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Old 12-06-2003, 10:52 AM
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For not liking magazine racing, some people use it quite a bit when talking about the RX-8. I agree with RX8-TX, testing the RX-8 from 45 to 65 in high gear, is like testing reverse on a jet aircraft.

Going from 45 to 65 in the RX-8 is from 5800 RPM to 9000 RPM in second gear, and it happens in about 2 second or less. There is not a car mentioned on this thread (in any gear they select) that will beat an RX-8 (in second gear) from 45 to 65........ This is the fun zone in an RX-8, I do this test 10 times a day.

350z driver, put down your magazine and tell me what gear (or two gears), and what RPM gets you from 45 to 65 the fastest in your car. Nuf Said.

Heres a more precise update, 2nd gear 45 MPH 6100 to 6200 RPM, 65 MPH 8800 RPM in second gear, in approximately 2.5 seconds.

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Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
For not liking magazine racing, some people use it quite a bit when talking about the RX-8. I agree with RX8-TX, testing the RX-8 from 45 to 65 in high gear, is like testing reverse on a jet aircraft.

Going from 45 to 65 in the RX-8 is from 5800 RPM to 9000 RPM in second gear, and it happens in about 2 second or less. There is not a car mentioned on this thread (in any gear they select) that will beat an RX-8 (in second gear) from 45 to 65........ This is the fun zone in an RX-8, I do this test 10 times a day.

350z driver, put down your magazine and tell me what gear (or two gears), and what RPM gets you from 45 to 65 the fastest in your car. Nuf Said.
Wanna race me on a 65 MPH limit highway? :D
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Old 12-06-2003, 02:18 PM
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Ravhappy challenged: "Wanna race me on a 65 MPH limit highway? "

Living on the edge as I do, how about a 55 MPH limit highway, or large church parking lot with speed bumps?
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Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
Ravhappy challenged: "Wanna race me on a 65 MPH limit highway? "

Living on the edge as I do, how about a 55 MPH limit highway, or large church parking lot with speed bumps?
Sure, why not!:D
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Originally posted by RX8-TX
Maybe this is a little bit out of context but, getting from 45-65mph on a passing or merging situation in real traffic and driving normally would be from 3rd~4th gear?? (depending on driving habits), and I can assure you that there is no way in heaven that the acceleration up there is unacceptable or 'sluggish.' Obviously I haven't timed it, and I have no accurate measurement resources. However, if 4.9 seconds is what it takes to accelerate that much on a properly driven RX, it is (again) by no means slow in my book.

Having the 45-65 done on a high gear is like Popeye without his spinach, or in this case: a rotary trying to accelerate from 2K rpms! on a roll w/o a turbo (ha!). You know what I am saying?

Certain cars have particular characteristics. The method might be useful for comparisson purposes, but by no means what they are doing is indicative of high-end performance. Am I making any sense here?
You make very little sense, the purpose of the test is to show torque. Thats all, and yes a car with low torque NEEDS to downshift in that situation.. THATS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE TEST! GET IT? Somebody driving a low torque car would have to downshift to pass or to accelerate hard Vs. say when a car with twice the available torque wouldn't really need to.

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Originally posted by RX8-TX
There is not a car mentioned on this thread (in any gear they select) that will beat an RX-8 (in second gear) from 45 to 65........
That is very funny if you are serious.. Do you think because it feels fast to you going from 45-65 that means that its faster then a 350z or any other car going from 45-65 in best gear? Man, that is the "I know nothing about cars" statement of the week and i'm sure alot of people would agree.

Thanks for the chuckle

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Old 12-06-2003, 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by 350z Driver

That is very funny if you are serious.. Do you think because it feels fast to you going from 45-65 that means that its faster then a 350z or any other car going from 45-65 in best gear? Man, that is the "I know nothing about cars" statement of the week.

Thanks for the chuckle
Enlighten us then. Tell us what the 350z can do in best gear 45-65. The 2.5 sounds right, but I'll try to time it myself. Either way, 350 faster than 8 or 8 faster, the 4.9 reported by CR is still way off. If it's true they test in 6th gear then it's a useless test for me. I never drive 45 in 6th.

Also I found my December 03 issue of CR and the 45-65 time is the same 4.9 listed in the revised list. BTW, so are the 0-60 times and the quarter-mile sec time. I think the corrections refer to the numbers published in the book, not the Dec issue.
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Wow this site is full of people that know nothing about cars, no offense, its just a fact..

How could a car thats runs around 15.0 at 92-93 MPH in the 1/4 be faster at ANY speed then a 14.0 car that traps 100-101 with nearly identical gearing??

Also the 350z has nearly 2 times the torque to the wheels and 50-60 more HP to the wheels then the RX8. I am not going to guess times because thats crazy. The point is the RX8 and the 350z have near identical gearing in those gears.. I can hit 62 in 2nd gear and would have to shift before I hit 65, i'm sure its the same as the RX8 requiring a shift before 65mph.

Its so funny reading stuff from people that know very little about cars, torque, horsepower, gearing, power-to-weight ratios and watching them try to rationalize things based on no facts other then the ones they make up in thier heads. Keep the nonesense coming!

And once again you fail to comprehend the purpose of the 45-65 test, please re-read my last post until you understand, thanks!

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I agree with you 350Z! Your car will win all the time, unless it comes down to a bad driver, or there's other mods involved

Even in the corners, out of the box for each car, the 350Z will do better. Period!

But for a car with 1/2 the torque, the RX8 is not that far behind!!

14.5 is not a bad time, but there is still plenty of room for improvement in our RX8's!
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Originally posted by syntrix
I agree with you 350Z! Your car will win all the time, unless it comes down to a bad driver, or there's other mods involved

Even in the corners, out of the box for each car, the 350Z will do better. Period!

But for a car with 1/2 the torque, the RX8 is not that far behind!!

14.5 is not a bad time, but there is still plenty of room for improvement in our RX8's!

I agree :D Unless the racing course looks like the pic below, then 8 has little bit of advantage. Could someone please end this thread? :D
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in Top gear a post production model RX-8 tied a 350 and an M3 on a track. I dont know why everybody ignored this and looks down upon their own rx-8s. Its better on turns then a 350.
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Old 12-06-2003, 07:00 PM
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I do think that we have move beyond the usefulness of the original topic here.

If we have other comments on legalized racing, let's start a new topic.

I'll leave this sticky, as it's the best time we have seen so far
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Thread closed and Judge Ito's user ID were locked at his request. No rules were broken, we did it out of respect for his wishes. End of topic.
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