otherside

Cool, a run of the mill honda.....

9291150

Contrary to the bashers here, the SI is a nice little car and a great performance value, so have fun with it.

But if a car is causing you financial hardship...well, it ain't worth it. Buy used, something you can clearly afford, which doesn't seem to be the SI either. Based on what you've said, get yourself financially fit first, or you'll just get out of one mess into another.

prescriptionmazda

I think they feel threatened. They are scared they might get by a FWD car.

saturn

Agreed. Buying another new car seems odd to me.

HolyCross05

The Si is a great car. It was on the top of my list with the 8 but it was difficult to find one that I liked.

Stavesacre21

i must say, i never realized exactly how ugly that car was in comparison until you stuck it next to the 8. ouch.

reality does tend to hit you harder than a brick wall at times.


no joke here...I drove my Probe for a whole 4 days with all the snow, and as soon as they got the roads cleaned off, I took the 8 out again. It's like taking it home brand new all over again!....$5K less on the loan

CarAndDriver

Buyer's regret--that is a horrible feeling when it comes to cars.

Personally, I would not have bought the Civic Si. It is odd looking at the whole rice crowd high-theft and vandalism target turn me off. I used to drive a 1994 Acura Integra GS-R. I've had enough of that type of car.

I would have bought a VW GTI or a Mazdaspeed 3 or something else used like a Subaru Legacy GT or even a Cobalt SS.

BlueRenesis82

bingo.

must be nice to have both money and time to waste in large amounts

typej

I just can't justify paying MSRP or over MSRP for a new car. With depreciation in first three years, it's like worst investment ever. Hence the reason, I will never own Civic SI (dealers won't deal...)

But i do agree civic Si coupe is sweet car. It looks pretty awesome too with fancy interior.
Hope you have fun with your ride.

DarkBrew

Wow. I traded my civic in for my '8. I guess that we're heading in different directions. My problem with my '98 civic was mostly the dealership; They were completely clueless. The rest of my problem was that I bought the wrong car. I guess that I believed the magazines too much. All the glowing reviews for the civic are B.S. in my opinion. Fact is that a cheap car is a cheap car.
Your problem is when you bought the '8 you bought the wrong car for your needs. I wish you luck with your Si and I hope that your dealer is much better than mine was.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Wow, I expect Bias but the SI is a nice car for the money. I have seen many on the Autox course and they are quick when driven properly.

Ever Hernandez

Sounds a used Wrx wagon would've been a good compromise if you could get pass the stylin'. A relationship with the 8 is a long term comitment. It's like the smokin' hot girl of your dreams you're actually now datin'. She's high maintenance, she's got the looks, she's forgivin' when the road gets rough and rocks your world when you make the right moves! That's why you don't mind spending a little in accessories and other little things to make the day to day more interesting. I'm 26 and in many ways the 8 is just the perfect car for me.

Brettus

iTrader: (2)

could not have put it better myself LOL

Justarius

Umm, just how fast is a Civic Si? I was checking into an RSX Type S (research for a friend) since we don't have the RSX in Canada and I presumed it was on par with the Civic Si (pretty much same cars aren't they?). The scores I was finding were a couple high 6s (one 6.5) and a loooot more 7s. I hate to break it to you, but in no way is that as fast as an RX8 GT, straight line or not (and certainly HP is only 1 of many factors). I just watched a Japanese race (probably discussed many times before) where an RX8 A-spec absolutely hands it to an RSX Type R (as well as a Golf, an Alfa Romero and to a lesser extent, an S2000) and I'm positive a Type R is faster than a Type S. Maybe there are other races with different drivers and results? But in this one... not even close. 5.9-6.1 does not equate 6.8-7.2 or higher, non-pro driver or not that's a full second.

http://videos.streetfire.net/categor...a3007772b5.htm

I also read some reviews where the Mazdaspeed 3 hands it to the Civic Si, and it's rated slightly slower than the 8 for acceleration with worse handling and FWD tho certainly much closer to an Si.

I'm sure any 8 driver knows (and a lot speeding tickets will testify) that how fast the car FEELS it's going is in no way as fast as it usually is (the smooth rotary playing a big part in that). Many a time I have been shocked to see I was doing a good 60Km/h faster than I thought (cruising on empty highways and roaring up empty on-ramps and such).

Anyway, not to spark a big debate or anything and sort of off topic but I just thought this comment was inaccurate. I can't disagree with how the Civic feels to you (it felt decidedly underpowered to me), but the part about the comparative race. Plus I noticed there were some perspective buyers reading who may be misled. Now I did hear the 08 RSX Type S is predicting claims of 6.1...

As to your situation, I feel for ya. I bought an RX8 Special Ed. and my payments+gas+insurance were at a point where I could just squeak by. And then a good friend's Dad (who ran the company I worked for) committed a little act called nepotism and my buddy stole not only the promotion I had been offered (and was waiting for the ink to dry) but my entire job to boot. Next thing I knew, those gas fill ups were really starting to hurt. To make matters worse, I had to relocate to the GTA to pursue new career options and ended up in a place with outdoor parking (gasp!). Nothing breaks your heart like chipping/prying 3 inches of solid ice off your door in the morning. Sadly I find myself paying attention to Mazda 3 commercials. Alas, I refuse to take such a loss for the short term gain of decreased gas expenses. I'll suffer for my 8 just like it suffers for me every highway on-ramp.

Justarius

P.S. Please no lectures on the unimportance of 0-60 times or the difference between real life drivers and pros, I'm aware, I'm aware and I still think a Civic Si is not remotely in the same class!

llzjayarzll

id rather get the ms3 since its approx the same price, more then 1s faster in the 0-60, and the si warranty sucks i think.

mazda ftw = )

Ever Hernandez

I agree, the 8 is to perfectly balanced it doesn't feel like you're actually goin' 20mph over the speed limit. I do a lot of drivin' on the I-101. My route is a long stretch of freeway with several high speed turns and elevation changes I practically greet the cops by their first name. The Si and Rx8 are worlds apart! and yes I would take the MS3 any day over an Si. As a matter of fact the GF is thinkin' 'bout gettin' it. Keepin' my finger crossed.

Ike

You really need to move beyond the whole Jr. High 0-60 stuff... Plus, that's how quick a car is, not how fast a car is. After you get past the FWD disadvantage on the launch the RSX Type R, Civic SI, and RX-8 are all very close. Also, that video you posted is a modded RX-8. Here's a stock RX-8 going against a couple Type Rs. There's also another video where the RX-8 loses even worse to the ITR and other cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4U_Wj84XPU

The MS3 is noticably faster and quicker than the RX-8.

The reason why he thinks his SI is faster is most likely because of the power delivery. The VTEC kicking in makes just about every Honda fanboi think their car is a rocket and could never lose in 3rd gear

Justarius

- Like I said at the bottom, I'm aware of the significance or lack thereof of 0-60 times. Of course there's a shitload more to consider for overall performance, that's why I chose the RX8 over other similarly priced cars with better times. If it was all about the 0-60, I woulda gone another way.

But the bottom line is, time is time. 6.8 does not beat 5.9 in a straight line any way you slice it. Well unless one of the drivers isn't up to snuff. And that's what was being compared. He said straight line. Unless he means over 60mph, and I would be SHOCKED if driving down the highway, a Civic Si pulls up and then takes an RX8 to the mats.

- Secondly, yeah the race was an A-Spec, which as far as I know does not have major mods re: engine and horsepower, but more along the lines of flywheel, exhaust, suspension. Annnnnnnnd what do you suppose the Type R is? That race was A-Spec vs Type R. This whole thread is talking stock RX8 vs Si (Type S). I figured A-Spec vs Type R is a fairly close comparison since I have not seen stock vs Type S and A-Spec and Type R are both tuned thereby equalizing things.

You say your video is Stock vs *Type R*?? Well now, we're not comparing the same vehicle anymore are we? Same with the ITR. Are we not talking about "Racing tuned" (hence the type R badge) with these cars? Than what does that have to do with an Si or a stock RX8? Maybe I'm mistaken but I was under the impression Type R was an upgrade over S.

I figured my post was gonna stir up some misunderstanding. I guess bringing in 0-60 I asked for it. Ironical...

Re: MS3. See above. It goes from Point A on the road to Point B in a slower time... It can't corner as well, is less balanced, is not RWD yet is "noticeably faster?". Gonna need to see some proof on that claim. I'll test drive it myself once the weather gets nice. "Comparable on the straight" is more what I've been hearing about the MS3. And like the last 2 posters said, all the data out there is saying a chunk better than the Si. But I guess to stay on topic, the MS3 is priced higher than the Ci no? Mileage? Those were the poster's primary concerns and what the discussion evolved into... cost of ownership vs performance.

Justarius

P.S. As for the infamous VTEC kick, gee, that sounds a lot like how I feel around when the needle crosses 6500rpms and keeps going ;-)

Rootski

iTrader: (1)

WTF? You pound stats like 0-60 more than anybody. You're about the worst magazine racer here. I've seen you do this before in other threads... acting as if the half second an RX-8 is behind, for example, a Mustang GT in the 1/4 is insurmountably vast while the half second the Civic SI is behind an 8 is measured in inches.

I thought mods to the 8 didn't do anything, Ike.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

RSX Type S/SI vs. a RX8 in a straight line or otherwise is a drivers race. Period. 99% of the RX8's at the drag strip are at least 1/2 a second off of what they should run.

Jacques79

well even if the SI isn't a sports car, its steering-gearbox-clutch feel is amongst the best in the business and very comparable to an RX-8.

I have an S2000 and am currently hesitating between the 2 cause I need a car with a backseat. The only big thing missing in the SI is RWD....That might make it harder for me to chose the SI, but I'm still hesitating.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Yeah, when Honda makes a four seater RWD or AWD car with performance near the S2000 for under 35k I will jump ship from Mazda.

saturn

That's because the 5.9 second stat everyone loves to throw around only happens if you drop at 6k+ rpms. I feel like people should have to have documented proof from a drag strip that you can actually get the RX-8 to 60 in 5.9 seconds before they can start using it for comparisons.

saturn

That first statement is just the worst. I've seen numerous threads where Ike is promoting 1/4 mile trap SPEED over any 0-60 time or any time for that matter. I don't even know if I agree with that being the most useful metric to determine something about a car's performance, but he sure as hell doesn't throw around 0-60 times.

Times are stupid for a number of obvious reasons, but even more so with the 8. I honestly don't think 10% of the people on this forum could get the car to 60 mph in 5.9 seconds. And even if you could the toll it takes on your car is most certainly going to be much more than on a typical car with more low-end power resulting in the number of times you attempting it to be low.

prescriptionmazda

^yet another thread where it just comes down to 0-60 or 1/4 mile times....

Can we just get OVER this?