Spinning Sushi

iTrader: (21)

Driving recklessly on the mountain is not being a track *****, it's called being stupid.

Saphus

I feel i've been mis-understood.

Im saying that I am NOT a track *****, and that most of the people on these forums are.

I'm wondering why someone cant have a nice street car, that they take to the track from time to time just for the sake of knowledge and to improve their over-all driving skill, without someone thinking they're an "idiot".

I'm thinking this forum is gonna be a waste of my time.. this is the second damn post where people who aren't into what I'm asking have added their 2 cents all leading up to

"You're a moron" .... "We're better than you because we go to AutoCross meets."

(I know you've never said that but its an implication I am intentionally dishing out to target your B.S. self righteousness)

What I do, It's a personal preference, the way I build my car, personal preference. And the only reason Im on here, is because my car just so happens to be an RX-8...

Spinning Sushi

iTrader: (21)

We just don't want you to do this to your 8

Saphus

Thank you for that... And believe me. I am not entirely without experience in that department...

I think I see where you're coming from... Some kid, wants to street race without any clue of the possible consequences...

I've been there seen that and done it a few times myself as well... What I will tell you is this. The times when I've lost a car to violent circumstances was when I wasn't paying enough attention.. much like 89% of americas road traffic.

The way I drive whether I'm doing 10mph through a parking lot, or 40 miles per hour on a main road, is the same way you drive when you're on a track... with full attention paid to every minor detail... and yes bad things can happen... what if I meet that 89 percenter whos drunk, or on their cell phone, or worse, an old person? If I happen to be on a windy road when they hit me (long after I've seen the light from their headlights reflecting on the road and have slowed down to a quarter of the speed I was just driving) Its gonna look bad for you guys.

I get it.

This is my life motto though. and I live by it

Anyone can do Anything, as long as they're willing to accept the consequences.

BlueRenesis82

Shut up and go away with this junk. Go post in the lounge, this is certainly not Competition forum material.

SolarYellow510

I love the track, I love the road. But they are not, and never can be the same.

I have, over the last ten years, watched one of the best roads in the world go from a paradise for the adventurous and exploratory types to being closed for years at a time to being somewhere you can only go to have fun by taking a day off work and hitting it at 2:00 p.m., because the cops know they can cherry pick speeding ricers all night. I have seen a**holes crossing over the line to go slow, without control. I have had friends see cars go over the edge, and try to help the people who were in them. I have seen it go from skidmarks on one turn in 15 miles to skidmarks understeering off almost half the turns.

I have lost a friend by telling him it's a bad idea to cross the line.

The way to drive on the mountain roads is about survival more than speed, because you have to be prepared for the idiot coming the other direction who doesn't respect physics.

If you've always wanted to touge race, stay in Kentucky.

If you want to do a closed-course mountain road in true competition, find out about organized, sanctioned hillclimbs, with ambulances ready at the bottom.

PerSmitt

I love the track and I love the twisty roads. Lets face it 99% of the time we are driving on roads not on the track. Still we have a very fun package to drive around. I am certain a lot of people have had a fast car in front of them on a twisty road and decided to "lets see if i can keep up". NOTE: That is not racing. If you decide "i must keep up" then its racing because that can tempt you over your limit.

I might be going out on a thin branch here but i believe most forum dwellers here have at one point been speeding with their 8. Its kind of hard not to all things considered. And if you have been speeding on a twisty road who is to say at what speed limit it turns from speeding to all out racing.

In my opinion its the mindset that dictates if it is racing or not. If it is competition we don't back off when the natural instinct tells us to back off, and that is where it becomes dangerous. Therefore if you are driving down a twisty road and enjoying a spirited drive through the turns, by all means its not dangerous. Just keep the DSC on, don't drift and only cut through corners when its clear sight so you are certain there is no other car coming around the bend.

Obviously you need a lot more margins when driving on the normal road than on the track. Driving the car to 50% of its capabilities is perfect for a normal road.

Saphus

YES! thats it man! Thats all I was claiming... and you used the right words I couldn't think of ...("Spirited Drive") I will however admit... these spirited drives lead me to wonder what it would take to ACTUALLY touge race... which is why I started this thread

staticlag

I've been to japan, and honestly the mountain roads are absolutely insane, only barely enough room for two cars to inch by, completely blind hairpin turns. Snakes crossing the road, avalances, bikers.

If you think togue originated in that, then you are insane. Yeah, makes a good course if you close down the road and clean it off first but to try and hit it without even checking whats up front first is absolute suicide. Hit a snake at 50 mph in a corner? Your going to slide off the mountain. Come around a corner and find a chunk of rock the size of tire has fallen from the mountain? car is toast at least. Find some poor old farmer walking up to a temple? Jeez.

Thats what people are getting fussy about, the posers who try and drive track on the backroads, deer, oil spills, gravel. There could be anything on that highway in front of you.

On a track they keep it clean, they have no pedestrians, all the cars are going in one direction, and accidents still happen!

staticlag

/end rant

Doesn't really help either that a lot of the guys that like to street race or "canyon carve" don't have tire or suspension setups with progressive give. They are on all seasons or cut springs or coilovers set way to low, they have total control one second and then the next second they have no control.

Fun to cruise at night, windows down, music up? Heck yes!!!

Speed though backroads at night? Not unless you plan on flipping your car into a ditch or hitting a deer, hitting a fallen tree branch, hitting a semi-tire.

rglbegl

Hey new guy . . . . . . .

Dont take any offense to these posts. Most of us are taking this to say " I like to be dangerous and street race on public roads where I can run the risk of hurting myself and other around me."

This is why everyone says "take it to the track"

We have National champions here,
We have mothers here,
we have responsible drivers here,
and we have cops here
None of which are going to respond lightly to a street racing thread.



Keep it safe.
Keep it legal
make it fun.

BlueRenesis82

No one here touge races, you should go to some JDM fanboi site and see what they have to tell you.

altiain

iTrader: (3)

Because you're not taking it to the track, you're doing it on the street. That's stupid, and you're not going to be able to justify it no matter what time of day it is or how good of a driver you think you are or whatever. There is no justification for it, period.

People die every day in this country from street racing and driving beyond their limits on public roads. Why? Because they're idiots. Why are they idiots? For two reasons.

First, they typically have a whole lot less "mad skillz" than they think they do. They have very little experience and no formal training on what to do when they have exceeded the car's capabilities, so when they lose control of the car - which will happen sooner or later - they have no idea how to properly regain control or minimize the potential for damage. You will not learn this from watching The Fast and the Furious, nor will you learn it from playing Gran Turismo until your eyes bleed. You will only learn this through experience, and the street is not the place to be gaining that experience.

Second, the street is not a controlled environment. I don't care what time of day or night it is or where you are, you never know when there will be a kid or a pedestrian or a pothole or a soccer mom talking on the phone or whatever around that blind corner. There typically isn't any runoff either, so if you leave the confines of the road, you're going to hit something or someone.

That's why those of us who are serious about exploring the limits of our cars do it in a controlled environment. That not only means an area with controlled access (to keep the kids on bicycles, pedestrians, soccer moms, etc. to a minimum), but it also typically means at least a cursory vehicle tech inspection and a minimum level of safety equipment, none of which you have when practicing your "touge" at three in the morning.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you really want to explore the limits of your car in a safe and responsible manner, get yourself out to an autocross or track day. Don't be a dumbass on public roads, and don't expect to get anything but well-deserved grief for talking about being a dumbass on public roads in this forum.

Saphus

Ok... I've said it once & I'll say it again... I push my car nowhere NEAR its limits on any public road... Im not as stupid as you think I am... **** I barely know how to drive the thing yet let alone push it... All i know how to do is downshift to slow the car down on an incline and COAST through a curve (Not a corner a CURVE) then accellerate mildly back to speed on a straight... Thats it! there is no point where my speed exceeds 55 mph and its a 50 mph road!!!

It is a Fun drive. Period. As for a stopwatch... im a compulsive liar... you figure out which story is a lie... And I'll give you a ****** cookie.. hows that sound?

**wait... rolling downhill, Thatd be an incline.. right? or a decline???**

Saphus

Ok... Thread done... noone likes touge... this is probably garnering unwanted attention from moderators... and its just making me look like an ******* who noone on this forum is going to take seriously after awhile. I got it... no touge... no street build talk whatsoever on this forum..

I got it...

If i ever decide to stick some cones in a parking lot I'll let you guys know.

BlueRenesis82

It only took your a couple days to figure that out? Way to go!

TrochoidMagic

agreed! ^^

OP:i have just about survived whats mentioned above. had numerous wrecks, and also had my car hung on a cliff.

sure i eventually got good at driving fwd's, but it sure wasn't worth it after all those body shop repairs.

accepting consequences??? i did it on a rather secluded canyon (before initialD craze)and my reasons were out of frustration, wrecklessness, and not really caring about my own life at the time. of course you HAD to learn fast. ur racing with ur f*ing life on the line... but it isn't any better place to learn than an autox.

if you want to race, go to an autox event. seriously before u kill urself.
u'll find many people there like yourself just trying to find the safer alternative.
what you don't learn from behind the wheel, will most likely be made up by the wealth of info and support from the people you talk to and meet. and most people you meet are very helpful and mellow.

when u get better from an autox event and have a "spirited" drive at the canyon again, you won't feel like you need to push ur car to the max to prove that you can handle that curve.

TrochoidMagic

*sigh*

we can pretty much count another rx-8 down. wasted...

cause: touge racing damage.

what a waste! why can't they buy some rwd beaters for that?

Angelo se3p

ahahhahahahahahhahahahahahha

this is what happens when you post a thread like this!!!!!!


lets go touge!!!!! yay! HA

BlueRenesis82

Thanks for bumping a 3 month old thread. Did you just find the image search button on google?

Angelo se3p

HELL YEAH I DID!!!!!!!!

ahahahahahah

jessedrifter

iTrader: (4)

plus one saphus

jessedrifter

iTrader: (4)

lets see some more touge heads!!!!!1

tmak26b

Isn't it called WRC when done properly?

gh8st

iTrader: (10)

as long as its in a controlled environment, it's cool.. I love watching professional touge races on youtube and ****. That first video of the supra crashing isn't "touge", it's just reckless driving.