rotarygod

Similar to that except they don't have an apu of any knid and are only relying on their huge battery bank. It's a start though.

capncrunch

Well if they do release a new rx8 for 2007 (and hopefully toward the end of next year when I'm looking to trade) with more power, I will most likely buy another. Particularly if it's up around the 200kw mark because, IMHO, that's about all that's needed (more would be nice, of course ). I'm sure most people on here would be the same. It would also be great if this power increase still came without a turbo - what an awesome engineering achievement!

Thanks for the heads up ASH8. I'll have to remember to go and pick up a copy later this month (unless it's out already?!).

ASH8

Its out in the shops already, mate.
Its only a small word on the subject, I doubt you will see a turbo...ever...as they have the usual fuel consumption and emission regulation problems.
The EU countries require a higher emission standard, every few years!, killing a OEM turbo rotary.

hedgecore

EU has a higher standard? Not really...their turbo market dwarves ours...and they have many more emissions spewing NA cars than we do too.

brillo

Didn't we already disprove this idea? I thought this thread was dead.

Brice-RX8

Please some explain to me why this doesn't make sense.

Why not us thinner rotors (I am guessing that of a 10A motor) like Rotarygod said and put 3 of them in a motor. I would think that motor would spin like crazy, be smoother, and produce a nice amount of power. Of course use all the new technology in the motor as well. Does that not sound the most obvious way to go?

Aseras

a diesel 13b (super high compression) would probably make more sense with less oil needing to be injected, MUCH more torque, marginally better gas mileage...

Aseras

electric anything is > * for 0-60 and quick acceleration. there's EV's out there now that can do 1/4 mile time in sub 9's... electric has 100% maximum torque @ 0 rpm..

carbonRX8

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Did you look at the battery? It was for a cell phone.

rotarygod

I have no desire to go race a Prius now!

Just to play devil's advocate since someone has to, yes electirc cars can be neck snapping fast. They can also be pathetically slow like every hybrid we currently have available. Gasoline engines can also be the same way. Still waiting to see John Force drag race an electric!

Aseras

yeah i know... FWIW you know the prius uses 228 1.2v c cells and civic/insight use 120 d cell batteries right?

NAVILESRX8

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My God....you people are depressing.....

Nobody cares about fun? Or is geeky electric super cars what people really want?

I hate half the electronics in cars nowadays, electronic this, smart that....geeezuuussss......

Batteries and all this extra garbage just water down the driving experience. I love old school cars...so simple and pure.

I used to like BMW's....until they actived everything....active steering, crazy electronic brakes....stupid. More complexity and weight to such a simple thing like steering...In normal cars you turn the friggin wheel, a mechanical coupling transfers the rotation to the wheels..simple...now they have to add a bunch of sensors, motors, actutors to guess how much I would like the front wheels to turn....wtf?
Same goes for AWD, Semi automatic trannies, and DSC/TCS/ and all those fuggin acronyms I can do without.

So much bullshit nowadays...

ASH8

I should have clarified this to Factory installed turbos for "Rotary" engines, which have much higher emissions to regulate/control.

ASH8

LOL...
I agree somewhat...too much electro gizmos, spoil the driving experience, at least with the 8 you can switch most off.
Thats why the MX-5 (sorry Miata) has been so popular in the UK,Aus,US many owners there are gentlemen(UK) over 45 who recall the MG days with simple drivetrains/layouts...and fun/skill.
Probably why the MX-5 has outsold/defeated ALL those who have tried to copy its success.

carbonRX8

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which unless I have a really long extention, I have to carry around, right? Plus the electric motor to use them. Then, because we all know the prius and the insight are slow (except the one I saw at sema that is set up for the land speed record, but doesnt have an electric motor) I need a motor designed for more amps and more batteries to hold 'em.... oh I give up....

carbonRX8

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Yeah, Give me a car that is DESIGNED on a computer, but leave the (intrusive) computer at the factory. The result should be Pure Automobile. It can have a DSC and an fly-by-wire throttle, just dont let me FEEL the computer every time I make a hard corner. I have driven a prius. It feels like you are driving a computer (a really crappy handling computer.) When the electric motor kicks in, it feels...slimey. Like kissing your sister, or ratting on a friend, or rubbing a short-haired dog the wrong way. Its just wrong, man. Hell, maybe if it snapped your head back (which I mentioned earlier) I could be ok with it, but it is a slug.

Wow, I didnt even know I was holding that in...

JeRKy 8 Owner

If they put this 15B into a 2 seater RX7-like coupe that'd be scary. Pair it with a convertible and/or targa top option and cha-ching cha-ching.

Rotary Rasp

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I was called by a focus group last week. They had a car there almost exactly like that, no name on it, they wanted to know what I thought of it.

The car they had there was a full size clay model. And a mock up interior made of plywood and plastic. It had an rx8 gauge cluster and pedals, and a mx5 e-brake. One of the questions was "who do you think makes this car."

carbonRX8

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What about more lobes on the rotor? (Flame suit ON. Duck and Cover) I have a tiny water pump that you hook to a hose and run with an electric hand drill that has five lobes running in a six-pointed chamber. Works really well. Why not in a car?

As for the high compression rotory diesel mentioned above, isnt there physical issues with achiving compresson ratios of 14 or 15 in a rotory? Cold start issues? predetonation issues? Just asking.

rotarygod

The problem with higher compression in a rotary is that the rotor dish gets too small and you have a harder time getting good flame front travel and good ignition. We already see this to a small extent in the Renesis vs the 13B engines. You can potentially have cold start issues with diesel in the rotary. Some who have converted rotaries to diesel have reported this in some situations. The people who have used diesel successfully in a rotary have typically not raised the compression ratio.

carbonRX8

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Interesting, thanks. Did they just use plugs to fire off the diesel?

I was kinda hoping you were going to comment on my multiple lobes question.

Sephiroth

Sounds just like me when i was justifying buying my FC. DSC? TCS? ABS? What the hell are those anyway? The most advanced feature on the FC was the auto adjusting suspension, which is long dead in my car. Old school RX-7s kick ***!

tuj

Because water is different than air. In a combustion engine, sealing and compression are more important than the inerital effects of a water pump.

tuj

Cost. Add a multi-piece e-shaft, new center housing, 2 more spark plugs/coils, 3 more injectors, new headers, new intake design, extra rotor, 3 more apex seals to clearance, harder to assemble, etc.

But I agree it would rock.

rotarygod

And it still makes more sense than a 2 rotor 1.5