end waxes.
Prober....sounds like you aren't the fanatic as some of us are about our finish. Since you aren't "fanatical", you probably can't tell a difference. That's OK, too.
Like AfroCreame, I want my finish to look its best, not merely "good enough". That's where we differ.
10-23-2003, 12:30 PM
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Wax does yellow, but it's a gradual process that happens over time so you don't see it. What you do notice (with wax) is that it's time to wax it again, and once you do (and as you are doing it) you step back and go 'wow' now that's a great shine.
Why do you think a freshly waxed car looks better? Because (if done right) the old wax is removed (along with the yellowed. dulling layer) and the true color of the paint and shine is revealed.
With Zaino the car always looks the same, never dull, but each layer brings out more depth and shine.
As for the process of applying Zaino, I personally think it is easier. It is just the initial prepping that takes time, but after that, it is a breeze.
Why do you think a freshly waxed car looks better? Because (if done right) the old wax is removed (along with the yellowed. dulling layer) and the true color of the paint and shine is revealed.
With Zaino the car always looks the same, never dull, but each layer brings out more depth and shine.
As for the process of applying Zaino, I personally think it is easier. It is just the initial prepping that takes time, but after that, it is a breeze.
12-04-2003, 05:18 PM
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LG is the only wax that I use on my car. The stuff is great and it last a pretty long time. Just put on 2 coats and then each time you wash your car just use some spray-on wipe-off detail wax and you will be good to go. I wouldn't trust any other wax on my $2200 paint.
12-04-2003, 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by AfroCreame
Humm...let's add it up..
Liquid Glass: $17.99 (I think that's what I paid)
ZFX Flash Cure: $19.95 (This supposedly "speeds" up the drying time)
Z2: $12.95
$32.90. Tha'ts quit a bit of diffrerence between the price. I've used Zaino on two of my previous cars...a Chrome Silver 350Z and a Blue G35 Coupe. I admit it looked okay, but not worth the time. The amount of effort, mail ordering, etc. didn't have the ohhh ahhh factor I was expecting. Switched back to LG as it's available locally, fairly cheap, and can be layered just like Zaino. I'll break it down like this. If you want the absolute best shine (not a night and day diffrence), have alot of time on your hands to get the best results (multiple coats), and don't plan on waxing much..go with the Zaino as it's very durable. If you want great results with little effort, but don't mind waxing a little more often...go with LG. As far as the leather..I thought it would be a miracle..almost like the second coming as Zaino is the holy grail....after putting it on my wifes Navigator (Creame leather), and my Black leather on the 8..it look liked crap. I had to keep buffing it to get the greasy feel out. Maybe I just got a bad batch? I still prefer Lexol as the best. It's leaves a good feel and smell. To each his own.
Humm...let's add it up..
Liquid Glass: $17.99 (I think that's what I paid)
ZFX Flash Cure: $19.95 (This supposedly "speeds" up the drying time)
Z2: $12.95
$32.90. Tha'ts quit a bit of diffrerence between the price. I've used Zaino on two of my previous cars...a Chrome Silver 350Z and a Blue G35 Coupe. I admit it looked okay, but not worth the time. The amount of effort, mail ordering, etc. didn't have the ohhh ahhh factor I was expecting. Switched back to LG as it's available locally, fairly cheap, and can be layered just like Zaino. I'll break it down like this. If you want the absolute best shine (not a night and day diffrence), have alot of time on your hands to get the best results (multiple coats), and don't plan on waxing much..go with the Zaino as it's very durable. If you want great results with little effort, but don't mind waxing a little more often...go with LG. As far as the leather..I thought it would be a miracle..almost like the second coming as Zaino is the holy grail....after putting it on my wifes Navigator (Creame leather), and my Black leather on the 8..it look liked crap. I had to keep buffing it to get the greasy feel out. Maybe I just got a bad batch? I still prefer Lexol as the best. It's leaves a good feel and smell. To each his own.
Well for all the praise that this Zaino has, I think im going to purchase the kit, I feel like I have been brainwashed by you all :p
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I've used quite a few different waxes on MANY different cars, most black, and the liquid glass still looks the best... I currently own a black C43 Benz with 64000 miles. Nothing has ever looked as good or protected as long as the LG.
Keep in mind, you can do the DAWN strip/claybar/prep/wax with ANY type of wax, not just Zaino. This is indeed what I did with the LG, stripped and clayed with Meguiars, and since LG doesn't need a glaze, you can skip right to applying coats of LG. Shine is fantastic.
Keep in mind, you can do the DAWN strip/claybar/prep/wax with ANY type of wax, not just Zaino. This is indeed what I did with the LG, stripped and clayed with Meguiars, and since LG doesn't need a glaze, you can skip right to applying coats of LG. Shine is fantastic.