Zoom Zoom... Not.. RX-8 spotted at 1/4 strip
08-15-2003, 10:55 AM
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BRx8: Problem is, you need to limit yourself to a single culture's standard for that mythical beast. Elfs and troll's can be either huge or small. Gnomes and dwarves are almost always small, but sometimes they are fierce feared warriors', other times they are jokes.
08-15-2003, 10:57 AM
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You're "schtick" is wearing pretty thin.
The same comparo you're talking about also goes on to state that they'd still take the RX8 over the 350 platform.
As an old street racer once told me...."no matter how much money you have, you'll always find someone with more....no matter how fast your car is, you'll always find someone who has one that's faster.....no matter now much of a "bad ***" you are, you'll always run into someone that's "badder"...."
If you are to be believed (which I have reservations in doing), you are in your mid 20s. Apparently, you haven't been around much. The worst that can happen to you in here is you'll get your feelings hurt.
Others, on the street or at the track, may not be nearly as forgiving.
One last time....we compared the 350Z to the RX8 and bought the RX8....'nuff said!
You like your 350Z (if you really have one). So be it. We see things differently. Let it go at that.
The same comparo you're talking about also goes on to state that they'd still take the RX8 over the 350 platform.
As an old street racer once told me...."no matter how much money you have, you'll always find someone with more....no matter how fast your car is, you'll always find someone who has one that's faster.....no matter now much of a "bad ***" you are, you'll always run into someone that's "badder"...."
If you are to be believed (which I have reservations in doing), you are in your mid 20s. Apparently, you haven't been around much. The worst that can happen to you in here is you'll get your feelings hurt.
Others, on the street or at the track, may not be nearly as forgiving.
One last time....we compared the 350Z to the RX8 and bought the RX8....'nuff said!
You like your 350Z (if you really have one). So be it. We see things differently. Let it go at that.
08-15-2003, 10:58 AM
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Hey Z man, The majority of RX8 owners on this site had ample time to test drive a 350Z, and from posts I've read the majority did in fact drive a 350Z. So therefore we had the opportunity to choose either one, and many like me who drove both, chose the 8. I used to own a Z, many members of my family have owned Z's which I have driven, and that thing at your local Nissan dealer ain't no Z. Just like the RX8 is not an RX7, but Mazda had the respect of their RX7 legacy to leave it alone and build and name another car, which many feel will build an equal legacy of its own. No where did I ever see Mazda represent or compare the RX8 to be an RX7. Nissan should have respected the Z legacy and left it alone, and produce the 350Z (not) as a new and special car on its own. Nissan always implied that they were bringing back the Z again, showing pictures of past generations of popular Z's. This is in fact not what they delivered. The old Z's were cutting edge, not cookie cutter. I spend more time trying to figure out if a car is a Z, or just one of the many look alikes (I don't know who copied who). You did not have that problem with the old (one and only) Z's, and you don't have that problem with the RX8. The original Z was the alternative to raw straight line power of the muscle car era, now its an uninovative also ran. In both cases the old saying still hold true. If you can't beat'em, join'em. Nissan has done a very good job of fitting in. Congrats. Enjoy your car named Z.
08-15-2003, 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by RX8-U-UP
Hey Z man, The majority of RX8 owners on this site had ample time to test drive a 350Z, and from posts I've read the majority did in fact drive a 350Z. So therefore we had the opportunity to choose either one, and many like me who drove both, chose the 8. I used to own a Z, many members of my family have owned Z's which I have driven, and that thing at your local Nissan dealer ain't no Z. Just like the RX8 is not an RX7, but Mazda had the respect of their RX7 legacy to leave it alone and build and name another car, which many feel will build an equal legacy of its own. No where did I ever see Mazda represent or compare the RX8 to be an RX7. Nissan should have respected the Z legacy and left it alone, and produce the 350Z (not) as a new and special car on its own. Nissan always implied that they were bringing back the Z again, showing pictures of past generations of popular Z's. This is in fact not what they delivered. The old Z's were cutting edge, not cookie cutter. I spend more time trying to figure out if a car is a Z, or just one of the many look alikes (I don't know who copied who). You did not have that problem with the old (one and only) Z's, and you don't have that problem with the RX8. The original Z was the alternative to raw straight line power of the muscle car era, now its an uninovative also ran. In both cases the old saying still hold true. If you can't beat'em, join'em. Nissan has done a very good job of fitting in. Congrats. Enjoy your car named Z.
Hey Z man, The majority of RX8 owners on this site had ample time to test drive a 350Z, and from posts I've read the majority did in fact drive a 350Z. So therefore we had the opportunity to choose either one, and many like me who drove both, chose the 8. I used to own a Z, many members of my family have owned Z's which I have driven, and that thing at your local Nissan dealer ain't no Z. Just like the RX8 is not an RX7, but Mazda had the respect of their RX7 legacy to leave it alone and build and name another car, which many feel will build an equal legacy of its own. No where did I ever see Mazda represent or compare the RX8 to be an RX7. Nissan should have respected the Z legacy and left it alone, and produce the 350Z (not) as a new and special car on its own. Nissan always implied that they were bringing back the Z again, showing pictures of past generations of popular Z's. This is in fact not what they delivered. The old Z's were cutting edge, not cookie cutter. I spend more time trying to figure out if a car is a Z, or just one of the many look alikes (I don't know who copied who). You did not have that problem with the old (one and only) Z's, and you don't have that problem with the RX8. The original Z was the alternative to raw straight line power of the muscle car era, now its an uninovative also ran. In both cases the old saying still hold true. If you can't beat'em, join'em. Nissan has done a very good job of fitting in. Congrats. Enjoy your car named Z.
08-15-2003, 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Blue 350z
Not to kill your fun or anything but all that troll, orc etc talk is extreemly dorky
Not to kill your fun or anything but all that troll, orc etc talk is extreemly dorky
and yes, i've driven a 350Z...in fact i love them...i have a big poster up in my cubicle at work...i love all the new Nissan's and Infinit's especially the FX45...i bought an RX-8 because of the innovations - the first 4 door, 4 seat rotary powered sports car...i took the plunge and preordered without even sitting in one let alone test driving one...
the 350Z i sat in, drove, researched etc. a year ago and it just didn't do it for me...it's a great car but that's just it, it's a normal car...there's almost nothing innovative about it...why should i trade in my 3000GT for the 350Z? at most i'd lose 2 seats...
the RX-8 was my choice because it suited me better than the 350Z...and as you can see, many people feel the same and there are many that will adamantly stand by their decision in a much harsher tone than the one you're reading right now...so why can't we just leave it at that? you're car is great, it truly is and i'm happy that you like it...but i'm also happy with mine and there's nothing you can possibly say to me that will change that...NOTHING AT ALL...so basically you're wasting your time here...
good day
08-15-2003, 11:33 AM
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What exactly is so innovative about the rx8? Is it the Saturn style doors? Is it the so incredible rotary engine? All a rotary engine is to me is a VTec that gets bad gas mileage.
I have tire pressure sensors in my car, Alum suspension and driveshaft, build in stopwatch and an indrediblly efficent and powerful variable intake engine thats all alum and it goes on..
Not trying to be a punk but what is SO innovative with the RX8, just want to know
I have tire pressure sensors in my car, Alum suspension and driveshaft, build in stopwatch and an indrediblly efficent and powerful variable intake engine thats all alum and it goes on..
Not trying to be a punk but what is SO innovative with the RX8, just want to know
08-15-2003, 11:38 AM
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I smell something
Well 350z blue boy....looking at your time slips, the only thing that shows a run with the same car is "Dodge"....something here doesn't smell right. What did you run?
The VIP looks like either an Omni GLH, or a Civic, or a Vette.
Or, are those time slips you conveniently lifted from somewhere else?
Yes, I definitely smell fish in here.
The VIP looks like either an Omni GLH, or a Civic, or a Vette.
Or, are those time slips you conveniently lifted from somewhere else?
Yes, I definitely smell fish in here.
08-15-2003, 11:41 AM
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Re: I smell something
Originally posted by graphicguy
Well 350z blue boy....looking at your time slips, the only thing that shows a run with the same car is "Dodge"....something here doesn't smell right. What did you run?
The VIP looks like either an Omni GLH, or a Civic, or a Vette.
Or, are those time slips you conveniently lifted from somewhere else?
Yes, I definitely smell fish in here.
Well 350z blue boy....looking at your time slips, the only thing that shows a run with the same car is "Dodge"....something here doesn't smell right. What did you run?
The VIP looks like either an Omni GLH, or a Civic, or a Vette.
Or, are those time slips you conveniently lifted from somewhere else?
Yes, I definitely smell fish in here.
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08-15-2003, 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Blue 350z
I have tire pressure sensors in my car, Alum suspension and driveshaft, build in stopwatch and an indrediblly efficent and powerful variable intake engine thats all alum and it goes on..
I have tire pressure sensors in my car, Alum suspension and driveshaft, build in stopwatch and an indrediblly efficent and powerful variable intake engine thats all alum and it goes on..
08-15-2003, 11:51 AM
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Cliffnotes for those of you that don't want to read the whole post.
1.) Blue 350Z comes in and makes some statements that sound a bit trollish
2.) Embittered mod fires back
3.) Troll hides trollish ways
4.) Embittered mod nearly blows a head gasket
5.) Trawling, trolling, trolls, gnomes, orcs, balrogs, and Tolkien are discussed
6.) RX-8 fanboys show to fight the troll, embittered mods exits, orcs, trolls, goblins and the like still linger
7.) Troll shows true colors and calls RX-8 wimpy
8.) RX8-TX makes sensible post and is ignored
9.) Magazine racing abounds
10.) Tweety-Nator does his best Sweden impersonation
11.) Brazil, Renault, Europe blah blah blah...
12.) Stone trolls blah blah blah
13.) Commentator wins title of ultimate fanboy
14.) Shrek, trolls...
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
16.) Gnomes, orcs blah blah blah
17.) *********
18.) Troll makes good point
19.) Jesus Herman Christ
20.) Fanboys and Trolls battle for Helms Deep... err.... wait...
21.) Troll calls us all dorks
22.) Genom and Voodoo proclaim their dorkdom proudly
23.) Troll called liar
24.) Troll lashes back and USES CAPITALS and a frowny
TO SHOW HIS ANGER
1.) Blue 350Z comes in and makes some statements that sound a bit trollish
2.) Embittered mod fires back
3.) Troll hides trollish ways
4.) Embittered mod nearly blows a head gasket
5.) Trawling, trolling, trolls, gnomes, orcs, balrogs, and Tolkien are discussed
6.) RX-8 fanboys show to fight the troll, embittered mods exits, orcs, trolls, goblins and the like still linger
7.) Troll shows true colors and calls RX-8 wimpy
8.) RX8-TX makes sensible post and is ignored
9.) Magazine racing abounds
10.) Tweety-Nator does his best Sweden impersonation
11.) Brazil, Renault, Europe blah blah blah...
12.) Stone trolls blah blah blah
13.) Commentator wins title of ultimate fanboy
14.) Shrek, trolls...
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
16.) Gnomes, orcs blah blah blah
17.) *********
18.) Troll makes good point
19.) Jesus Herman Christ
20.) Fanboys and Trolls battle for Helms Deep... err.... wait...
21.) Troll calls us all dorks
22.) Genom and Voodoo proclaim their dorkdom proudly
23.) Troll called liar
24.) Troll lashes back and USES CAPITALS and a frowny
TO SHOW HIS ANGER
08-15-2003, 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Blue 350z
One quick note for you people that blab about acceleration and the official forum excuse of bring it to the twistys (which never happens on the street)
Here is a quote from Car And Driver Mag on the rx8:
Achieving this communication and responsiveness at low limits is not so hard, but the RX-8 does it at 0.91 g, a considerable margin beyond the cornering capabilities of these two competitors. Its transient handling is similarly superior. And the RX-8 is the best stopper of this bunch. Despite these handling advantages, the RX-8 was the slowest at the racetrack , and that's because of a shortage of midrange grunt in its rotary engine. Peak power is decent at 250 horsepower, but it's developed at 8500 rpm. Torque, however, is a mere 159 pound-feet down 111 and 231 pound-feet on the two other cars and it comes at 5500 rpm, which is nearly as high as the others' power peaks. Think Honda S2000 power band, and you get the idea.
Quote from rotary revival: Comparo with rx8, G35C and Stang
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
Now concidering that it was the slowest in a group that includes the G35C which is 250+ LBS heavier and 7HP down with lower max grip numbers then the 350z it kinda makes your take it to the twistys excuse wear thin..
Also FYI: The max cornering grip of an rx8 = 91g, the 350z is 89g and it weights 300+ more then the RX8.
Also the 5-60 time for the RX was 7.5, the 350z's 5-60 is 5.9 seconds.. So said torque don't matter again?
One quick note for you people that blab about acceleration and the official forum excuse of bring it to the twistys (which never happens on the street)
Here is a quote from Car And Driver Mag on the rx8:
Achieving this communication and responsiveness at low limits is not so hard, but the RX-8 does it at 0.91 g, a considerable margin beyond the cornering capabilities of these two competitors. Its transient handling is similarly superior. And the RX-8 is the best stopper of this bunch. Despite these handling advantages, the RX-8 was the slowest at the racetrack , and that's because of a shortage of midrange grunt in its rotary engine. Peak power is decent at 250 horsepower, but it's developed at 8500 rpm. Torque, however, is a mere 159 pound-feet down 111 and 231 pound-feet on the two other cars and it comes at 5500 rpm, which is nearly as high as the others' power peaks. Think Honda S2000 power band, and you get the idea.
Quote from rotary revival: Comparo with rx8, G35C and Stang
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
Now concidering that it was the slowest in a group that includes the G35C which is 250+ LBS heavier and 7HP down with lower max grip numbers then the 350z it kinda makes your take it to the twistys excuse wear thin..
Also FYI: The max cornering grip of an rx8 = 91g, the 350z is 89g and it weights 300+ more then the RX8.
Also the 5-60 time for the RX was 7.5, the 350z's 5-60 is 5.9 seconds.. So said torque don't matter again?
Would you mind to stop it? Maybe this will help you understand:
<Tarzan Talk> Z & 8 different
Z: fast fast, only Tarzan and Jane sitting.
8: fast. Tarzan, Jane, Chimp, and friend sitting.
Z: 6 cylinders, many litres
8: no cylinders, little litres
Z: don't like it.
8: like it, buy it.
Z: lot of money
8: less lot of money
</Tarzan tallk>
Now, c'mon Blue, drop it. I don't bash the Z, I don't bash the G, I don't bash anything except my old ride (a sub-compact SUV...or whatever you call a RAV) The 8 is my first sports car (yeah...I am taking the license to call it a sports car.)
I test drove an S2K very little, a G35 more often (my boss owns one.) a bare bone Z demo car, and I am still eager to go out an have a taste of what Subaru & Mitsubishi have to offer. However, I can tell that pricewise...the Z is expensive for what it has to offer ME. The Mitsu & Subi are different creatures. The G is out of the questions, it is way more expensive at its basic trim..and forget comparing them at the same options.
You said it, the Z is heavier, the G is heavier. They have bigger engines. They pull stronger straight lines for the simple reason that they've got more TQ working under the hood. No question about it. Do I like the Z or G? Hell yes! If they give them to me for free. The Z & G badges are...lets say....over my price range.
Now, going to the twisties thing: Have you tried to hard corner your Z? I am simply asking you because I don't know how it responds. Then try an 8 (yeah, well I don't know who will let you do that with its car though.)
In any case, I am conscious that the 8 still has to prove itself. I barely came out. Lets check on this group in a couple months. And see what feedback comes from 8 owners (like mea, yeah!)
See, I am happy with my car. Apparently it doesn't have all its ponies down where they are supposed to be. But sorry, I am crazy, I don't care.
08-15-2003, 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by OmegaBob
Let's not forget the not-so-good interior, the small boot and the tire feathering problems.
Let's not forget the not-so-good interior, the small boot and the tire feathering problems.
Hey lets not forget, I heard something about AC cycling, dynoing at 175HP and 124TQ, problems with clutches, sunroof design problems, 13 miles per gallon, oil lights flashing, top speeds of 133 and rough idle.
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
08-15-2003, 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by Blue 350z
Also the 5-60 time for the RX was 7.5, the 350z's 5-60 is 5.9 seconds.. So said torque don't matter again?
Also the 5-60 time for the RX was 7.5, the 350z's 5-60 is 5.9 seconds.. So said torque don't matter again?
08-15-2003, 11:57 AM
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The interior looks pretty sweet to me, also I have heard of 3 total people that had tire feathering and what the hell is a "small boot"
Hey lets not forget, I heard something about AC cycling, dynoing at 175HP and 124TQ, problems with clutches, sunroof design problems, 13 miles per gallon, oil lights flashing, top speeds of 133 and rough idle.
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
The interior looks pretty sweet to me, also I have heard of 3 total people that had tire feathering and what the hell is a "small boot"
Hey lets not forget, I heard something about AC cycling, dynoing at 175HP and 124TQ, problems with clutches, sunroof design problems, 13 miles per gallon, oil lights flashing, top speeds of 133 and rough idle.
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
Or maybe... it's just the way I read it.
08-15-2003, 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by eccles
That's why the Good Lord gave us a clutch and six gears to choose from. At 5mph in 4th, the engine's barely off idle, ferchrissakes. You wanna pull away from a stoplight in 4th, be my guest. I'll use the gearbox, thanks.
That's why the Good Lord gave us a clutch and six gears to choose from. At 5mph in 4th, the engine's barely off idle, ferchrissakes. You wanna pull away from a stoplight in 4th, be my guest. I'll use the gearbox, thanks.
Maybe you don't get it..
1st gear mashing the pedel at 5mph to 60mph takes:
The RX-8 = 7.5 seconds
The 350z = 5.9 seconds
get it now?
Also its funny has graphicguy has not responded to me calling him out about his stupid statements on my time slips even as he has been online. That goes to show ya what happens when somebody talks thru his butt.
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08-15-2003, 12:08 PM
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See this is the thing... for most of us, a rolling start of 7.5s is plenty quick if you combine it with the price, handling, build quality and utility of the car.
It's a tradeoff I'm happy to make as are many others. Those that aren't happy with that tradeoff will buy the 350Z or G35C.
Simple as that.
It's a tradeoff I'm happy to make as are many others. Those that aren't happy with that tradeoff will buy the 350Z or G35C.
Simple as that.
08-15-2003, 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by Hercules
See this is the thing... for most of us, a rolling start of 7.5s is plenty quick if you combine it with the price, handling, build quality and utility of the car.
It's a tradeoff I'm happy to make as are many others. Those that aren't happy with that tradeoff will buy the 350Z or G35C.
Simple as that.
See this is the thing... for most of us, a rolling start of 7.5s is plenty quick if you combine it with the price, handling, build quality and utility of the car.
It's a tradeoff I'm happy to make as are many others. Those that aren't happy with that tradeoff will buy the 350Z or G35C.
Simple as that.
08-15-2003, 12:14 PM
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Then why do you continue to troll with the comments about the car?
If you want to debate, we are all open to it. If you want to troll, then you're going to get treated like one.
It's stupid comments that have no base like the car having no interior (where the hell did you pull that one from?) that will cause scrutiny.
Anyways... let's try to be civil, when you are a 350Z owner and want to talk about the RX-8, I think there is a way to do it with TACT. However, thus far none of the people that drive the 350Z or G35 (well, Don and some others are okay) have had that tact, especially as of late. It seems we are just pulling in oodles of trolls and really... who wants to hear that.
If you want to debate, we are all open to it. If you want to troll, then you're going to get treated like one.
It's stupid comments that have no base like the car having no interior (where the hell did you pull that one from?) that will cause scrutiny.
Anyways... let's try to be civil, when you are a 350Z owner and want to talk about the RX-8, I think there is a way to do it with TACT. However, thus far none of the people that drive the 350Z or G35 (well, Don and some others are okay) have had that tact, especially as of late. It seems we are just pulling in oodles of trolls and really... who wants to hear that.
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you calling me out?
Now you're calling me out? Bad mistake on your part bluboy.....
Every race on an official track I've been involved with shows the car make or the owner's name on the slip, regardless of the lane sponsor. I stick by the fact that you've never run your Z on a track.
Remember when I said that no matter how bad you think you are, there's always someone badder?
Bring it.....
Anyone else notice that it seems the vast majority of bluboy's posts are just to trash the RX8?
Oh yea, this "dumbass" is still calling you a liar!!!!!!!
Every race on an official track I've been involved with shows the car make or the owner's name on the slip, regardless of the lane sponsor. I stick by the fact that you've never run your Z on a track.
Remember when I said that no matter how bad you think you are, there's always someone badder?
Bring it.....
Anyone else notice that it seems the vast majority of bluboy's posts are just to trash the RX8?
Oh yea, this "dumbass" is still calling you a liar!!!!!!!
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Blue 350Z, let's be friend. You have my respect for buying the 350Z instead of G35C.
I love my RX8, but if I have a lot money, I wouldn't even consider these two cars. Well I might, if already have 911 and M3 in my garage. :D No, I don't want to start on Murcielago and Enzo, at my current pace, it is just impossible.
I always wonder, does everyone love their RX8 or 350Z unconditionally? Would you rather have an M3 or 911?
I love my RX8, but if I have a lot money, I wouldn't even consider these two cars. Well I might, if already have 911 and M3 in my garage. :D No, I don't want to start on Murcielago and Enzo, at my current pace, it is just impossible.
I always wonder, does everyone love their RX8 or 350Z unconditionally? Would you rather have an M3 or 911?
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Originally posted by Blue 350z
Wow thats a mouthload of opinions ain't it.
Wow thats a mouthload of opinions ain't it.
"AZwhoopin22", think about what you're trying to say, and what hole you're digging yourself in. Don't worry though, because I understand its very easy to get in a car vs car pissmatch, but it really has to stop out of sheer inanity.
The vast majority of these arguments are arguments about cars in whatever stock state of tune they are in... how valid is that? What is the point of arguing about essentially a marketing decision, or an attempt to reach a companies market ideal? because that is what is going on IMO. Gear the car for 60mph topend in 2nd, gear the car for soft suspension so that less people will be turned away because their backs are collapsing. The different choices a company makes in all the factors that can make up a car makes any comparison irrelevant.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that the "stock" criteria-application in all of these arguments gives them weight and credibility of paper-mache.
The only discussion that is relevant to me is the underlying engineering, and that comes out only in high states of tune where components of the car are actually brought to their limits. Here, it doesnt matter where you play, either the track or the dragstrip, but even then it's different applications. Think about where you are in this argument, and if you still want to play, then keep your rag on (in the meantime think RX-7). But you'll probably have to wait a few months until products mature... its just how new cars work. But even then car vs car gets boring... its more like team vs team or driver vs driver.
But anyway, if you are unwilling to bring the argument to any level higher than stock, your arguments are basically as i said before paper mache and your level is pretty well evident on the Pyramid of Speed
. even Skyline Maniac's rants about warranties and Mazda brand name are more useful. THere is a way to discuss other cars without trolling
