davig

That's why many organizations don't allow 4+ point w/o a rollbar

KAtC10

What was the point of this post??

expo1

This thread was about putting in a 4/5-point harness in a stock 8. Doing so without a roll bar/cage is unsafe. Your setup doesn’t have a roll bar and the angles of the shoulder straps are also unsafe. If the person in the photo had a harness they would have greater injuries than if they just used the OEM 3-point. Even people doing Auto-X get into accidents.

KAtC10

And those of us who install these in our cars know the risk we are taking in doing to. Since the design of the 8 prevents the possibility of a harness bar, and the cost of a roll cage is prohibitive to those of us who track/auto-x as a hobby and still use this car as a daily drive, you make it work as best you can. I just don't see the point of coming on and flaming like he did (which from what I can see is about 90% of his posts on this board).

The only option (without adding a full roll cage) for this car is either a harness as I have it (since there is no mounting point higher up other than the baby-seat point, which from what I understand is not supposed to be used for this purpose, as you also posted on a previous page), or no harness at all, which leaves you fighting physics just to stay in your seat. I chose something that keeps me in my seat so I can concentrate on my driving, not on bracing myself in my seat. That's my choice, and I know the risks. No one teching my car for events has found cause to complain thus far, but thank you (expo) for your concern. I take it you have abandoned the idea of a harness in your car by now?

expo1

Yes I abandoned it, but I got as close as making a mock up harness bar out of copper pipe and taking it to a welder. Instead I use a Kirkey seat for trackdays PHOTOThat seat holds me in like velcro.

Paul_in_DC

IMO, a 4-point setup like that for autocross is fine, but I wouldn't use it for the track given the higher speeds. An 8 owner at Summit Point (Mike) has a setup I'd like: racing seats, 5-point harness and a custom harness bar. Given the slim chances of a rollover on an HDPE weekend, I'd accept that risk. (There's no way I'm putting a roll cage in my 8, unless I convert it to "real" racing some day.)

KAtC10

Yeah I plan to invest in a seat (this summer, once I'm done with school and actually making money), and investigate a harness bar option, but for now, this works.

Even the post (http://www.triplezoom.com/news/publi...nter_110.shtml) of the Mazda NR-A car use the same setup for their harness (and they do have a roll cage even):


And before anyone lectures, I still KNOW it's not "safe", but just goes to show that I'm not the only one who makes-do.

visitor

the picture is a toyota tundra who got hit by a crazy motorist on the freeway, causing the vehicle to roll multiple times along with a guard rail to the roof. statistically, rollovers are actually very survivable, assuming your harnessed in somehow, with OEM belts or 4/5 pt. harnesses. the part that will definitely mess you up is where you land like a pancake on your roof.

imagine if your rx8 landed square on the roof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDLNZ...elated&search=
of course the m3 didn't but up until the point of getting launched into the air 15 ft, the situation didn't seem so bad after getting ran off the track, slowing down in a straight line and in control.

do you think your roof can take 3000 lbs coming straight down 15 feet off the ground? well, i suppose at that point it wouldn't matter what kind of restraint you use since you're without a roll cage.

you can justify your use of harnesses to "oh it's my daily driver" "oh i can't afford a roll cage" "oh i'll have more control of my car when i'm properly strapped in ". i'm just saying that while those maybe quite relevant to you, there are situations where such safety equipment can actually do more damage when not used properly. you know, an alternative view, like fox news but actually fair and balanced.

i don't see how this is flame. are you suggesting that whenever someone throws in a different view, it is flame? how do you know i don't consider your responses flame? you trying to get people's neck broken? are you saying it's ok to just hope never to be in that situation cause you assumed the risk? have no money or time to safely setup your car? it kills the practicality of a daily driver or that it's just a hobby? yeah, you're right, i am flaming. i dunno why i even wrote this. i'm just gonna get **** from mp5. but that's ok, cause i've got two words for him, "grounding kit" (jesus christ there are mass smilies too choose from)

KAtC10

The purpose of this post is simply to discuss methods of installing a harness in the RX-8, so I posted pictures showing how I did my own installation, to help anyone else wishing to do the same.

That is all.

devildog1679

And thank you, I've been trying to figure out a way to do this. Your pics are great, need to weigh my options, I do HPDE's so I do reach higher speeds, typically about 115 on the straights. Not sure how dangerous this set up may be, I but I guess its a risk I need to think about. All in all thanks for the great info.

visitor

how fast do you think this guy was going?
http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/324.html

visitor

ooo....how about this one:
http://videos.streetfire.net/hottest...a40048b12b.htm

on oldie:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/c...1400eeede6.htm

#$#!:
http://videos.streetfire.net/hottest...0100dec8ba.htm

i guess anyone can search for rollover on streetfire and get the point.

KAtC10

What an idiot in the bimmer, he just drove straight off the track...

TeamRX8

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don't drive it onto a track unless you're prepared to ball it up

maybe the idiot is the person who doesn't recognize what took place ... life makes idiots of us all, often many times over the years