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04-30-2007, 02:10 PM
#52
Originally Posted by eviltwinkie
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Our two piece rotors are built to the same offset and spec of original stock. You can add the aluminum calipers later with full compatibility from our upgrade center:
http://www.racingbrake.com/RX8_4_po.../cpadbp-rx8.htm.
Our two piece rotors are built to the same offset and spec of original stock. You can add the aluminum calipers later with full compatibility from our upgrade center:
http://www.racingbrake.com/RX8_4_po.../cpadbp-rx8.htm.
Originally Posted by eviltwinkie
NOTE: I misspelled my email address and they went the extra mile and tracked me down to the forum and sent me a PM. These guys now have me as a customer for life...talk about service.
04-30-2007, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by eviltwinkie
I question your statement...not just because its so grossly generalized but because it doesnt take much to eat thru the stock pads at all. The HP+ are significantly better than the stockers and withstand more abuse. I am not stepping up to a racepad simply because I have not yet needed to, however I did NEED to step up from the stock pads. So when the time comes I upgrade accordingly. That said, could you please perhaps provide more details or supporting arguments to back up your opinion? Perhaps contribute some personal experience and rational instead of a generalized statement with an invalidated opinion?
I will try one last time to explain this. If you are not using the stock braking system with the HP pads to the point that they are fading then you do not NEED an "upgrade" to something else.
You asked several questions in the first post. I answered them to the best of my knowledge. While the RB kit may offer better weight, I feel that the cost is not justified for your application.
We ARE allowed to run those rotors (RB) on our Koni Challenge RX8's and I am not aware of anyone that is using them. I use Hawk HT14 fronts that are rated at 1600 degrees and without adequate cooling they are marginal.
Again if you like/want the RB's get them.
04-30-2007, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hogcar
That is why I suggested MORE seat time.
04-30-2007, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by hogcar
I will try one last time to explain this. If you are not using the stock braking system with the HP pads to the point that they are fading then you do not NEED an "upgrade" to something else.
You asked several questions in the first post. I answered them to the best of my knowledge. While the RB kit may offer better weight, I feel that the cost is not justified for your application.
We ARE allowed to run those rotors (RB) on our Koni Challenge RX8's and I am not aware of anyone that is using them. I use Hawk HT14 fronts that are rated at 1600 degrees and without adequate cooling they are marginal.
Again if you like/want the RB's get them.
You asked several questions in the first post. I answered them to the best of my knowledge. While the RB kit may offer better weight, I feel that the cost is not justified for your application.
We ARE allowed to run those rotors (RB) on our Koni Challenge RX8's and I am not aware of anyone that is using them. I use Hawk HT14 fronts that are rated at 1600 degrees and without adequate cooling they are marginal.
Again if you like/want the RB's get them.
My reasoning to making further modifications to the system in order of priority was again...
1) Weight
2) Performance
And since I was quite happy with the performance of the 12.6" I asked if the 13" provided anything tangible to make it a compelling upgrade.
The discussion which ensued was good stuff and in the end I think I will simply be going to the 12.6" two-piece rotors to accomplish goal #1 listed above. Goal #2 which is not as high of a priority should be accomplished regardless due to the reduction of weight (very minimal probably).
Cost is always a factor and you are correct in stating the gains vs. the cost would be fairly minimal (bang for buck). I am totally with you there especially considering how hard I am pushing the current system. Hopefully the idea is with the additional seat time I will continue to push and find the limits of the current system.
Thanks for your response. It really helps when you elaborate for others to understand you.
04-30-2007, 04:20 PM
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Sorry ... I thought you were refering to stock *pads* ... which suck on the track. 
I'm sure we all agree on that one. But with a nice set of pads stock braking performance is quite good (if you've tossed all the other weakness of the stock system ... lines, fluid).
I'm sure we all agree on that one. But with a nice set of pads stock braking performance is quite good (if you've tossed all the other weakness of the stock system ... lines, fluid).
04-30-2007, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by eviltwinkie
OHHH I think I understand. You made several assumptions (incorrect ones) and responded accordingly. Perhaps I should have said that YES I am aware of how good the stock system is...and YES I exceeded it fairly quickly hence my upgrades to the current setup.
My reasoning to making further modifications to the system in order of priority was again...
1) Weight
2) Performance
And since I was quite happy with the performance of the 12.6" I asked if the 13" provided anything tangible to make it a compelling upgrade.
The discussion which ensued was good stuff and in the end I think I will simply be going to the 12.6" two-piece rotors to accomplish goal #1 listed above. Goal #2 which is not as high of a priority should be accomplished regardless due to the reduction of weight (very minimal probably).
Cost is always a factor and you are correct in stating the gains vs. the cost would be fairly minimal (bang for buck). I am totally with you there especially considering how hard I am pushing the current system. Hopefully the idea is with the additional seat time I will continue to push and find the limits of the current system.
Thanks for your response. It really helps when you elaborate for others to understand you.
My reasoning to making further modifications to the system in order of priority was again...
1) Weight
2) Performance
And since I was quite happy with the performance of the 12.6" I asked if the 13" provided anything tangible to make it a compelling upgrade.
The discussion which ensued was good stuff and in the end I think I will simply be going to the 12.6" two-piece rotors to accomplish goal #1 listed above. Goal #2 which is not as high of a priority should be accomplished regardless due to the reduction of weight (very minimal probably).
Cost is always a factor and you are correct in stating the gains vs. the cost would be fairly minimal (bang for buck). I am totally with you there especially considering how hard I am pushing the current system. Hopefully the idea is with the additional seat time I will continue to push and find the limits of the current system.
Thanks for your response. It really helps when you elaborate for others to understand you.
04-30-2007, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
I do, and you would too if you actually had some experience with the full package like I have ...
05-01-2007, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by hogcar
I guess All the Koni Challenge teams just aren't that smart. Of course we actually NEED brakes.
You already stated that the Koni Challenge competitors can only change rotors yet you keep trying to judge the entire Racing Brake system based on that one part, I specifically referred to the full kit
I'm not trying to discredit you or any Koni Challenge team, but I have experience with the full system and you don't. So how about giving my direct experience at least an inkling of consideration because without that experience you're only expressing a less than informed opinion.
05-01-2007, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
You already stated that the Koni Challenge competitors can only change rotors yet you keep trying to judge the entire Racing Brake system based on that one part, I specifically referred to the full kit
I'm not trying to discredit you or any Koni Challenge team, but I have experience with the full system and you don't. So how about giving my direct experience at least an inkling of consideration because without that experience you're only expressing a less than informed opinion.
I'm not trying to discredit you or any Koni Challenge team, but I have experience with the full system and you don't. So how about giving my direct experience at least an inkling of consideration because without that experience you're only expressing a less than informed opinion.
and we can find that where?
wow, you amaze me.
you talk from auto x
eviltwinky asks track ?s
hogcar, well lives it..
beers
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05-01-2007, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by swoope
and we can find that where?
wow, you amaze me.
you talk from auto x
eviltwinky asks track ?s
hogcar, well lives it..
beers
wow, you amaze me.
you talk from auto x
eviltwinky asks track ?s
hogcar, well lives it..
beers
Seat time does indeed go a long way...hands down the best "mod" you can do...but it also does help to have good equiptment to work with. One view has experience that the other doesnt...doesnt make either right or wrong as its still ultimately up to YOU as the individual to figure that out yourself and come to your own conclusions.
Last thing we need is a pissing match over opinions...I appreciate the opinions and feedback from everyone. As long as I learn something I'm happy.
Perhaps its all the toast recently....haa haa haa
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05-01-2007, 11:10 AM
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Nicely put Twink. Everyone drives a little differently, we drive different tracks, and we all have slightly different setups. I think the main goal is to be as quick around the track as possible, and have a setup that compliments our driving style. And to have fun doing it of course. 
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I have run both a Racing Brake front brake kit, as well as one put together with Wilwood parts. I still use the Racing brake rear rotors, but I found their front brake kit not as robust as the Wilwood system built around 13" rotors on separate aluminum hats. I had issues with the Racing Brake front calipers under hard, track use. I have not had these issues (? yet) after many, many laps with the Wilwood calipers. I've had two failure issues with the Racing Brake setup. After the last one, I just had the fronts taken off the car and the Wilwood kit put back on.
While I have NOT tried to read through every post in this thread, I see that a lot of the comments have been focused on the front rotor diameter. I'd point out IIRC the Racing brake front rotor is still only a 28mm thick disk. The Wilwood setup uses a far more robust 330mmx32mm rotor. IMO well worth the extra mass.
BTW, anyone else here doing the 2007 OneLap? www.onelapofamerica.com We'll be in South Bend Friday, the 4th with an Rx8 to be ready to start off on Saturday. Between getting there from Denver, and getting back home, looks like we will be putting something like 7,000+ miles on the Rx8 in 9 days or less.
Cheers
While I have NOT tried to read through every post in this thread, I see that a lot of the comments have been focused on the front rotor diameter. I'd point out IIRC the Racing brake front rotor is still only a 28mm thick disk. The Wilwood setup uses a far more robust 330mmx32mm rotor. IMO well worth the extra mass.
BTW, anyone else here doing the 2007 OneLap? www.onelapofamerica.com We'll be in South Bend Friday, the 4th with an Rx8 to be ready to start off on Saturday. Between getting there from Denver, and getting back home, looks like we will be putting something like 7,000+ miles on the Rx8 in 9 days or less.
Cheers
Last edited by mlx8; 05-03-2007 at 02:24 AM.
05-02-2007, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by swoope
and we can find that where?
wow, you amaze me.
you talk from auto x
eviltwinky asks track ?s
hogcar, well lives it..
beers
wow, you amaze me.
you talk from auto x
eviltwinky asks track ?s
hogcar, well lives it..
beers
Knowing me as you do, you amaze me too i.e. you know every well I'm involved in many things not stated or discussed publicly. While I don't specifically track I'm quite involved with people who do. As you well know, I worked quite extensively with RB on the RX-8 application.
Going up to a heavier disc and all that is associated with it would be the next step up from the RB kit, regardless of manufacturer. Wilwood does not have the best reputation though ...
