Why People Think 8s are Slow
09-05-2009, 03:39 PM
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Yes i second this, and i am a stock GTO and with 4 245 Falken RT-615 tires all round i managed a 13.00 at 109mph, im not saying a turbo RX8 can not beat me but "hand me my ***" Thats takes A LOT more to do
Unless you meant a 5.7 GTO, yea a turboed RX8 can beat those no problem, but still not in a *** handing manner
Unless you meant a 5.7 GTO, yea a turboed RX8 can beat those no problem, but still not in a *** handing manner
09-05-2009, 03:46 PM
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He called it, fanboi. I found the new dyno. 330rwhp. Woo hoo. The car's set to "kill", tuning out the knock sensor pulling timing, and running meth... nice.
Oh, I love the part about "wheelspin on the rollers". Yah, that's it. That bone crushing 326 lb-ft of torque. They strapping the car down with rubber bands? My god, I can't imagine how a stock GTO stays on the rollers. Why, stock with 345lb-ft of torque, it should just explode off the dyno every time. Good lord, how do those 700+ hp GTO's stay on a dynojet? They should be in orbit.
I'm guessing that 330whp could be enough to "walk" a GTO. I'm guessing that might translate to 109-110 mph trap. That's STILL not handing it its ***. You see what I mean?
So tell me, 05rex8allknowingofrx8, point me in the direction of a timeslip to prove he can decimate all those cars he mentioned.
Oh, I love the part about "wheelspin on the rollers". Yah, that's it. That bone crushing 326 lb-ft of torque. They strapping the car down with rubber bands? My god, I can't imagine how a stock GTO stays on the rollers. Why, stock with 345lb-ft of torque, it should just explode off the dyno every time. Good lord, how do those 700+ hp GTO's stay on a dynojet? They should be in orbit.
I'm guessing that 330whp could be enough to "walk" a GTO. I'm guessing that might translate to 109-110 mph trap. That's STILL not handing it its ***. You see what I mean?
So tell me, 05rex8allknowingofrx8, point me in the direction of a timeslip to prove he can decimate all those cars he mentioned.
Your response is so typical of a muscle car owner. OMG he said an rx8 can beat a GTO... NOOOOOOOOOO!. I must make this right. Someone is wrong on the internet!!
It actually it did spin on the dyno though--I was there.
It was pretty cool to see an rx8 do that. You have to admit, that's pretty impressive, lol.
btw, i like that 05rex8allknowingofrx8; even though I never claimed to be all knowing....
maybe i will change my sn anyways. mods??
silly troll.
09-05-2009, 03:54 PM
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this **** happened to me yesterday.. driving thru springfield, ny, and some kid in his SI (with a chick.. probably trying to impress her) keeps tailgaiting. We were on public roads in the middle of the day, and people in queens like to jaywalk, so you HAVE to drive slow if you don't want to run over anyone.. The kid pulls up next to me, yells "your car's a POS!" then flies by. I don't let things like that bother me.. so i just kept going, minding my own business. Three blocks later, I see his punk *** pulled over on the side with bright blue flashing. It's probably the first time i was actually happy to see a cop.. I drove by slowly, pointed and laughed out loud.
It doesn't always work out that way, but karma can catch up real quick sometimes =)
It doesn't always work out that way, but karma can catch up real quick sometimes =)
09-05-2009, 04:05 PM
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Well, he will walk away from all of those, especially stock, how bad would he beat on them, IDK.. GTO is heavier so 326 lb-ft of torque is great for the RX8 and 345 for the GTO is great but GTO's are on a different level IMO. Handing all the cars their asses from a roll might happen excluding the GTO. I assume the GTO might still keep up from a roll but will get pulled on
09-05-2009, 04:17 PM
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Not trying to be a jerk, but, really? A 6.0 GTO? Hand them their ***? How badly are you handing them their ***? None of those cars stock gets even close to a stock GTO's trap speed.
I'm asking just because I really want to know what kind of numbers are required in a Renesis turbo RX8 just to keep up with a 6.0 GTO, let alone, "hand them their ***". Your dyno from a dynapack (which reads higher than a dynojet) is saying 302whp. I don't think that's enough to beat a 107mph trapping car. I don't think you can pick up over 12 mph of trapspeed with a 100 whp in an RX8. I'm assuming you don't have a timeslip to back it up, but I could be wrong.
Where am I wrong?
I'm asking just because I really want to know what kind of numbers are required in a Renesis turbo RX8 just to keep up with a 6.0 GTO, let alone, "hand them their ***". Your dyno from a dynapack (which reads higher than a dynojet) is saying 302whp. I don't think that's enough to beat a 107mph trapping car. I don't think you can pick up over 12 mph of trapspeed with a 100 whp in an RX8. I'm assuming you don't have a timeslip to back it up, but I could be wrong.
Where am I wrong?
Don't have a timesluip but check out this youtube vid of my car going through the gears - 110mph (176km/hr)comes up in a tad over 13s . And that is with a very tame takeoff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7NMI...e=channel_page
09-05-2009, 04:30 PM
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Well, he will walk away from all of those, especially stock, how bad would he beat on them, IDK.. GTO is heavier so 326 lb-ft of torque is great for the RX8 and 345 for the GTO is great but GTO's are on a different level IMO. Handing all the cars their asses from a roll might happen excluding the GTO. I assume the GTO might still keep up from a roll but will get pulled on
His old dyno on a dynapack showed 300whp, equating to about 280rwhp on a dynojet (and that's being forgiving). That's what I based my original assertion that he couldn't pull on a 107mph car. That's when I raised the BS flag.
I don't care if you substitute WHATEVER car in for "GTO". Is a turbo Renesis with 330rwhp a 110+mph car? If it is, great. I'd like to know for sure.
Brettus,
Do you have a Gtech or an iPhone with dynolicious or something that doesn't key off the car's speedometer or isn't OBDII based and can accurately read rollout and time to distance like an accelerometer does?
Right, 317kw translates to an LS3. Hell you might have a low 13 110mph car, but if it's not at a dragstrip, how about getting something out of an accelerometer?
I don't care what anybody else says... accelerometers have been proven to be close enough nowadays to do some meaningful comparisons.
09-05-2009, 04:40 PM
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True. I would like to see some good honest pulls with the rx8 at 330whp+ vs another car with that or more. I've seen some on youtube but they don't really justify anything.
09-05-2009, 04:41 PM
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LMAO! I knew that would get your panties twisted. Too fun.
Your response is so typical of a muscle car owner. OMG he said an rx8 can beat a GTO... NOOOOOOOOOO!. I must make this right. Someone is wrong on the internet!!
It actually it did spin on the dyno though--I was there.
It was pretty cool to see an rx8 do that. You have to admit, that's pretty impressive, lol.
btw, i like that 05rex8allknowingofrx8; even though I never claimed to be all knowing....
maybe i will change my sn anyways. mods??
silly troll.
Your response is so typical of a muscle car owner. OMG he said an rx8 can beat a GTO... NOOOOOOOOOO!. I must make this right. Someone is wrong on the internet!!
It actually it did spin on the dyno though--I was there.
It was pretty cool to see an rx8 do that. You have to admit, that's pretty impressive, lol.
btw, i like that 05rex8allknowingofrx8; even though I never claimed to be all knowing....
maybe i will change my sn anyways. mods??
silly troll.
GTO's get beaten all the time. There are so many cars faster than it all over the place, not arguing that, but one thing is absolutely certain. The number datapoints the stock GTO has for quarter mile makes it a baseline for comparing cars. There are few GTO's that can trap 109mph but FAR AND AWAY they all land in the 107-108 mph range. It's very consistent.
If Chickenwafer says he can walk one, then we KNOW what his car is capable of trapping, and how much of that dyno number is truly translating to the ground, REAL WORLD. If you would listen a little better instead of trying to mock me and call me a troll, you might learn something too.
09-05-2009, 05:09 PM
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...specialty_file
click that link.. the ptp turbo trapped 109.. the car ran a 13.5... with an unstable launch, and 290 lb.ft of trq. And that article reads 390 hp. On that day they Car and Driver ran it at the track it was only at 375hp.
i believe chickenwafer can match a stock 6.0 gto from a dead stop.. And from a roll i think he would have it in the rear view mirror. There will always be debate until we see it. But one things for sure, drop a cold air intake, headerback exhaust, and a tune on the gto and we might have to go get Chris' Esmeril racing 500HP machine to stay in it..lol.. jus my opinion though.
click that link.. the ptp turbo trapped 109.. the car ran a 13.5... with an unstable launch, and 290 lb.ft of trq. And that article reads 390 hp. On that day they Car and Driver ran it at the track it was only at 375hp.
i believe chickenwafer can match a stock 6.0 gto from a dead stop.. And from a roll i think he would have it in the rear view mirror. There will always be debate until we see it. But one things for sure, drop a cold air intake, headerback exhaust, and a tune on the gto and we might have to go get Chris' Esmeril racing 500HP machine to stay in it..lol.. jus my opinion though.
09-05-2009, 05:49 PM
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...specialty_file
click that link.. the ptp turbo trapped 109.. the car ran a 13.5... with an unstable launch, and 290 lb.ft of trq. And that article reads 390 hp. On that day they Car and Driver ran it at the track it was only at 375hp.
i believe chickenwafer can match a stock 6.0 gto from a dead stop.. And from a roll i think he would have it in the rear view mirror. There will always be debate until we see it. But one things for sure, drop a cold air intake, headerback exhaust, and a tune on the gto and we might have to go get Chris' Esmeril racing 500HP machine to stay in it..lol.. jus my opinion though.
click that link.. the ptp turbo trapped 109.. the car ran a 13.5... with an unstable launch, and 290 lb.ft of trq. And that article reads 390 hp. On that day they Car and Driver ran it at the track it was only at 375hp.
i believe chickenwafer can match a stock 6.0 gto from a dead stop.. And from a roll i think he would have it in the rear view mirror. There will always be debate until we see it. But one things for sure, drop a cold air intake, headerback exhaust, and a tune on the gto and we might have to go get Chris' Esmeril racing 500HP machine to stay in it..lol.. jus my opinion though.
09-05-2009, 06:39 PM
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It's a Cavalier
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...specialty_file
click that link.. the ptp turbo trapped 109.. the car ran a 13.5... with an unstable launch, and 290 lb.ft of trq. And that article reads 390 hp. On that day they Car and Driver ran it at the track it was only at 375hp.
i believe chickenwafer can match a stock 6.0 gto from a dead stop.. And from a roll i think he would have it in the rear view mirror. There will always be debate until we see it. But one things for sure, drop a cold air intake, headerback exhaust, and a tune on the gto and we might have to go get Chris' Esmeril racing 500HP machine to stay in it..lol.. jus my opinion though.
click that link.. the ptp turbo trapped 109.. the car ran a 13.5... with an unstable launch, and 290 lb.ft of trq. And that article reads 390 hp. On that day they Car and Driver ran it at the track it was only at 375hp.
i believe chickenwafer can match a stock 6.0 gto from a dead stop.. And from a roll i think he would have it in the rear view mirror. There will always be debate until we see it. But one things for sure, drop a cold air intake, headerback exhaust, and a tune on the gto and we might have to go get Chris' Esmeril racing 500HP machine to stay in it..lol.. jus my opinion though.
Second, not make anything GTO specific here (skip all this if you don't give a damn about GTO's), but going from a dig is not necessarily the GTO's strong point. Ask any GTO owner that races them at the track. They are difficult to launch because they are heavy, can't accommodate larger rear tires easily, and are susceptible to wheelhop. GTO's are known for being able to do well going from a roll, even with the weight. The GTO mods you describe will net you about 385-390rwhp, and a solid 12 second quarter and at least 111+mph trap. Add a cam to the mix, and then you'll start making some respectable power gains. The cam is the key to waking up the NA setups... 11's and high teens possible.
Yah, but those are the same numb nuts that can't imagine how it works, and don't have an idea what the math is behind it. It would be pretty cool if you could make a pass or two with it. It's not perfect, but you know it's pretty damn good... a tenth or two and a couple of mph either way at most.
09-05-2009, 06:44 PM
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why people have not looked at the PTP kit, IDK. PTP's kit ever up for production? At that time, I really think that was just a stepping stone into what we see nowadays with turbocharged 8's
09-05-2009, 08:06 PM
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You know me... my panties are always in a wad when it comes to comparing cars like this. I learn more each time I start some crap and get other feathers ruffled.
GTO's get beaten all the time. There are so many cars faster than it all over the place, not arguing that, but one thing is absolutely certain. The number datapoints the stock GTO has for quarter mile makes it a baseline for comparing cars. There are few GTO's that can trap 109mph but FAR AND AWAY they all land in the 107-108 mph range. It's very consistent.
If Chickenwafer says he can walk one, then we KNOW what his car is capable of trapping, and how much of that dyno number is truly translating to the ground, REAL WORLD. If you would listen a little better instead of trying to mock me and call me a troll, you might learn something too.
GTO's get beaten all the time. There are so many cars faster than it all over the place, not arguing that, but one thing is absolutely certain. The number datapoints the stock GTO has for quarter mile makes it a baseline for comparing cars. There are few GTO's that can trap 109mph but FAR AND AWAY they all land in the 107-108 mph range. It's very consistent.
If Chickenwafer says he can walk one, then we KNOW what his car is capable of trapping, and how much of that dyno number is truly translating to the ground, REAL WORLD. If you would listen a little better instead of trying to mock me and call me a troll, you might learn something too.
dude lighten up, just having some fun with you
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09-06-2009, 02:12 AM
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GTO's are known for being able to do well going from a roll, even with the weight.
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Yes the cars top end is godly, following the 100mph courtesy rule 40mph rolls have usually went amazing for me.
Oh and the 109 was my best run, i kept running 13.1s at 108 and then i just let the car cool for like 30 min and i did my 13.00 @ 109, i was cutting consistent 2.0 60 foots everytime, my buddy with an auto GTO with many mods but worse tires managed a 1.9 60ft and i was hoping to match that, hopefully would have been in the high 12s with a 1.9 60 foot and 109mph trap speed but i was still happy with a 13.00 haha
GTO's are known for being able to do well going from a roll, even with the weight.
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Yes the cars top end is godly, following the 100mph courtesy rule 40mph rolls have usually went amazing for me.
Oh and the 109 was my best run, i kept running 13.1s at 108 and then i just let the car cool for like 30 min and i did my 13.00 @ 109, i was cutting consistent 2.0 60 foots everytime, my buddy with an auto GTO with many mods but worse tires managed a 1.9 60ft and i was hoping to match that, hopefully would have been in the high 12s with a 1.9 60 foot and 109mph trap speed but i was still happy with a 13.00 haha
09-06-2009, 09:29 AM
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When it comes down to it, bottom line is most people dont take their car to a track or dragstrip. For DD this car is fine. Is it underpowered when you compare it to the competition? Absolutely. Is Mazda working on it? I hope so. Hopefully the 16x can come to fruition sooner than later.
I love reading the car magazines as much as the next guy, but do people seriously buy one car over another because it is 1 second faster in the 1/4 mile? In your daily commute to work and around town, or on your 20 mile trip to see grandma does that really matter? Not at all.
I love reading the car magazines as much as the next guy, but do people seriously buy one car over another because it is 1 second faster in the 1/4 mile? In your daily commute to work and around town, or on your 20 mile trip to see grandma does that really matter? Not at all.
09-06-2009, 11:46 AM
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When it comes down to it, bottom line is most people dont take their car to a track or dragstrip. For DD this car is fine. Is it underpowered when you compare it to the competition? Absolutely. Is Mazda working on it? I hope so. Hopefully the 16x can come to fruition sooner than later.
I love reading the car magazines as much as the next guy, but do people seriously buy one car over another because it is 1 second faster in the 1/4 mile? In your daily commute to work and around town, or on your 20 mile trip to see grandma does that really matter? Not at all.
I love reading the car magazines as much as the next guy, but do people seriously buy one car over another because it is 1 second faster in the 1/4 mile? In your daily commute to work and around town, or on your 20 mile trip to see grandma does that really matter? Not at all.
Everything you said is true.
Except this thread was made by the OP on how the RX-8 isn't slow...
And then it turned into turboed rx-8 faster than a gto...
not sure how your true but irrelevant in this case statement applies in this thread.
But yes, this is another thread headed for the Failure Canyon.
09-06-2009, 12:03 PM
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Everything you said is true.
Except this thread was made by the OP on how the RX-8 isn't slow...
And then it turned into turboed rx-8 faster than a gto...
not sure how your true but irrelevant in this case statement applies in this thread.
But yes, this is another thread headed for the Failure Canyon.
Except this thread was made by the OP on how the RX-8 isn't slow...
And then it turned into turboed rx-8 faster than a gto...
not sure how your true but irrelevant in this case statement applies in this thread.
But yes, this is another thread headed for the Failure Canyon.
09-06-2009, 02:02 PM
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Looks like after all these years, rotary drivers' understanding is still at the level of a weak apprentice. When will they learn?
The only way to unleash full power, is to drive with complete mastery of hiten mitsurugi rotary technique.
You should see the fear on their face, everytime I utilize the shinsoku speed! They know their death is guaranteed! Never late for work!
It is said, the final secret driving technique of hiten mitsurugi unleases the full 247hp fury of the renesis. But it can only be used once in your lifetime, and a failed attempt results in instant death.
The only way to unleash full power, is to drive with complete mastery of hiten mitsurugi rotary technique.
You should see the fear on their face, everytime I utilize the shinsoku speed! They know their death is guaranteed! Never late for work!
It is said, the final secret driving technique of hiten mitsurugi unleases the full 247hp fury of the renesis. But it can only be used once in your lifetime, and a failed attempt results in instant death.
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