Fastest RX-8 1/4 mile time?
#76
Originally posted by PoLaK
Chuck not that i doubt you but seeing the video would be kinda kool. I'll Host it for you if you'd like.
BTW Consider urself warned, just keep ur cool:
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Chuck not that i doubt you but seeing the video would be kinda kool. I'll Host it for you if you'd like.
BTW Consider urself warned, just keep ur cool:
Lawerence
renotse
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Sorry this guys timing method is a joke.
Do they check your setup, the fuel your using, and validate stock hardware and software at the track? NO. Do they validate your stock claims? NO. So much for your standardization. Measuring out a 1/4 mile track and starting and stopping a clock are the only standardization performed at a track.
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yah ok? there have been times sub 15, and low 6s 0-60, but if you seem so bent on posting those numbers then so be it. Maybe a copy and paste would do. I guess actual time slips from RN that were posted must be fake to eh? They did show 14.6ish times, and low 6s 0-60, and yes PRODUCTION CARS. But being how predicable you are, I am sure you will try and tell me those aren't real, or had to be wrong. For a guy that doesn't own the car, you either really luv it and can't stay away from here, or have nothing better to do?
#79
Originally posted by khoney
That's the last straw! I'm putting my RX-8 up for sale and getting one of those stunning 350Zs! Quite obviously the 350Z is a superior automobile! Thanks for enlightening me, 350Z Driver!
That's the last straw! I'm putting my RX-8 up for sale and getting one of those stunning 350Zs! Quite obviously the 350Z is a superior automobile! Thanks for enlightening me, 350Z Driver!
#80
Originally posted by Broker73
yah ok? there have been times sub 15, and low 6s 0-60, but if you seem so bent on posting those numbers then so be it. Maybe a copy and paste would do. I guess actual time slips from RN that were posted must be fake to eh?
yah ok? there have been times sub 15, and low 6s 0-60, but if you seem so bent on posting those numbers then so be it. Maybe a copy and paste would do. I guess actual time slips from RN that were posted must be fake to eh?
Also many of those slips were fishy and didn’t add up, like the 60' times vs. the 1/4 ETs on each slip varied so greatly they could of been using different cars or swapping parts between runs.. If I remember correctly some of the slips were low 15's (probably the tests with prod units\ECUs) and the ones running mid 14's probably had pre-prod ECUs, thats if they were even from RX8's since the 60's vs. ETs were so fishy.
They should of had a video to back up those runs, but even if they did who’s to say they didn't swap the ECU for the overseas full HP producing units, nobody would have any idea. They would surly have the capability to do so.
Inside reviews\tests are not reliable since its very biased toward increasing reputation and creating a "buzz"
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well you fell into that one, with your assumptions and theories...haha. Even though there where slips posted. I bet if you took a ride in an 8 that did 14.6 1/4 mile you claim there was a tail-wind:D
Please, do you really expect anyone to believe they faked or fudged those numbers. Keep up the good work. haha:o
Please, do you really expect anyone to believe they faked or fudged those numbers. Keep up the good work. haha:o
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Originally posted by Broker73
Please, do you really expect anyone to believe they faked or fudged those numbers. Keep up the good work. haha:o
Please, do you really expect anyone to believe they faked or fudged those numbers. Keep up the good work. haha:o
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Originally posted by Broker73
well you fell into that one, with your assumptions and theories...haha. Even though there where slips posted. I bet if you took a ride in an 8 that did 14.6 1/4 mile you claim there was a tail-wind:D
Please, do you really expect anyone to believe they faked or fudged those numbers. Keep up the good work. haha:o
well you fell into that one, with your assumptions and theories...haha. Even though there where slips posted. I bet if you took a ride in an 8 that did 14.6 1/4 mile you claim there was a tail-wind:D
Please, do you really expect anyone to believe they faked or fudged those numbers. Keep up the good work. haha:o
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oh, and did you bother to read the comments on the RED 31 car that was a production that did 14.6 1/4 mile times. Same car that R&T and Car and Driver used for their tests ! Did you hear that!. PRODUCTION CAR. So please stop with your BS and left field theories on some cover-up that is out there. That number matches close to what most mags achieved for their 1/4mile times. But lets face it, .4 - .6 secs difference can be dictated by a number of factors.
But like I said, keep up the good work!:o
But like I said, keep up the good work!:o
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Originally posted by Broker73
oh, and did you bother to read the comments on the RED 31 car that was a production that did 14.6 1/4 mile times. Same car that R&T and Car and Driver used for their tests ! Did you hear that!. PRODUCTION CAR. So please stop with your BS and left field theories on some cover-up that is out there. That number matches close to what most mags achieved for their 1/4mile times. But lets face it, .4 - .6 secs difference can be dictated by a number of factors.
But like I said, keep up the good work!:o
oh, and did you bother to read the comments on the RED 31 car that was a production that did 14.6 1/4 mile times. Same car that R&T and Car and Driver used for their tests ! Did you hear that!. PRODUCTION CAR. So please stop with your BS and left field theories on some cover-up that is out there. That number matches close to what most mags achieved for their 1/4mile times. But lets face it, .4 - .6 secs difference can be dictated by a number of factors.
But like I said, keep up the good work!:o
From C&D April 03
"And it did so at an as tested price of 28,300 (an approximation for this pre production car with a mongrel mix of features)."
Doesn't seem like it's a production car to me...
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There are plenty of people on s2ki.com, evolutionm.net and I presume other boards that have duplicated or improved upon the magazine times. With ~30,000 cars being produced each year, there should be a few that hit the dragstrip?
#87
Originally posted by IkeWRX
Bleh, those slips were a bit fishy, anyone with a good understanding of drag racing would agree.
Bleh, those slips were a bit fishy, anyone with a good understanding of drag racing would agree.
Originally posted by revhappy
There are plenty of people on s2ki.com, evolutionm.net and I presume other boards that have duplicated or improved upon the magazine times. With ~30,000 cars being produced each year, there should be a few that hit the dragstrip?
There are plenty of people on s2ki.com, evolutionm.net and I presume other boards that have duplicated or improved upon the magazine times. With ~30,000 cars being produced each year, there should be a few that hit the dragstrip?
On the topic of trap speeds, traps are a very good indication of horsepower. As others have already pointed out, the RX-8 traps in the low 90's. High 14's/low 15's are understandable if the car really is down on power that much. From my brief experience driving it, I don't think its really THAT slow. I guess the real question is, can horsepower be accurately estimated just by looking at trap speeds? Maybe n/a rotaries always trap low?
#88
Originally posted by rebelzx
I think what revhappy and other users are trying to say is that with all those RX-8's out there, the NORM should be near or better then mag times, just like every other car. Take the Evo for instance. Most Evos run 13.6 or so with some Evos running as fast as 13.0 stock. There are even a few guys that claim 12's stock. Of course, there are the drivers that are slower, but the NORM is mid 13's. Mag testing got anywhere fom 13.3-13.8. That's what production cars SHOULD do. From the data in this thread, it seems like production RX-8's aren't hitting mag times stock. I haven't seen any evidence to prove otherwise.
I think what revhappy and other users are trying to say is that with all those RX-8's out there, the NORM should be near or better then mag times, just like every other car. Take the Evo for instance. Most Evos run 13.6 or so with some Evos running as fast as 13.0 stock. There are even a few guys that claim 12's stock. Of course, there are the drivers that are slower, but the NORM is mid 13's. Mag testing got anywhere fom 13.3-13.8. That's what production cars SHOULD do. From the data in this thread, it seems like production RX-8's aren't hitting mag times stock. I haven't seen any evidence to prove otherwise.
The simple fact is that the RX8 is a low 15's car with high 14's very possible with proper launching and good 60' times.. PEROID. Of course there with be couple running slightly better and a couple running slightly worse - its the nature of engines.
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
From C&D April 03
"And it did so at an as tested price of 28,300 (an approximation for this pre production car with a mongrel mix of features)."
Doesn't seem like it's a production car to me...
From C&D April 03
"And it did so at an as tested price of 28,300 (an approximation for this pre production car with a mongrel mix of features)."
Doesn't seem like it's a production car to me...
You need post more facts and less conjecture.
See for Yourself
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Originally posted by renotse
Ike, please clarify what a "mongrel mix of features" means. I suspect that in your zealous haste to take another cheap shot at the 8 you made a wrong assumption. $28300 is the price of a Sport package 6sp with no other options. Very common configuration. Mazda has 8 available in my area for that exact price. Regardless, list price is no basis to determine production date.
You need post more facts and less conjecture.
Ike, please clarify what a "mongrel mix of features" means. I suspect that in your zealous haste to take another cheap shot at the 8 you made a wrong assumption. $28300 is the price of a Sport package 6sp with no other options. Very common configuration. Mazda has 8 available in my area for that exact price. Regardless, list price is no basis to determine production date.
You need post more facts and less conjecture.
That was a direct quote from C&D the only time they have reviewed the RX-8. I was simply pointing out it was not a production car, which C&D clearly notes.
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Originally posted by 350z Driver
Consumer reports just tested the RX8, 350z, Sti and Evo
Sti:
1/4 = 13.4
0-60 = 4.8
Consumer reports just tested the RX8, 350z, Sti and Evo
Sti:
1/4 = 13.4
0-60 = 4.8
#93
Originally posted by luckee2bhere
i just saw 12.9xx in a stock STI at their forums....
i just saw 12.9xx in a stock STI at their forums....
#94
From the Sevenstock forum on this board:
"Okay fresh from Sevenstock.. the RX-8 guys hit Mazda pretty hard with questions on HP.. and when you read between the lines this is what the deal is.
Mazda re-flashed the ECU to fatten the mixture. That seems to be it. They said they did it for a number of reason.. the biggest seems to be that new cars have to have a cat that lasts for 10+ years.. running lean will kill the cat before that so they had to change the map. Then they went into this crap about how hot the cat gets when running lean and starting fires but I don't buy that. It was also hinted that if you get ahold of a J-spec ECU it will plug and play and give you full HP.
The test cars the journalists used were running 100 octaine with the J-spec ECUs. The ECU will give mo powah with higher octaine.. or at least it did before they changed it. The Japanese Renesis guys freaked when they found out that Cali only has 91 octaine and told them to put in 100 for the tests."
"Okay fresh from Sevenstock.. the RX-8 guys hit Mazda pretty hard with questions on HP.. and when you read between the lines this is what the deal is.
Mazda re-flashed the ECU to fatten the mixture. That seems to be it. They said they did it for a number of reason.. the biggest seems to be that new cars have to have a cat that lasts for 10+ years.. running lean will kill the cat before that so they had to change the map. Then they went into this crap about how hot the cat gets when running lean and starting fires but I don't buy that. It was also hinted that if you get ahold of a J-spec ECU it will plug and play and give you full HP.
The test cars the journalists used were running 100 octaine with the J-spec ECUs. The ECU will give mo powah with higher octaine.. or at least it did before they changed it. The Japanese Renesis guys freaked when they found out that Cali only has 91 octaine and told them to put in 100 for the tests."
#95
Originally posted by 350z Driver
No actually I posted the most recent that included a group test of other sports cars.. Regardless I have not seen a sub 15 second 1/4 from any mag becides the pre-prod C&D review.
If I wanted to post the highest I would of posted the moter trend that got a 15.4 :D
No actually I posted the most recent that included a group test of other sports cars.. Regardless I have not seen a sub 15 second 1/4 from any mag becides the pre-prod C&D review.
If I wanted to post the highest I would of posted the moter trend that got a 15.4 :D
http://www.autocarmagazine.com/RoadT....asp?RT=202089
which has the "228" horsepower RX-8 needing 15.3 seconds to cover a 1/4 mile and 7.1 seconds to get to 60 MPH. As for the 350Z this is also an interesting thread:
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...3&pagenumber=1
Looks like the pre production 350Z's also had a little more go juice under the hood. As did a STI and an Evo that was also tested. That is not unusual for a "press" car and goes a long way to explain how the production RX-8 is slower than the ones tested in the mags.
Thor.
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pfft that autocarmagazine page listed the RX-8 top speed at 142 when theres about 30 people on this board that have topped that by a long way. That info is all way off. Someone in here has taken in to 159 and on a dyno it goes 170.
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Originally posted by RussellP
pfft that autocarmagazine page listed the RX-8 top speed at 142 when theres about 30 people on this board that have topped that by a long way. That info is all way off. Someone in here has taken in to 159 and on a dyno it goes 170.
pfft that autocarmagazine page listed the RX-8 top speed at 142 when theres about 30 people on this board that have topped that by a long way. That info is all way off. Someone in here has taken in to 159 and on a dyno it goes 170.
You do understand that on a dyno the car doesn't have to fight against wind resistance, which is a HUGE difference, right?
Car speedometers tend to be optimistic also. Just keep that in mind.
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I highly highly doubt anybody hit 159 in an RX8 unless they speedo was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY wayyyyyy off... You are not gonna come close to 160 with under 200 HP to the wheels on a 3000 lb car.. Every production rx8 test I have seen the top speed was 142-148.
And the people that brought up 170 on a dyno, get a clue.
And the people that brought up 170 on a dyno, get a clue.
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Originally posted by 350z Driver
And the people that brought up 170 on a dyno, get a clue.
And the people that brought up 170 on a dyno, get a clue.
So please, go get a clue (or glue)
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Originally posted by 350z Driver
No actually I posted the most recent that included a group test of other sports cars.. Regardless I have not seen a sub 15 second 1/4 from any mag becides the pre-prod C&D review.
No actually I posted the most recent that included a group test of other sports cars.. Regardless I have not seen a sub 15 second 1/4 from any mag becides the pre-prod C&D review.
Road and Track managed the same 1/4 Mile time as C&D from a car 300 pounds heavier. (C&D tested the Sport Pkg model and R&T tested the GT model). I quote the Jan. Issue of C&D, " the RX-8 need 6 to 7 secs to get to 60 depending upon how badly u ABUSE THE CLUTCH". Do you have to drop at 7.5-8 rpms to get a respectable time? YES, but most of us don't do that in real world driving and those that are mature enough to take it to the track have money to spend on new or harder clutches. And its cornering ability is .91 which is considerably higher then the Z (.88) and G35 (.86), which is also more "real world" then the 0-60 scenario.