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Old 04-27-2008, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Senna
What are you hitting on the straight at TWS in your 8?
I saw anywhere from 122-126 mph on the speedo, but I'm running 255/40-17 tires, which are a bit shorter than stock. Maybe 120-122 actual mph on my best laps?

I was also dragging a rear caliper slightly last weekend, which had an impact on my terminal speed down the straight. I saw the 126 mph during happy hour Friday night, but that speed slowly dropped all weekend.
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Originally Posted by altiain
I saw anywhere from 122-126 mph on the speedo, but I'm running 255/40-17 tires, which are a bit shorter than stock. Maybe 120-122 actual mph on my best laps?

I was also dragging a rear caliper slightly last weekend, which had an impact on my terminal speed down the straight. I saw the 126 mph during happy hour Friday night, but that speed slowly dropped all weekend.
How was threshold breaking? I was surprised that I wasn't much over 98-99 on the Laguna Seca straight. The incline definitely hurts but the HP Plus pads are nice nevertheless.



Oh, and whoever said the Speed 3 was slow is smokin' stuff. I was easily passed by one just before T1 at MRLS and I was flat out from T11 thru just over the crest.

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He should have removed the brake pedal
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Vehicles like the STI or Evo I think are great platforms for drivers who have cut their teeth behind less forgiving platforms such as RWD because the mistakes and issues are more likely to get worked out.

I won't make a blanket statement that all AWD drivers are less talented cause i know there are plenty out there that are capable of handling their cars. Friends who have worked for NASA here in Phoenix often complain about AWD drivers that progress quickly to HPDE 3 or racegroup because the vehicle covers up many of their mistakes. Add a few mods and more power to that and you have yourself a ticking time bomb.

Bottom line is no amount of computer controlled drive aids or stability systems can prevent you from making a serious judgement error. Too bad there wasn't a less destructive way to teach this driver he was in over his head. Then again if there were no consequences people wouldn't learn.
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Originally Posted by altiain
Laguna Seca is on my list of "tracks to drive before I die", though.
You should also try Road America (www.roadamerica.com) I beleive it's the longest road course in the US. 4.04 miles and 14 turns of bliss
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Originally Posted by Senna
How was threshold breaking? I was surprised that I wasn't much over 98-99 on the Laguna Seca straight. The incline definitely hurts but the HP Plus pads are nice nevertheless.
It was never an issue. I wasn't running for times so I tended to to brake a little earlier than I normally would, especially since I was 200 miles from home without a tow vehicle. I think I only got into the ABS once or twice all weekend.
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I made the transition from a Stage II powered WRX (saabaru) Wagon to the RX8.
The only major thing which was a true transitional and educational experience was that of learning to drive the momentum line with the RX8. Turning in much sooner and carrying more speed into the turn-in than I was accustomed to.
Otherwise, the AWD wasn't that much of a crutch. I think that the sophisticated computer controlled driver aid nannies probably have much more of an impact on impairing a driver's education than the AWD itself.
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Originally Posted by devildog1679
You should also try Road America (www.roadamerica.com) I beleive it's the longest road course in the US. 4.04 miles and 14 turns of bliss
close, VIR Grand East course is the longest road course in North America

http://www.mazdadrivers.com/09_track...andeastmap.jpg
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Originally Posted by ZoomZoomH
close, VIR Grand East course is the longest road course in North America

http://www.mazdadrivers.com/09_track...andeastmap.jpg
The site does not mention an east course? http://www.virclub.com/the-track/

Never mind I found that a combination equalls 4.2 miles. You burst my bouble Guess it's time for a road trip

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Originally Posted by devildog1679
The site does not mention an east course? http://www.virclub.com/the-track/

Never mind I found that a combination equalls 4.2 miles. You burst my bouble Guess it's time for a road trip
Road trip?
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Originally Posted by BlueRenesis82
Road trip?
I'm game if you are. We just need to convince our significant others
I responded to your PM

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TWS has eaten alot of cars...and many of them usually are the AWD ones...

I have video of a WRX eating the corner pretty hard which was one car away...

I respect that track...

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Originally Posted by SouthFL
I think that the sophisticated computer controlled driver aid nannies probably have much more of an impact on impairing a driver's education than the AWD itself.
That's an excellent point and I think that was what i was trying to get at with my previous post. The nature of simply having AWD doesn't make the night and day difference as the computer controlled elements that are on board.

I've seen information about the AYC which is one of the main controls to increase cornering speed. If you're not sure what it is, here's a small blurb I found about it.

Active Yaw Control (AYC) is an automobile feature that uses an active differential to transfer torque to the wheels that have the best grip on the road. Unlike traditional mechanical limited slip differentials, an AYC is electronically controlled.[1][2]

AYC was designed by Mitsubishi Motors, first introduced in the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV. It has been included in certain models of every subsequent generation, and was also used in the VR-4 variant of the eighth generation Mitsubishi Galant sedan and Legnum wagon. Later developments led to S-AYC (Super-Active Yaw Control), first introduced on the Evolution VIII, utilizing a planetary gearset which could support an even greater torque bias than the previous system.[3][4] AYC and S-AYC have also been seen in several Mitsubishi concept cars based on the underpinnings of the Lancer Evo, such as the CZ3 Tarmac and Tarmac Spyder, the Montero Evolution, the RPM 7000, and the Concept-X.[5]

Active yaw control is based on a computer-controlled rear differential which can actively split torque based on input from various accelerometers in the vehicle measuring longitudinal and lateral g forces, steering, brakes and throttle position.[2] Where ABS brakes are fitted they too are included in the input parameters. It accomplishes this via two hydraulic clutches which can limit torque on individual axles. This system should not be confused with stability control systems which utilize the braking system of a vehicle by individually braking certain wheels to rotate and slow the car (such as Electronic Brakeforce Distribution). AYC is a performance-oriented system which aims to increase cornering speeds.
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It all comes down to, when you make something more idiot-proof, the universe makes a better idiot. Except in this case the idiot is going 100mph and hopefully killing only himself..
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