Zoom Zoom... Not.. RX-8 spotted at 1/4 strip
08-14-2003, 09:39 PM
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Haris - Thanks for the stat.
Like I was thinking. The Z what??? Only slight edge over the RX-8. I can see all those Z owners hoping the RX-8 does not sale well. If it does and when the RX-7 does debut, I would love to see what it will do to the Z.
Like I was thinking. The Z what??? Only slight edge over the RX-8. I can see all those Z owners hoping the RX-8 does not sale well. If it does and when the RX-7 does debut, I would love to see what it will do to the Z.
Originally posted by Haris
Well if you look at real defenition of a sports car, it wouldn't be either RX8 or 350z. Real sports car would be miata since it has all features of a sports car defenition.
Mazda RX8 could be used as family car, for long trips, etc.
Nissan 350z IMHO is like a muscle car. Big engine, lots of torque, made to run very fast in a straight line. Track model of 350z is .3 seconds faster in 0-60 than RX8 and .2 seconds faster in 1/4 mile.
Mazda RX8 (R&T) Results:
0-60 = 5.9 sec.
1/4 mile = 14.5 sec.
Skidpad = 0.88g
Slalom = 65.4 mph
Brake rating = excellent
Handling balance = mild oversteer
Braking 60-0 mph = 114 ft.
Nissan 350z Track (R&T) Results:
0-60 = 5.6 sec.
1/4 mile = 14.3 sec.
Skidpad = 0.89g
Slalom = 65.6 mph
Brake rating = very good
Handling balance = mild understeer
Braking 60-0 mph = 119 ft.
Now both of these cars have advantages and disadvantages. So in some things RX8 is alot better than 350z and in other's 350z is alot better. So it depends what you need and want. RX8 is totally different from 350z though. G35c and RX8 are good competition.
Well if you look at real defenition of a sports car, it wouldn't be either RX8 or 350z. Real sports car would be miata since it has all features of a sports car defenition.
Mazda RX8 could be used as family car, for long trips, etc.
Nissan 350z IMHO is like a muscle car. Big engine, lots of torque, made to run very fast in a straight line. Track model of 350z is .3 seconds faster in 0-60 than RX8 and .2 seconds faster in 1/4 mile.
Mazda RX8 (R&T) Results:
0-60 = 5.9 sec.
1/4 mile = 14.5 sec.
Skidpad = 0.88g
Slalom = 65.4 mph
Brake rating = excellent
Handling balance = mild oversteer
Braking 60-0 mph = 114 ft.
Nissan 350z Track (R&T) Results:
0-60 = 5.6 sec.
1/4 mile = 14.3 sec.
Skidpad = 0.89g
Slalom = 65.6 mph
Brake rating = very good
Handling balance = mild understeer
Braking 60-0 mph = 119 ft.
Now both of these cars have advantages and disadvantages. So in some things RX8 is alot better than 350z and in other's 350z is alot better. So it depends what you need and want. RX8 is totally different from 350z though. G35c and RX8 are good competition.
08-14-2003, 10:25 PM
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.When an individual amature driver does a test, It is not comaprible to a professionals. Also, are these so called testers dropping the clutch at 7500 rpm's? That is what it takes to get the best times from the RX-8. Just too many variables to consider when comparing the times of magazines/professional drivers, and amatures.
08-14-2003, 10:26 PM
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Mazda and Nissan as far as history goes have such an opposite perception by car people...
With the exception of some of their specialty sportscars
Mazda = Great Handlers lacking a great engine
Nissan = Great engines and lacking handling
If the two merged we would have one amazing car :p
By the way, I think Blue 350Z is more of a gnome than a troll, perhaps an orc...
With the exception of some of their specialty sportscars
Mazda = Great Handlers lacking a great engine
Nissan = Great engines and lacking handling
If the two merged we would have one amazing car :p
By the way, I think Blue 350Z is more of a gnome than a troll, perhaps an orc...
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Originally posted by rotarymagic
.When an individual amature driver does a test, It is not comaprible to a professionals. Also, are these so called testers dropping the clutch at 7500 rpm's? That is what it takes to get the best times from the RX-8. Just too many variables to consider when comparing the times of magazines/professional drivers, and amatures.
.When an individual amature driver does a test, It is not comaprible to a professionals. Also, are these so called testers dropping the clutch at 7500 rpm's? That is what it takes to get the best times from the RX-8. Just too many variables to consider when comparing the times of magazines/professional drivers, and amatures.
That'd be cool if automakers as an industry standard provided video Best-Motoring style to substantiate claims... also to show how fast factory drivers can launch and shift (and maybe clutchless shift too)
08-14-2003, 10:46 PM
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Cliffnotes for those of you that don't want to read the whole post.
1.) Blue 350Z comes in and makes some statements that sound a bit trollish
2.) Embittered mod fires back
3.) Troll hides trollish ways
4.) Embittered mod nearly blows a head gasket
5.) Trawling, trolling, trolls, gnomes, orcs, balrogs, and Tolkien are discussed
6.) RX-8 fanboys show to fight the troll, embittered mods exits, orcs, trolls, goblins and the like still linger
7.) Troll shows true colors and calls RX-8 wimpy
8.) RX8-TX makes sensible post and is ignored
9.) Magazine racing abounds
10.) Tweety-Nator does his best Sweden impersonation
11.) Brazil, Renault, Europe blah blah blah...
12.) Stone trolls blah blah blah
13.) Commentator wins title of ultimate fanboy
14.) Shrek, trolls...
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
16.) Gnomes, orcs blah blah blah
Ok you may continue on now that we have caught everyone up to speed :p
Ike
1.) Blue 350Z comes in and makes some statements that sound a bit trollish
2.) Embittered mod fires back
3.) Troll hides trollish ways
4.) Embittered mod nearly blows a head gasket
5.) Trawling, trolling, trolls, gnomes, orcs, balrogs, and Tolkien are discussed
6.) RX-8 fanboys show to fight the troll, embittered mods exits, orcs, trolls, goblins and the like still linger
7.) Troll shows true colors and calls RX-8 wimpy
8.) RX8-TX makes sensible post and is ignored
9.) Magazine racing abounds
10.) Tweety-Nator does his best Sweden impersonation
11.) Brazil, Renault, Europe blah blah blah...
12.) Stone trolls blah blah blah
13.) Commentator wins title of ultimate fanboy
14.) Shrek, trolls...
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
16.) Gnomes, orcs blah blah blah
Ok you may continue on now that we have caught everyone up to speed :p
Ike
08-14-2003, 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
Cliffnotes for those of you that don't want to read the whole post.
1.) Blue 350Z comes in and makes some statements that sound a bit trollish
2.) Embittered mod fires back
3.) Troll hides trollish ways
4.) Embittered mod nearly blows a head gasket
5.) Trawling, trolling, trolls, gnomes, orcs, balrogs, and Tolkien are discussed
6.) RX-8 fanboys show to fight the troll, embittered mods exits, orcs, trolls, goblins and the like still linger
7.) Troll shows true colors and calls RX-8 wimpy
8.) RX8-TX makes sensible post and is ignored
9.) Magazine racing abounds
10.) Tweety-Nator does his best Sweden impersonation
11.) Brazil, Renault, Europe blah blah blah...
12.) Stone trolls blah blah blah
13.) Commentator wins title of ultimate fanboy
14.) Shrek, trolls...
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
16.) Gnomes, orcs blah blah blah
Ok you may continue on now that we have caught everyone up to speed :p
Ike
Cliffnotes for those of you that don't want to read the whole post.
1.) Blue 350Z comes in and makes some statements that sound a bit trollish
2.) Embittered mod fires back
3.) Troll hides trollish ways
4.) Embittered mod nearly blows a head gasket
5.) Trawling, trolling, trolls, gnomes, orcs, balrogs, and Tolkien are discussed
6.) RX-8 fanboys show to fight the troll, embittered mods exits, orcs, trolls, goblins and the like still linger
7.) Troll shows true colors and calls RX-8 wimpy
8.) RX8-TX makes sensible post and is ignored
9.) Magazine racing abounds
10.) Tweety-Nator does his best Sweden impersonation
11.) Brazil, Renault, Europe blah blah blah...
12.) Stone trolls blah blah blah
13.) Commentator wins title of ultimate fanboy
14.) Shrek, trolls...
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
16.) Gnomes, orcs blah blah blah
Ok you may continue on now that we have caught everyone up to speed :p
Ike
08-14-2003, 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
BTW I would make a bet that every person who bought an RX-8 could have purchased a 350Z and for some reason decided not to. My reasons were the same as many of those pointed out above. But...now here is the slam dunk...NONE of the 350Z owners, prior to say July 11th or so, could have purchased an RX-8. :D
Can't we all just get along??? :-)
08-14-2003, 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by ElementalsIn
so... i'm deciding between the 350z and the rx8 at the moment... if i were to buy a 350z, and still enjoy posting here (yes i don't post much, but i do enjoy browsing and responding to certain threads, but also because i like both cars equaly as of this moment), u would consider me a troll? is that the point ur trying to get across here? because if thats the case, YOU are VERY narrow minded my friend
so... i'm deciding between the 350z and the rx8 at the moment... if i were to buy a 350z, and still enjoy posting here (yes i don't post much, but i do enjoy browsing and responding to certain threads, but also because i like both cars equaly as of this moment), u would consider me a troll? is that the point ur trying to get across here? because if thats the case, YOU are VERY narrow minded my friend
Second point, I will discuss things that are posted in an intelligent matter. However, coming in here, saying "no offense but" and then rag about a car you saw someone else drive, on a forum where people are trying to discuss the car they actually drive, and when replied about why your argument is something that has been covered before, and not of that much interest, decide to take insult potshots is trolling.
I have nothing against other car's. I only have a problem with other car owners who for no reason whatsoever try to belittle my choice in cars, when in fact he has no idea why I chose the car. His reasons for his car are his own. A lot of people share them, but I think it's pretty safe to say a good chunk of RX-8 owners dont share them, as they most pointedly, did not buy a 350Z. As soon as others can stop being insulting, they might stop being called trolls.
08-15-2003, 12:11 AM
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Ike: thx for the cliffnotes! 
I actually DO have something against other cars. One in particular: the Pontiac Aztek! That's one butt ugly, car/crossover SUV ... thing!
As for the Z... before I ordered my 8, I did consider the Z. However, after researching the car and reading up at MY350z.com, I realized that the car was not for me. Why?
1 - Tire feathering issues
2 - Interior design issues: crappy materials, no passenger glove box !?! (behind the seat storage doesn't count), unexceptional stereo
3 - Tiny trunk
4 - It's a two-seater
I do like the looks and colors (esp the blue); however, it just doesn't fit my needs, though the 5 speed AT is nice!
Originally posted by Genom
I have nothing against other car's.
I have nothing against other car's.
As for the Z... before I ordered my 8, I did consider the Z. However, after researching the car and reading up at MY350z.com, I realized that the car was not for me. Why?
1 - Tire feathering issues
2 - Interior design issues: crappy materials, no passenger glove box !?! (behind the seat storage doesn't count), unexceptional stereo
3 - Tiny trunk
4 - It's a two-seater
I do like the looks and colors (esp the blue); however, it just doesn't fit my needs, though the 5 speed AT is nice!
08-15-2003, 01:50 AM
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Cliffnotes for those of you that don't want to read the whole post.
1.) Blue 350Z comes in and makes some statements that sound a bit trollish
2.) Embittered mod fires back
3.) Troll hides trollish ways
4.) Embittered mod nearly blows a head gasket
5.) Trawling, trolling, trolls, gnomes, orcs, balrogs, and Tolkien are discussed
6.) RX-8 fanboys show to fight the troll, embittered mods exits, orcs, trolls, goblins and the like still linger
7.) Troll shows true colors and calls RX-8 wimpy
8.) RX8-TX makes sensible post and is ignored
9.) Magazine racing abounds
10.) Tweety-Nator does his best Sweden impersonation
11.) Brazil, Renault, Europe blah blah blah...
12.) Stone trolls blah blah blah
13.) Commentator wins title of ultimate fanboy
14.) Shrek, trolls...
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
16.) Gnomes, orcs blah blah blah
17.) IkeWRX is banned by admistrator
1.) Blue 350Z comes in and makes some statements that sound a bit trollish
2.) Embittered mod fires back
3.) Troll hides trollish ways
4.) Embittered mod nearly blows a head gasket
5.) Trawling, trolling, trolls, gnomes, orcs, balrogs, and Tolkien are discussed
6.) RX-8 fanboys show to fight the troll, embittered mods exits, orcs, trolls, goblins and the like still linger
7.) Troll shows true colors and calls RX-8 wimpy
8.) RX8-TX makes sensible post and is ignored
9.) Magazine racing abounds
10.) Tweety-Nator does his best Sweden impersonation
11.) Brazil, Renault, Europe blah blah blah...
12.) Stone trolls blah blah blah
13.) Commentator wins title of ultimate fanboy
14.) Shrek, trolls...
15.) Troll insults spelling of others and says "registered after I seen ridicules comments about the 350z."
16.) Gnomes, orcs blah blah blah
17.) IkeWRX is banned by admistrator
08-15-2003, 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoConVert
That'd be cool if automakers as an industry standard provided video Best-Motoring style to substantiate claims... also to show how fast factory drivers can launch and shift (and maybe clutchless shift too)
That'd be cool if automakers as an industry standard provided video Best-Motoring style to substantiate claims... also to show how fast factory drivers can launch and shift (and maybe clutchless shift too)
Why? Owners would follow the instructions, destroy their clutches/diffs/whatever trying to reproduce the technique and would blame the manufacturer as they were following "official" techniques...
08-15-2003, 07:45 AM
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all true (except for 350z blue)
Probably the truest statement made was we all had a chance to buy a 350Z and chose the RX8 instead.
Having driven both (as well as the G35), I've certainly got my own reasons for choosing the RX8 over the 350.
BUT, coming in here and pretending that you are something you're not (curious about the RX8) is just plain wrong. It's like coming over to my house, eating all my food, drinking all my beer, farting on my couch and then stating that I'm not a good host.
Having driven both (as well as the G35), I've certainly got my own reasons for choosing the RX8 over the 350.
BUT, coming in here and pretending that you are something you're not (curious about the RX8) is just plain wrong. It's like coming over to my house, eating all my food, drinking all my beer, farting on my couch and then stating that I'm not a good host.
08-15-2003, 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by Genom
I have nothing against other car's. I only have a problem with other car owners who for no reason whatsoever try to belittle my choice in cars, when in fact he has no idea why I chose the car..... As soon as others can stop being insulting, they might stop being called trolls.
I have nothing against other car's. I only have a problem with other car owners who for no reason whatsoever try to belittle my choice in cars, when in fact he has no idea why I chose the car..... As soon as others can stop being insulting, they might stop being called trolls.
08-15-2003, 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by OmegaBob
Ike: thx for the cliffnotes!
I actually DO have something against other cars. One in particular: the Pontiac Aztek! That's one butt ugly, car/crossover SUV ... thing!
Ike: thx for the cliffnotes!
I actually DO have something against other cars. One in particular: the Pontiac Aztek! That's one butt ugly, car/crossover SUV ... thing!
Of course, apologies to any Aztec user lurking around who will now run to the Aztec forums (yeah, like there's gonna be more than 3 people who actually wanna talk about the car) and tell everybody how we are all mean and stuff!
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Well I go away for a few days and more of my 350Z brethren come in and stir up trouble.
We have nice cars give it a rest. All this race numbers this and that. Sometimes it is not even the car, its who has the biggest pair . . .if you know what I mean.
We have nice cars give it a rest. All this race numbers this and that. Sometimes it is not even the car, its who has the biggest pair . . .if you know what I mean.
08-15-2003, 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by Hercules
Are you on something?
Hell, I can hand time my car and get ~6 seconds to 60. The car that was tested with those numbers was... guess what.... fully furnished as opposed to your idea of the car not having a full interior?
There's a reason why you have a 350Z and were sitting at a drag strip. The RX-8 buyers that know what the car is about won't be there.... they'll be wringing out that 6 speed thru some twisties.
That 5.9s dash to 60 is right on target with the current car. It's been tested numerous times from Road and Track, Car and Driver, and a lot of other places that used a similarly set up car. Hell, the production models in Europe that get 231 horses still dash to 62 in 6.3 seconds... so add 20 ponies and reduce the speed by 2 mph and you have your deficit.
Please take your misinformation back to the 350Z boards, as I'm sure it's appreciated there. We are all pretty well read on the cars and passing off your misinformation is rather an insult, just like if we came to the 350Z forums and started posting information about how somebody ran a 15 second quarter.
Are you on something?
Hell, I can hand time my car and get ~6 seconds to 60. The car that was tested with those numbers was... guess what.... fully furnished as opposed to your idea of the car not having a full interior?
There's a reason why you have a 350Z and were sitting at a drag strip. The RX-8 buyers that know what the car is about won't be there.... they'll be wringing out that 6 speed thru some twisties.
That 5.9s dash to 60 is right on target with the current car. It's been tested numerous times from Road and Track, Car and Driver, and a lot of other places that used a similarly set up car. Hell, the production models in Europe that get 231 horses still dash to 62 in 6.3 seconds... so add 20 ponies and reduce the speed by 2 mph and you have your deficit.
Please take your misinformation back to the 350Z boards, as I'm sure it's appreciated there. We are all pretty well read on the cars and passing off your misinformation is rather an insult, just like if we came to the 350Z forums and started posting information about how somebody ran a 15 second quarter.
We all know our cars are awsome this is a given. This is why people are trading in their Z S2k EVO etc for an 8. Its a different car like you said obviously made for the twisties. Its an awsome car which we all love and appreciate.
His misinformation does jive with lots of the posts on our forum. I however wonder if it could have been a issue with the first batch of cars that came out. I got the second shipment and if I stomp on the gas in my first at 4k I get pushed back in my seat very well beyond what I expected and have to grab second very quickly even though we have long gear ratios.
In 3k more miles i think im gonna dyno my car. In 8 k miles im going to take it to the strip ..........once that is im not a strip kinda guy and i dont like to put the pain on my clutch. Then in 10 k ill be doing speed trials who hoo!
Ill make sure to give my impressions at that time Dynos my quarter times etc. Thanks alot all this is an awsome board that im proud to be a part of.
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Originally posted by ProtoConVert
That'd be cool if automakers as an industry standard provided video Best-Motoring style to substantiate claims... also to show how fast factory drivers can launch and shift (and maybe clutchless shift too)
That'd be cool if automakers as an industry standard provided video Best-Motoring style to substantiate claims... also to show how fast factory drivers can launch and shift (and maybe clutchless shift too)
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One quick note for you people that blab about acceleration and the official forum excuse of bring it to the twistys (which never happens on the street)
Here is a quote from Car And Driver Mag on the rx8:
Achieving this communication and responsiveness at low limits is not so hard, but the RX-8 does it at 0.91 g, a considerable margin beyond the cornering capabilities of these two competitors. Its transient handling is similarly superior. And the RX-8 is the best stopper of this bunch. Despite these handling advantages, the RX-8 was the slowest at the racetrack , and that's because of a shortage of midrange grunt in its rotary engine. Peak power is decent at 250 horsepower, but it's developed at 8500 rpm. Torque, however, is a mere 159 pound-feet down 111 and 231 pound-feet on the two other cars and it comes at 5500 rpm, which is nearly as high as the others' power peaks. Think Honda S2000 power band, and you get the idea.
Quote from rotary revival: Comparo with rx8, G35C and Stang
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
Now concidering that it was the slowest in a group that includes the G35C which is 250+ LBS heavier and 7HP down with lower max grip numbers then the 350z it kinda makes your take it to the twistys excuse wear thin..
Also FYI: The max cornering grip of an rx8 = 91g, the 350z is 89g and it weights 300+ more then the RX8.
Also the 5-60 time for the RX was 7.5, the 350z's 5-60 is 5.9 seconds.. So said torque don't matter again?
Here is a quote from Car And Driver Mag on the rx8:
Achieving this communication and responsiveness at low limits is not so hard, but the RX-8 does it at 0.91 g, a considerable margin beyond the cornering capabilities of these two competitors. Its transient handling is similarly superior. And the RX-8 is the best stopper of this bunch. Despite these handling advantages, the RX-8 was the slowest at the racetrack , and that's because of a shortage of midrange grunt in its rotary engine. Peak power is decent at 250 horsepower, but it's developed at 8500 rpm. Torque, however, is a mere 159 pound-feet down 111 and 231 pound-feet on the two other cars and it comes at 5500 rpm, which is nearly as high as the others' power peaks. Think Honda S2000 power band, and you get the idea.
Quote from rotary revival: Comparo with rx8, G35C and Stang
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
Now concidering that it was the slowest in a group that includes the G35C which is 250+ LBS heavier and 7HP down with lower max grip numbers then the 350z it kinda makes your take it to the twistys excuse wear thin..
Also FYI: The max cornering grip of an rx8 = 91g, the 350z is 89g and it weights 300+ more then the RX8.
Also the 5-60 time for the RX was 7.5, the 350z's 5-60 is 5.9 seconds.. So said torque don't matter again?
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08-15-2003, 10:49 AM
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wrong forum man...you're like Jekyll and Hyde, one minute you're justifying your appearance here by stating your love for all kinds of cars...next minute you're bashing the very car this forum is all about...perhaps it's time to leave now?
and btw, there is a Lord of the Rings - Return of the King trailer floating around somewhere...i'll look for that link...and i STILL do not know the difference b/n an ogre, goblin, orc, troll, knoll and kobold...ogre's seem like big, fat orcs...orcs seem like physically fit trolls...trolls seem like adult knolls, and knolls look like bigger goblins...kobolds just seem like walking dogs...they all look like one giant family
and btw, there is a Lord of the Rings - Return of the King trailer floating around somewhere...i'll look for that link...and i STILL do not know the difference b/n an ogre, goblin, orc, troll, knoll and kobold...ogre's seem like big, fat orcs...orcs seem like physically fit trolls...trolls seem like adult knolls, and knolls look like bigger goblins...kobolds just seem like walking dogs...they all look like one giant family
