limepro

lol dude u should read some of the things that mazda reps and mechanics are saying about people who have had to get multiple engine replacements its hilarious ill have to find it and post some of their comments.

Red Devil

If you find them, please do post...

alnielsen

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We need to talk at the next meet.

Red Devil

Don't know when I'll be at the next one seeing that I don't have my car right now...you want to give me a call?

GalaxieFiveHundred

Just took my '05 in for 30K mile service and remarked to the service manager how reliable and bullet-proof the car has been. He chose his words carefully, stating that the most serious issues are typically related to users not adhereing to rotary operating and maintenance basics, yet also said severe ambient temperatures are still an Achilles heal for the engine. He stated that approximately 40 cars were awaiting engines in the Las Vegas area alone after the recent heat wave. Don't know the accuracy of the statement, but one would think he should know. Wonder how Arizona owners fared, or whether this is just an urban legend?

cornrowdpantha

I'm not sure how this thread got to the point of bickering... All it was was a guy posting a link to an ebay auction of what was described as an "Indestructable" item.

Clearly, we know that the renesis isn't indestructable: it can be destroyed by anything from operator stupidity, to ungodly ambient air temperatures in extremely hot environments. The joke isn't that "oh, the renesis sucks so it can't be described as indestructable". Rather, it is funny that the word indestructable would be used to describe something that has been killed, for some people, on multiple occasions for seemingly no reason.

Some of us do need to lighten up a bit...

Nubo

Not sure how that translate to "the user is at fault".

8 Maniac

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Now I'm no expert, but mazda did a recall on the engine... I'm assuming the damage would have been done over time, not at one single instance, even if it's only wearing it down a little. So given that mazda admitted a problem and has corrected it, some damage could have been done to the already existing engines. Wouldnt the biggest test be all engines produced after the recall? Just my thought... seems like any engines before that, even with recalls done, has a higher risk of failure.

Red Devil

I already explained how and when I believe the user is at fault. In no way was I just referring to the Renesis, rather the entire RX line as a whole and through the years what I have seen/experienced leads to trouble. My posts on page 1 made that very clear, I thought.

dragula53

I have said it before.

People who blame rotary engine problems on users are missing the point.

Being reliable (or indestructible) means that, in spite of user error, it functions as designed.

And rotaries are famous for not meeting this standard.

Not only that, rotaries are notorious for failing even if you do everything right. "driving in hot weather" should not be considered "user error".

I hate this discussion.

mac11

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tiggerlee

Well you know what they say....opinions are like ********...

dragula53

I'm a troll.

Look, I am about to buy an FD.

If you have to treat a car in a special way that no other car requires to achieve the same longevity, the car isn't reliable.

I never once had to think about the longevity of the STI's engine. I put gas in, I change the oil every 2,000 miles, and it works.

FD's aren't reliable either, but the one I want has the koyo radiator and silicon hoses. And I still expect to replace the engine at some point, because no matter how much premixing and babying I do, some day I am going to experience detonation... or overheating.. or any of a thousand other things.

Hell, ferarri's are notoriously unreliable too.

How many time has Jeremy Clarkson's Ford GT had problems?

You need to go into ownership with expectations.

If you are thinking about an rx-8, know that your mileage is going to blow and you will have to periodically add oil. It doesn't deal well with warm temperatures.. The center console sucks, the stereo is not user replaceable, and the A/C will suck because of the engine running warm.

I wouldn't want to own an rx-8 in too warm of a climate.. or somewhere where it snows too much (unless ya have a second car). it's just part of the decision making process.

You have to accept these things because that's just the way the rx-8 is.

Does that take away from any of the joy of driving the rx-8? Nah.

But don't delude yourself into thinking that the car has no issues.

Red Devil

LOL, I hope you're really ready for that FD. If the RX-8 irked you, get ready for a straight jacket.

And you shouldn't "expect to replace the engine at some point, because no matter how much premixing and babying I do, some day I am going to experience detonation... or overheating.. or any of a thousand other things."

If you do it right, and plan accordingly these things won't happen. The engine will someday let go, but it won't be a premature failure.

mac11

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maybe people need to stop going into ownership of a rotary with piston motor expectations. Just because a rotary has to be treated differently than a piston does not mean its unreliable. It just means its different.

Rems31

so I shouldn't expect my rotary engine NOT to flood the way I do with piston engines??

mac11

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You should expect it to flood if you dont do what you are told BY MAZDA to prevent it.

Don't have piston motor expectations. These motors are known to flood if you shut them down prematurely. Take care of the motor and it will take care of you.

Shini

Just thought I'd add I'm probably getting a new engine too. Compression loss ftw?!

I still love the car though...even if it is an AT

ViR2

you should blame owners for not taking proper care of their cars, not the engines.
If you WOT it all the time and run low on oil, or even fill her with cheap oil, then OK, these engines wont last long, but in normal conditions, with caring owner, they are hard to kill

Rems31

flooding = unreliable. If it can flood with regular use (that includes moving it a few feet then shutting off cold) then to me that's unreliable.

Red Devil

50K+ on my RX-8, I've never flooded it. I just don't turn it off cold. To me, that's not unreliable, that's adjusting to the needs of the product that I voluntarily purchased.

If I minded doing these things, I would have got a STi. I don't believe this engine is for everyone, and if the consumer isn't willing to accept its inherent quirks than clearly it isn't right for them.

mac11

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How the hell can it be unreliable if it is caused by improper use by the end user? I just don't get it?

"I blame santa clause for MY stupidity!"

Rems31

I know you're supposed to do all these things to prevent the flooding. But people can forget sometimes. It's human nature to forget. You can even lend it to someone and they forget. I almost forgot to tell the guys who tinted my windows that. He moved my car up his garage and was about to turn it off then I told him to rev the engine.

I think it's unreliable in the sense that people aren't surprised when the Renesis floods. Obviously there's a flaw in the design if that's a common occurence. If a company made a car that said don't turn on the radio and have your windows down at the same time or else the wheels will come off, would you consider that a reliable car or is that just a quirk of the car???

New Yorker

So I shouldn't expect my piston engine NOT to self-destruct if I don't change the timing belt, the way I don't have to with rotary engines??

Rems31

I'm talking about every day normal operations of the car. majority of people just buy a car and let their dealer/mechanic decide what needs replacing, maintained or whatnot...isn't that what reliability pertains to?