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Rotary Xperiment 12-11-2007 08:11 PM

Mazda Furai Concept and New Mazda RX-8 to Make World Debut at 2008 North American Int
 
I guess this settles it. A "heavily revised", i.e. major facelift is definitely on the way. Hooorayyy!!

From media.mazda.com


Mazda Furai Concept and New Mazda RX-8 to Make World Debut at 2008 North American International Auto Show

HIROSHIMA, Japan, December 12, 2007—Mazda Motor Corporation will showcase the world premieres of the Mazda Furai concept vehicle and the heavily revised new Mazda RX-8 sports car at the 2008 North American International Auto Show (NAIAS), to be held in Detroit from Sunday, January 13 through Sunday, January 27, 2008. On the heels of its show-stopping debut at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show in October, the Mazda Taiki concept vehicle also will make its North American debut, the first time it has been shown outside Japan. Additionally, Mazda will have a special display of racecars on its stand during the press days, and the full lineup of production cars for consumers to sample on the public days.



All attending media are invited to the company’s formal unveiling on the Mazda show stand, scheduled at 13:45 p.m. on Monday, January 14, 2008.




[Mazda Furai, an eco-friendly, super performance concept car]



Mazda Furai –‘Sound of the wind’

Inspired by the fact that, on any given weekend, there are more Mazdas and Mazda-powered cars road-raced in the United States than any other brand, the Mazda Furai is the sort of car that could only come from a company that incorporates the “Soul of a Sports Car” into everything it builds, but with an eye toward the future and the environment through the use of ethanol (E100) produced by British Petroleum (BP).

Furai takes Mazda’s unique Nagare (Japanese for “flow”) design language a step further as it is translated into a concept car based on an American Le Mans Series (ALMS) racing car. The car utilizes the Courage C65 chassis the company campaigned in the ALMS series only two seasons ago, and the 450-hp three-rotor rotary engine that distinguishes it from anything else on the track.

Says Franz von Holzhausen, Mazda’s North American director of design, “Furai purposely blurs boundaries that have traditionally distinguished street cars from track cars. Historically, there has been a gap between single-purpose racecars and street-legal models — commonly called supercars — that emulate the real racers on the road. Furai bridges that gap like no car has ever done before.”

Mazda’s critically acclaimed Nagare design language describes the flow of water, air, people or things moving in one direction. Mazda Nagare is flow, with an insightful and spirited styling, which, in Mazda Furai, invokes a raw, unfettered desire to possess everything this car represents.



Major Exhibits on stand

Reference exhibits Concept vehicles Mazda Furai (World Premiere)
Mazda Taiki (North American Premiere)
Mazda5 Hydrogen RE Hybrid (North American Premiere)
Scheduled for sale New Mazda RX-8 (World Premiere)
Technical exhibits MZI3.7 V6 engine cutaway model
RENESIS engine cutaway model
Next Generation I-4 Direct Injection gasoline engine cutaway model
Next Generation Clean Diesel engine cutaway model
Next Generation RENESIS (Rotary Engine 16X) engine cutaway model
Models currently on the market Mazda CX-7, Mazda CX-9, Mazda MX-5 PRHT, Mazda6, Mazda3, Mazdaspeed3, Mazda5, Mazda Tribute


Furai Video on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEOHn7rspsk

dillsrotary 12-11-2007 08:24 PM

nice, hope it makes it to philly show as well.

Renesis_8 12-11-2007 08:26 PM

https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discussion-3/3-rotor-rx8-rear-engine-track-today-132779/

this guy might have the pictures of the concept.

This is a mid-engine mazda concept that "connects the street to the track", are they seriously hinting at the next RX-supercar?

Furai takes Mazda?s unique Nagare (Japanese for ?flow?) design language a step further as it is translated into a concept car based on an American Le Mans Series (ALMS) racing car. The car utilizes the Courage C65 chassis the company campaigned in the ALMS series only two seasons ago, and the 450-hp three-rotor rotary engine that distinguishes it from anything else on the track.
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Renesis_8 12-11-2007 08:33 PM

OMG!!! teaser pic.,

http://images.motortrend.com/future/...ept+teaser.jpg
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User24 12-11-2007 08:34 PM

Is this for real? I've read many times on here why people think Mazda should not or would never consider making a supercar. Most recently in the discussion about "Skyxxxx". They made convincing arguments, often backed with historical "proofs" and I really had no reason to doubt their facts and predictions.

It would be quite amusing if all those making obvious jokes about "...I heard...Mazda 3-rotor..." turned out to be right one day.

Most likely these "press releases" are a hoax.

Renesis_8 12-11-2007 08:48 PM

its on mazda's press release page dude
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j_tso 12-11-2007 08:53 PM

LOL, "Mazda Furai, an eco-friendly, super performance concept car"

Where's Rotarygod? See, HG-RE has power potential!

User24 12-11-2007 08:55 PM

Ok, I interpret their crossover supercar as "not quite track car, not quite supercar, and just possibly +2 suicide doors".

Just as the RX8 was released as "not quite 2 seater, not quite sedan; not quite fast, yet not quite slow either".

And their new crossover mini-suv being "not quite a Jeep, but not as useful as a real car either".

Renesis_8 12-11-2007 08:56 PM

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6268
http://www.motortrend.com/future/con...pt_first_look/

MT and RT articles surfaced right after the release by Mazda.
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ZoomZoomH 12-11-2007 08:57 PM

no this is very real, i got the same press release email directly from Mazda as well

making a street car out of an ALMS racecar chassis? whodathunkit lol

Renesis_8 12-11-2007 09:00 PM

It'll be cool if they fire up the 3-rotor indoor at detriot!!! as said by another guy who saw this car, they were driving reporters around Laguna Seca, so its definitely a working car.
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j_tso 12-11-2007 09:06 PM

Hate to be a pessimist, but I think this is going to be like Nissan's Mid4 concept. It worked, journalists loved it, but in the end they said "naaaah". In this case I think Ford will $%&* it up. Hell, i blame them for everything else.

bruce_van 12-11-2007 09:17 PM

That teaser pic is pretty cool. I love the flat black paint job and those slits on the fender look great.

Man, I'm really feelin' the new Mazda design direction. They're definitely doing the most interesting stuff coming out of Japan. Can you believe the a Japanese car company is finally making innovative designs and not copying the Europeans?

I can't wait to see the Furai.

My nephews who will be hold enough to drive in the next year are already thinking about what cars they want to get and Mazda has an edge over most of the Japanese imports....the guys over at Mazda are doing an outstanding job.

Renesis_8 12-11-2007 09:20 PM

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/11/m...ut-at-detroit/


Additionally, Mazda will have a special display of racecars on its stand during the press days, and the full lineup of production cars for consumers to sample for public days.

I might have to go to this autoshow.
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Conundrum 12-11-2007 09:36 PM

ah... ... Jan. 14, '08.... Another whole month to go... I hate waiting....

tjbourgoyne 12-11-2007 09:41 PM

Pic shows roughly 45% of the car and you still can't tell what the heck is going on. I blew up the fender and it has stickers all over it and the red pod on the roof looks like a big lent brush.

BigRed 12-11-2007 09:52 PM

this looks promising...very exciting!

Mikeluvs8 12-11-2007 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by Renesis_8 (Post 2184782)

cant wait to see the whole thing..

refugeefrompistons 12-11-2007 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by j_tso (Post 2184831)
LOL, "Mazda Furai, an eco-friendly, super performance concept car"

Where's Rotarygod? See, HG-RE has power potential!

Eco friendly my ass. If it as a rotary, I want it to spew out emissions the way i know and love.

rotarygod 12-11-2007 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by j_tso (Post 2184831)
LOL, "Mazda Furai, an eco-friendly, super performance concept car"

Where's Rotarygod? See, HG-RE has power potential!

OK just to clear some things up about this, a few of us saw this actual engine this year at SSX. It was at Racing Beat on the engine dyno. This car runs on 100% ethanol. No hydrogen! It has no power potential. Now don't get too excited about a 3 rotor Renesis. It's not one. It's the 3 rotor peripheral port race engine the Courage has been using. It's just really chromed up, painted and pretty now. Nothing new to see in the way of engine technology. RB actually tried to convince Mazda to let them turbocharge the 3 rotor just to have fun but they didn't. I can only imagine how crazy the rumors would get if it had a turbo 3 rotor!

This is not a new concept car. It's a promotional vehicle. This car will be run at the track but only from a PR perspective. You will not see a production supercar based off of it and you also won't see a new race car based off of it either. It's a promo item that goes around track to track. That's it.

This is the actual Courage that was raced for a few years. It's the same chassis and rebuilt engine. They have just custom built a new body around it. It should be neat looking but don't get your hopes up fantasizing about something it'll never be.

mac11 12-11-2007 10:15 PM

This looks amazing. Can't want to get some more details on it.


Originally Posted by j_tso (Post 2184860)
Hate to be a pessimist, but I think this is going to be like Nissan's Mid4 concept. It worked, journalists loved it, but in the end they said "naaaah". In this case I think Ford will $%&* it up. Hell, i blame them for everything else.



Seeing how Mazda is Ford's only holding operating in the black Ford probably doesn't get to say too much about what goes on there. Thank god.

BigRed 12-11-2007 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by rotarygod (Post 2185021)
OK just to clear some things up about this, a few of us saw this actual engine this year at SSX. It was at Racing Beat on the engine dyno. This car runs on 100% ethanol. No hydrogen! It has no power potential. Now don't get too excited about a 3 rotor Renesis. It's not one. It's the 3 rotor peripheral port race engine the Courage has been using. It's just really chromed up, painted and pretty now. Nothing new to see in the way of engine technology. RB actually tried to convince Mazda to let them turbocharge the 3 rotor just to have fun but they didn't. I can only imagine how crazy the rumors would get if it had a turbo 3 rotor!

This is not a new concept car. It's a promotional vehicle. This car will be run at the track but only from a PR perspective. You will not see a production supercar based off of it and you also won't see a new race car based off of it either. It's a promo item that goes around track to track. That's it.

This is the actual Courage that was raced for a few years. It's the same chassis and rebuilt engine. They have just custom built a new body around it. It should be neat looking but don't get your hopes up fantasizing about something it'll never be.

uhhhh... you ruined my day

staticlag 12-11-2007 10:25 PM

damn it, i just wish I knew more about the new rx8!!!!

Renesis_8 12-11-2007 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by BigRed (Post 2185041)
uhhhh... you ruined my day

i'm getting the same feeling.

But yet I am still happy that Mazda is crazy enough to do this to an old race car.
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tajabaho1 12-11-2007 10:36 PM

heavily revised rx8?

I sense at least 3 new colors new grills and possibly what we've all been hoping for, climate control

Neo 12-11-2007 11:19 PM

Man, you guys don't skip a beat!!
I just read it on Autoblog.
I can't wait for the Detroit show.

Alex_ 12-12-2007 01:57 AM


Originally Posted by refugeefrompistons (Post 2185008)
Eco friendly my ass. If it as a rotary, I want it to spew out emissions the way i know and love.

:owned:

altspace 12-12-2007 06:04 AM

I'll post the high res press photos.

altspace 12-12-2007 06:27 AM

http://www.altspace.com/auto/furai/Mazda_Furai_PR.jpg

Easy_E1 12-12-2007 06:28 AM

I can has phantasy?

Spin9k 12-12-2007 06:42 AM

Thanks Mazda... finally... blood pressure going down.... pulse rate going up!

ALP22 12-12-2007 07:58 AM

'09 RX8 news
 
Not much, but at least there will BE an '09 model year!

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/11/m...ut-at-detroit/

SideOfBacon 12-12-2007 08:21 AM

theres already snapshots out of 2010 models... they are around this board somewhere. my guess is with '10 models, obviously '09 models will exist.

RojoOcho 12-12-2007 08:48 AM

I hope its a brand new RX-8. I don't want it to just be a better version of my car... It'd hurt my morale. LOL.

swiftboy 12-12-2007 09:07 AM

'Heavily revised RX8' = more than just additional colours and cosmestic changes?

The better do something to the rotary engine.

I hope! And i'm preparing the cheque book already.

1 more month!!! Excited to see the new 8.

Apostle 12-12-2007 09:10 AM

Ya know, who cares?!?! :icon_bs:

Getting real tired of Mazda comming out with concept after concept and doing absolutely nothing with them.

ford concept - Mustang. Came out in 05 with it
chevy concept - camero - comes out next year
dodge concept - charger - comes out next year
toyota - matrix - 2009

mazda concept - Senku, nagare, taiki, kabura, ryuga - absolutely nothing

anyone can make a shell and say its a concept, but do something with all these things already.

/end rant

rotarygod 12-12-2007 09:46 AM

This is not a next generation RX-8. It is a facelift of the current car. Different front end and other changes such as updated oil metering system. Traditionally Mazda has facelifted each rotary car for the last 2 years of their life. This should be no different. Don't expect to see a next generation, if at all, for at least another 2-3 years.

tjbourgoyne 12-12-2007 09:51 AM

Apostle you left out the Sassou and Hakaze. That makes 8 fake cars. Meanwhile they upgrade the 8 like a Russian Soyuz rocket.

zoom44 12-12-2007 09:59 AM

i love the concepts- you have to always be looking down the road to where you want your company to be. they have found that direction thru this process and are starting to implement the design changes.

the head of design says these new design themes will make it to production starting with the 2009 mazda3. think of that. these next couple of cars- facelift rx-8 and new mazda6- are the END of this styling cycle. a new era is just aroudn the corner.

Noble Wolf 12-12-2007 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by rotarygod (Post 2185638)
This is not a next generation RX-8. It is a facelift of the current car. Different front end and other changes such as updated oil metering system. Traditionally Mazda has facelifted each rotary car for the last 2 years of their life. This should be no different. Don't expect to see a next generation, if at all, for at least another 2-3 years.

Do you have anymore info on this? I still wonder why a car like 8 should miss this. I don't mind the dipstick, but RX8 could have a better reputation and those people that don't care checking the oil may avoid harming their motors.

zoom44 12-12-2007 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by Renesis_8 (Post 2184837)

i want mor epictures- break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo




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Gambit 12-12-2007 10:07 AM

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/c...ar-at-detroit/

another article, mentions the 8 might have a "more powerful rotary engine"

zoom44 12-12-2007 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by rotarygod (Post 2185021)
OK just to clear some things up about this, a few of us saw this actual engine this year at SSX. It was at Racing Beat on the engine dyno. This car runs on 100% ethanol. No hydrogen! It has no power potential. Now don't get too excited about a 3 rotor Renesis. It's not one. It's the 3 rotor peripheral port race engine the Courage has been using. It's just really chromed up, painted and pretty now.

snip

but don't get your hopes up fantasizing about something it'll never be.

gawd i hate leaving early and missing these things. so this is what jim had on the dyno with the motec guy?

no power? they are sayign 450 on ethanol. that seems like enough:)

and let them all hope and fantasize- its better than the hate and discontent from the likes of user24 - always disappointed

Gambit 12-12-2007 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by j_tso (Post 2184831)
LOL, "Mazda Furai, an eco-friendly, super performance concept car"

Where's Rotarygod? See, HG-RE has power potential!

the mototrend article says ethanol

zoom44 12-12-2007 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by Noble Wolf (Post 2185661)
Do you have anymore info on this?.

no he doesnt. we are not allowed- glares at fred :balls: - we shouldnt discuss that yet

GLARE AT FRED

chiketkd 12-12-2007 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Renesis_8 (Post 2184767)
The car utilizes the Courage C65 chassis the company campaigned in the ALMS series only two seasons ago, and the 450-hp three-rotor rotary engine that distinguishes it from anything else on the track.

Damn...that's HOT!!! :SHOCKED:


Originally Posted by Renesis_8 (Post 2184782)

Sweet mercy! Competitor to the Audi R8 maybe??? :naughty:

zoom44 12-12-2007 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 2185668)
i want mor epictures- break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo break the embargo




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Renesis_8 12-12-2007 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by chiketkd (Post 2185712)
Damn...that's HOT!!! :SHOCKED:


Sweet mercy! Competitor to the Audi R8 maybe??? :naughty:

This car laps around the track faster than a F430 challenge. haha, well before all the weight put on by the new body, etc.
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Ajax 12-12-2007 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 2185690)
no he doesnt. we are not allowed- glares at fred :balls: - we shouldnt discuss that yet

GLARE AT FRED

Ugh.. you guys suck!

Design1stCode2nd 12-12-2007 10:57 AM

I'd have to agree with RG the 3 rotar is just a promo machine. The revised 8 will have a new front end and some cosmetic tweaks to the interior/exterior. That is all fine and dandy but what people want is a more powerful or lighter RX8. Even after 4 years the RX8 is still an attractive car. design can always be improved but the only thing that needs improvemnet on the 8 is what is under the hood.

While I'll be curious to see the redesign I won't expect it to increase sales much if at all.


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