Lawerence

Warned for having intelligence?
Sorry this guys timing method is a joke.



WTF are you talking about? all I said is that track times are accurate. Your time is not. I said nothing about being stock or modified.

Broker73

yah ok? there have been times sub 15, and low 6s 0-60, but if you seem so bent on posting those numbers then so be it. Maybe a copy and paste would do. I guess actual time slips from RN that were posted must be fake to eh? They did show 14.6ish times, and low 6s 0-60, and yes PRODUCTION CARS. But being how predicable you are, I am sure you will try and tell me those aren't real, or had to be wrong. For a guy that doesn't own the car, you either really luv it and can't stay away from here, or have nothing better to do?

Lawerence

are you talking to me?
I never sad anything bad about the 8, and i never siad it was slow here...

rebelzx

Its tools like this guy that make these threads get out of hand. Now where's that rx7club tool smiley when u need it...

350z Driver

RN worked\works directly with Mazda (which cannot be trusted at all) for those tests and is very obvious to me that RN\Mazda would likely have a benevolent agenda strong enough to “stretch” the truth or flat out mislead and lie to increase sales and quiet the nay sayers, especially since these tests were released during all the HP controversy.

Also many of those slips were fishy and didn’t add up, like the 60' times vs. the 1/4 ETs on each slip varied so greatly they could of been using different cars or swapping parts between runs.. If I remember correctly some of the slips were low 15's (probably the tests with prod units\ECUs) and the ones running mid 14's probably had pre-prod ECUs, thats if they were even from RX8's since the 60's vs. ETs were so fishy.

They should of had a video to back up those runs, but even if they did who’s to say they didn't swap the ECU for the overseas full HP producing units, nobody would have any idea. They would surly have the capability to do so.

Inside reviews\tests are not reliable since its very biased toward increasing reputation and creating a "buzz"

Broker73

well you fell into that one, with your assumptions and theories...haha. Even though there where slips posted. I bet if you took a ride in an 8 that did 14.6 1/4 mile you claim there was a tail-wind:D

Please, do you really expect anyone to believe they faked or fudged those numbers. Keep up the good work. haha:o

350z Driver

The cars, not the numbers were "fudged".. Learn how to read and stop being a dumbass...

Ike

Bleh, those slips were a bit fishy, anyone with a good understanding of drag racing would agree.

Broker73

oh, and did you bother to read the comments on the RED 31 car that was a production that did 14.6 1/4 mile times. Same car that R&T and Car and Driver used for their tests ! Did you hear that!. PRODUCTION CAR. So please stop with your BS and left field theories on some cover-up that is out there. That number matches close to what most mags achieved for their 1/4mile times. But lets face it, .4 - .6 secs difference can be dictated by a number of factors.

But like I said, keep up the good work!:o

Ike

From C&D April 03

"And it did so at an as tested price of 28,300 (an approximation for this pre production car with a mongrel mix of features)."

Doesn't seem like it's a production car to me...

revhappy

There are plenty of people on s2ki.com, evolutionm.net and I presume other boards that have duplicated or improved upon the magazine times. With ~30,000 cars being produced each year, there should be a few that hit the dragstrip?

rebelzx

What slips are you guys talking about? What were the 60' times?

I think what revhappy and other users are trying to say is that with all those RX-8's out there, the NORM should be near or better then mag times, just like every other car. Take the Evo for instance. Most Evos run 13.6 or so with some Evos running as fast as 13.0 stock. There are even a few guys that claim 12's stock. Of course, there are the drivers that are slower, but the NORM is mid 13's. Mag testing got anywhere fom 13.3-13.8. That's what production cars SHOULD do. From the data in this thread, it seems like production RX-8's aren't hitting mag times stock. I haven't seen any evidence to prove otherwise.

On the topic of trap speeds, traps are a very good indication of horsepower. As others have already pointed out, the RX-8 traps in the low 90's. High 14's/low 15's are understandable if the car really is down on power that much. From my brief experience driving it, I don't think its really THAT slow. I guess the real question is, can horsepower be accurately estimated just by looking at trap speeds? Maybe n/a rotaries always trap low?

350z Driver

Exactly, I have entered this arguement many times but the RX8 folks on this site never listen to reason. Also most 350z's are running 13.7x-14.2 right around 100mph right out of the box, mag times were anywhere from 13.9-14.3.

The simple fact is that the RX8 is a low 15's car with high 14's very possible with proper launching and good 60' times.. PEROID. Of course there with be couple running slightly better and a couple running slightly worse - its the nature of engines.

renotse

Ike, please clarify what a "mongrel mix of features" means. I suspect that in your zealous haste to take another cheap shot at the 8 you made a wrong assumption. $28300 is the price of a Sport package 6sp with no other options. Very common configuration. Mazda has 8 available in my area for that exact price. Regardless, list price is no basis to determine production date.


You need post more facts and less conjecture.

See for Yourself

Ike

That was a direct quote from C&D the only time they have reviewed the RX-8. I was simply pointing out it was not a production car, which C&D clearly notes.

luckee2bhere

where can i find this?

luckee2bhere

i just saw 12.9xx in a stock STI at their forums....

350z Driver

I don't doubt that at all.. I have seen Stock Sti's running 13.2 ish at my local drag strip, and i'm sure with perfect conditions and a strong car you could easily squeeze a few more tenths out of it.

O.R.A.

From the Sevenstock forum on this board:

"Okay fresh from Sevenstock.. the RX-8 guys hit Mazda pretty hard with questions on HP.. and when you read between the lines this is what the deal is.

Mazda re-flashed the ECU to fatten the mixture. That seems to be it. They said they did it for a number of reason.. the biggest seems to be that new cars have to have a cat that lasts for 10+ years.. running lean will kill the cat before that so they had to change the map. Then they went into this crap about how hot the cat gets when running lean and starting fires but I don't buy that. It was also hinted that if you get ahold of a J-spec ECU it will plug and play and give you full HP.

The test cars the journalists used were running 100 octaine with the J-spec ECUs. The ECU will give mo powah with higher octaine.. or at least it did before they changed it. The Japanese Renesis guys freaked when they found out that Cali only has 91 octaine and told them to put in 100 for the tests."

THOR

Or this one:

http://www.autocarmagazine.com/RoadT....asp?RT=202089

which has the "228" horsepower RX-8 needing 15.3 seconds to cover a 1/4 mile and 7.1 seconds to get to 60 MPH. As for the 350Z this is also an interesting thread:

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...3&pagenumber=1

Looks like the pre production 350Z's also had a little more go juice under the hood. As did a STI and an Evo that was also tested. That is not unusual for a "press" car and goes a long way to explain how the production RX-8 is slower than the ones tested in the mags.

Thor.

RussellP

pfft that autocarmagazine page listed the RX-8 top speed at 142 when theres about 30 people on this board that have topped that by a long way. That info is all way off. Someone in here has taken in to 159 and on a dyno it goes 170.

O.R.A.

You do understand that on a dyno the car doesn't have to fight against wind resistance, which is a HUGE difference, right?

Car speedometers tend to be optimistic also. Just keep that in mind.

350z Driver

I highly highly doubt anybody hit 159 in an RX8 unless they speedo was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY wayyyyyy off... You are not gonna come close to 160 with under 200 HP to the wheels on a 3000 lb car.. Every production rx8 test I have seen the top speed was 142-148.

And the people that brought up 170 on a dyno, get a clue.

RX8-TX

First, you have some serious attitude problem. Second, learn to quote the right people (I am referring to the Judge Ito thread)

So please, go get a clue (or glue)

PoLaK

iTrader: (1)

Try Road and Track. Stop trolling ur info is false, the cars in the C&D review and R&T review were both production cars for production price (after all why would C&D compare a non production car to 2 other productions).

Road and Track managed the same 1/4 Mile time as C&D from a car 300 pounds heavier. (C&D tested the Sport Pkg model and R&T tested the GT model). I quote the Jan. Issue of C&D, " the RX-8 need 6 to 7 secs to get to 60 depending upon how badly u ABUSE THE CLUTCH". Do you have to drop at 7.5-8 rpms to get a respectable time? YES, but most of us don't do that in real world driving and those that are mature enough to take it to the track have money to spend on new or harder clutches. And its cornering ability is .91 which is considerably higher then the Z (.88) and G35 (.86), which is also more "real world" then the 0-60 scenario.