MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

Yeah, that is the wax hiding the fact that the paint isn't clean.
If you use a good polish/paint cleaner first, you will get the same shine.

If I strip my RX-8 completely of wax (or my Miata for that matter), the water will still bead.

Beading water is a misused marketing gimmick.

A freshly painted car will also bead and it is certainly devoid of all waxes, surfactants or protectants.

JeRKy 8 Owner

GuysI bought some microfiber cleaning wipes today at a discount auto on the way home from work and unfortunately I didntnotice that they come w/cleaners and waxes already applied intothe wipes. Its called the glosser. ShouldI return these and find plain microfiber wipes or shouldthese be fine to use w/the wax I also bought?

diamond jim

That's funny stuff. You made me laugh for about 10 minutes at my computer...

truemagellen

return those...get the microfiber towels...and I must recomend going to Costco since I got like 10 of them for under $10 but it may have been like $5 for 10 I cant remember

at most stores it is like 8$ for one!

SLiM8

I would vote for crystal guard. It's not a one step product but after the paint prep it looks stunning. IMO, it even outshines zaino. You should give it a try, you won't be dissappointed.

loco4rx8

Well, MazdaManiac, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I pointed out that something was still on my mother's car six months later, evidenced by the fact that it never beaded water unless either wax or Zaino was applied. And when Zaino was applied, it beaded water for six months. You can argue whether or not the Zaino is protecting anything, but you cannot argue whether or not it was still there six months later. That, the shininess, and the fact that the car remained easy to clean, including removing bugs with little effort, makes it obvious to me that the Zaino was still on the car and still doing its job.

The beading itself may not be a property of protection, but in this case it is a way to deduce the differences between paint that has nothing on it and paint that has something on it.

Incidentally, the folks on the auto detailing forums agree that Klasse and Zaino can last for up to six months. Everyone and every situation is different, and for whatever reason, some people may only get 3 or 4 months' protection. But generally, these products last far longer than regular carnauba waxes.

Everyone, I'm sorry this thread got a bit off topic.

MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

Well, the point is, there is no science in place to prove that it lasts for any defined period of time.
Zaino, like any other sacrificial surface product, will be affected by environmental issues.

loco4rx8

I can live with that. :D

NavyDood

The only time you will spend 6 or more hours is the initial application of Zaino. After the Dawn, Clay, Z7, Z1, Z2 or Z5, then Z6 your good to go. You will spend that amount of time with any polish/wax product if you do the whole Dawn, Clay, Wash, application.

You should only spend maybe an hour tops after the above is done. A wash, dry, Z6 and your good to go.

The first time I clayed my 96 White Z28, it took me 8 hrs just to clay it. I had tons of rail dust that took forever to get off.

6speed8

The main benefit of Zaino is it's durability, it lasts and you can tell by sight and feel, along with the 'water beading'. Another benefit is it can be layered, and that's how you get the depth of shine... Anything less than 4 or 5 coats is rather unspectacular, but after coat 5 - Look out!

The INITIAL preparation takes the time for Zaino, subsequent coats take appox 1 hr from start to finish for the RX-8, and VERY VERY little muscl is required.

I am sure NXT is easy and looks great too, but as I understand it it can not be layered, and if you put it over Zaino, you probably just removed the Zaino by applying the NXT.

To each his/her own (right Baller? LOL) I prefer Zaino, may all of you enjoy your choices too.

Rob Tomlin

Actually, my experience with Zaino (8 years worth) has been that you will continue to see improvement in shine and depth through three coats. After that, I can't see a difference.

In other words, coats 2 and 3 make a noticeable improvement from the prior coat. But from coat 3 to coat 4, I don't see a noticeable difference in shine or depth.

kookers

It's kinda funny that we Zaino freaks notice the best shine and beading at different coats. For me, it was coat #4 that really brought out the deep shine and wet-looking effect. My $.02.

6speed8

As fa as the amount of coats vs depth of shine, I guess the color could make a difference. On my Silver '8', silver Miata and silver Celica GT-S - 5 coats really made a difference over a less amount. Darker colors will probably get away with Less coats.

Rob Tomlin

Just for the heck of it, I went and bought the Meguiars NXT since I had to wax my wifes Trailblazer anyway. Figured I would save the Zaino for my car!

Anyway, lets just say that the NXT certainly is no Zaino! Easy to apply, yes. Removal was about the same as Zaino. Shine was not as good. I wasn't impressed. At all. Will try to get my money back via the guarantee.

truemagellen

did you do a good buffing with a microfiber towel?

red_rx8_red_int

In the sun the next day I could not tell a difference. If NXT removes zaino, I couldn't tell. Washed the car yesterday and still no difference. I will try NXT on my daughters non-zaino car and see how it looks. To the person that posted about 12 hours or 6 hours. I can put a coat of zaino on and take it off in one hour (using the zfx accelarator).

Baller

Zaino works great on GM products because the cars don't last.
Get real you guys, Zaino is a lesson of good marketing......last longer my butt.
I have used them all, and Zaino is not the best deep shine. and it does not last longer, but old Sal Zaino will sure make you think so.

truemagellen

I think zaino is a great shine but no way does it last 6 months...and yes their marketing is bad but it isn't as bad and evil as Rocky Mountain Radar (RMR)

loco4rx8

Sorry it didn't last long for you guys, but i GUARANTEE you it lasted 7 months for me. Four coats lasted from August to March when I started over and added another four coats.

I respect your opinion and believe that for some reason your experience with the product has been different from mine and many others'. But please don't tell people who've experienced its durability that it doesn't last that as long as they say. You simply don't know my experience, you weren't there.

kookers

I'm with Loco! Don't be flaming us Zainopians cause we get great long lasting shine and protection with our Z! I have tried many other waxes and polishes over the years- NONE has given me satisfaction of my Zaino. I don't know Sal Zaino, never met the man, but he has one great kickass show car polish IMO! :D

6speed8

Easy on the Non-Zaino-ites, they are most likely tired from applying wax every month or two. Baller is a special case, he hates Zaino with a passion, and that's fine - his choice (everyone should be passionate about something).

A While back someone had posted on this board (copied from S2KI.com) a test someone had conducted with different waxes on a hood, and Zaino appeared to have lasted longer.

Use what you like, for me it's Zaino, dollar for dollar, time and muscle, Zaino is my choice.

Baller

6speed8,
I am begining to like your style.