View Poll Results: Should Mazda extend factory warranty on Renesis to 100k miles and at least 7 yrs?
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Sticky? Petition Mazda To Extend Factory Warranty on Renesis 100k Miles and ? Years
02-23-2008, 01:43 PM
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you mean 5 years 60,000 i think the cars are holding up great and i see no reason to extend it. I would rather see some of the failuers be covered under TSB aka the clutch pedal.
02-23-2008, 03:31 PM
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I wonder how many people bought it not realizing its a rotary, and didn't take proper care of it. I'm not saying any of us are this way, but world wide that has to have an impact on its image. All it takes is the people who don't check oil, don't rev it, don't break it in right, don't let it warm up, and the other common mistakes for it to start looking unreliable. I know there are some that have problems from the factory, but I'm sure this number gets skewed by the people I referred to.
02-23-2008, 06:57 PM
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Double Dare or Physical Challange.
I double dare you 
to list 1 production car, that 'mid-cycle' added.. not change, added an additional part to the engine design, you can even use a 'Falange' if one is found. It's not an injector change, it's an injector addition. 
... i'll quit my B.F. about this from here forward if you can bring 1. It would take a class action law suit against MNAO to make them expand the engine update to pre-09' cars. Hell i'd be happy with just the injectors, but they went to the extent to accommodate for consumption, and from what i heard the OMP full electrical controlled my guess is to micromanage temperatures so it can fluctuate oil delivery. (thats a guess, with cheap processor technology in the last 2 years, it just makes sense).
I apologize if I sound like a punk, but i don't know of any company adding parts to an engine mid-cycle(Change an existing part to perform better yes) but not add. typically they hold off until the next iteration on a new chassis code.
uhh if you find something.. i'll buy you coffee... like starbucks?
In regards to TSBs that are recalls those expand to cars even outside the warranty, the clutch bracket hasn't ranked up there on the NHTSA . So unless there's a rampant increase, or related death all we can do is wait for BHR to provide a production replacement for it.
On a bright side, trade in at a Mazda dealer for a 16x should have a better return then trading it in elsewhere...
02-23-2008, 08:43 PM
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I double dare you to list 1 production car, that 'mid-cycle' added.. not change, added an additional part to the engine design, you can even use a 'Falange' if one is found. It's not an injector change, it's an injector addition. ... i'll quit my B.F. about this from here forward if you can bring 1. It would take a class action law suit against MNAO to make them expand the engine update to pre-09' cars. Hell i'd be happy with just the injectors, but they went to the extent to accommodate for consumption, and from what i heard the OMP full electrical controlled my guess is to micromanage temperatures so it can fluctuate oil delivery. (thats a guess, with cheap processor technology in the last 2 years, it just makes sense).
I apologize if I sound like a punk, but i don't know of any company adding parts to an engine mid-cycle(Change an existing part to perform better yes) but not add. typically they hold off until the next iteration on a new chassis code.
uhh if you find something.. i'll buy you coffee... like starbucks?
In regards to TSBs that are recalls those expand to cars even outside the warranty, the clutch bracket hasn't ranked up there on the NHTSA . So unless there's a rampant increase, or related death all we can do is wait for BHR to provide a production replacement for it.
On a bright side, trade in at a Mazda dealer for a 16x should have a better return then trading it in elsewhere...
No way would Mazda make such a change unless they identified the problem with the current version of the Renesis.
No disrespect to NYorker.
I still think a letter by a large group of 8 owner to Mazda Corporate could accomplish something.
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02-23-2008, 09:04 PM
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Acura did just that. There was a problem with some 1999 - 2003 5 speed auto trannys. Some were replaced, others had an extra oil injector installed. Acura increased the warranty period to 7 years/ 100,000 miles. I've been lucky so far with mine. I guess you could look at long warranties two ways, it must be crap or else they wouldn't have such a long warranty, or, they must believe in their product enough to know they won't be making many repairs.
02-24-2008, 01:09 AM
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Oil cooler return line?
Acura did just that. There was a problem with some 1999 - 2003 5 speed auto trannys. Some were replaced, others had an extra oil injector installed. Acura increased the warranty period to 7 years/ 100,000 miles. I've been lucky so far with mine. I guess you could look at long warranties two ways, it must be crap or else they wouldn't have such a long warranty, or, they must believe in their product enough to know they won't be making many repairs.
TSB:
http://www.acuraworld.com/tsb/3gTL/b04-020.pdf
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov
Make : ACURA Model : 3.2TL Year : 2003
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.) Mfr's Report Date : APR 13, 2004
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V176000
N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 1099796
02-24-2008, 11:46 AM
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That's a recall... It' would be great if they recalled all 03-08's to be spec'd to the 09... this is a revision to engine design going forward differentiating pre-09's. that TSB from Acura can be applied to the complete Manufacturers fleet. I'll agree on it being an addition... So i'll quit my moaning, that Acura reference though is a recall which can be 'retro-active' & is retro-active.... there's a link in this board somewhere, but i read a replacement to the rotor housing will need to be done to 'recall' this type of change for the additional injector. I spent 20 minutes looking for the 09 renesis white paper online with no luck. End result is oil changes are paramount, I would be shocked to hear a driver that has gone 100k+ with a lazy change schedule, and no revision to their OMP setup or flow.
TSB:
http://www.acuraworld.com/tsb/3gTL/b04-020.pdf
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov
Make : ACURA Model : 3.2TL Year : 2003
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.) Mfr's Report Date : APR 13, 2004
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V176000
N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 1099796
TSB:
http://www.acuraworld.com/tsb/3gTL/b04-020.pdf
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov
Make : ACURA Model : 3.2TL Year : 2003
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.) Mfr's Report Date : APR 13, 2004
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V176000
N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 1099796
That's what I'm talking about.
7 years, 100k miles.
Take care of the customer.
02-25-2008, 03:08 PM
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Yeah, i guess you're correct. It did turn into a recall. Still, have there been enough engine issues to merit a recall? Just asking, i don't know. It sure would make those owners who have had an engine swap feel a bit better if they did extend the warranty to 7/100. Even those who have had no engine problems might keep their cars longer. I've read a few posts here where owners don't plan on keeping the car much beyond the warranty period.
02-25-2008, 03:29 PM
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I don't think people will ever think like this.
No one really KNOWS or understands about how much bad rep has been generated on the 8 UNLESS you really do really go do your research. IE: looking through this forum, Automotive related blog sites, etc. Most people that I talk to personally who own the 8 are totally clueless about this site.
Most of the time I hear, "Oh you drive a rotary engine??? I heard it was really reliable and phast!".
Look at reviews from notable automotive review sites. They all praise the RX8 for it's nimble feet and it's suicide doors, etc. They also bash it on gas mileage.... but thats about it when it comes to bashing. You don't really hear much about it's reliability/recalls when reading the reviews.
The reason why I bring that up is that the "hardcore" Rx8 owners who frequent this site are the only ones who really know/hear about the 8's integrity. (Or lack thereof)
Extending the warranty would be a great plus on Mazda, especially in the public affairs department. I highly doubt they will offer anything up to 100,000 miles though.
No one really KNOWS or understands about how much bad rep has been generated on the 8 UNLESS you really do really go do your research. IE: looking through this forum, Automotive related blog sites, etc. Most people that I talk to personally who own the 8 are totally clueless about this site.
Most of the time I hear, "Oh you drive a rotary engine??? I heard it was really reliable and phast!".
Look at reviews from notable automotive review sites. They all praise the RX8 for it's nimble feet and it's suicide doors, etc. They also bash it on gas mileage.... but thats about it when it comes to bashing. You don't really hear much about it's reliability/recalls when reading the reviews.
The reason why I bring that up is that the "hardcore" Rx8 owners who frequent this site are the only ones who really know/hear about the 8's integrity. (Or lack thereof)
Extending the warranty would be a great plus on Mazda, especially in the public affairs department. I highly doubt they will offer anything up to 100,000 miles though.
02-25-2008, 04:02 PM
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. . . Sports cars in general have more risk because they're lower production. But that should be an accepted risk, in return for not being one of the gray masses.
IMHO, it's kind of incongruous that people who buy sports cars would also have a Consumers Union attitude about reliability and long warranties. What ever happend to hedonism?
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IMHO, it's kind of incongruous that people who buy sports cars would also have a Consumers Union attitude about reliability and long warranties. What ever happend to hedonism?
Ken
I find myself agreeing with you alot. You're obviously a sharp guy. That being said, I'd take the extra warranty as a freebie. Doubt it will happen, but if it's free, it's for me.
Personally, I'd say just pay the extra for a third party warranty. Why would you want Mazda to extend it just so they can then void it?
Plus you could avoid actually using a dealership for work, as that's like kindergarten for mechanics. Once they figure out that a round peg will not fit properly in a square hole they move on to another shop.
02-25-2008, 04:25 PM
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Do the magazines that test and compare the 8 have these cars in the long run? For sure if you have it for a few days, then you would probably not experience any engine failures. While people on this forum own 8s and would see the actual, long term reliability of the car. How can they comment on the reliability if they only test it for a weekend's worth of driving?
"In short, we adored the RX-8 when entertaining roads were on the schedule and tolerated its annoyances the rest of the time. And although our RX-8 may be loved by the oil companies, it didn't make as many pals in the service department as its predecessor."
edmunds.com, Long-Term Test/2004 RX-8/18,805 miles
"Sports car attributes such as stellar handling, slick gear changes and superb steering feedback are all expected and present, yet a comfortable ride and a relatively quiet cockpit mean that the RX-8 makes a fine daily driver. Our only big complaint lies with the sub-18-mpg fuel usage, which of course is probably due chiefly to our enthusiastic driving styles. Then again, good entertainment usually isn't cheap."
Road & Track, 10/06: Long-Term Test/50,963 miles
RELIABILITY: EXCELLENT
"Our long-term test Of the mazda RX-8 has ended. We miss the car. Everyone who drove it enjoyed its sinfully smooth engine and sporty nature. For all the things it does right, it’s a shame it isn’t perfect. A collection of trivial faults diminish what is otherwise a wonderful car — these are the type of faults that may be irrelevant to some, but of utmost importance to others. After 50,000 miles we’ve sorted them out and can tell you what to expect of ownership.
Two warranty issues were taken care of by the dealer at no cost. A rattling rear speaker was replaced, and a new center console lid was installed when the original’s stopped working. As with most of our long-term cars we had to replace tires; a total of six sticky Bridgestone Potenza RE040s were needed. The front brake rotors warped and needed to be turned once, and new pads were added. Combined with oil changes and regular dealer service, the cost of routine maintenance was low. Fuel economy at 17.5 mpg is on the low side of average, and the high price of gasoline today accounted for the extra cost per mile. Depreciation was about normal and so the cost per mile result is just about average."
02-25-2008, 05:36 PM
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Car and Driver, 9/05: Long-Term Test/40,000 miles
"In short, we adored the RX-8 when entertaining roads were on the schedule and tolerated its annoyances the rest of the time. And although our RX-8 may be loved by the oil companies, it didn't make as many pals in the service department as its predecessor."
edmunds.com, Long-Term Test/2004 RX-8/18,805 miles
"Sports car attributes such as stellar handling, slick gear changes and superb steering feedback are all expected and present, yet a comfortable ride and a relatively quiet cockpit mean that the RX-8 makes a fine daily driver. Our only big complaint lies with the sub-18-mpg fuel usage, which of course is probably due chiefly to our enthusiastic driving styles. Then again, good entertainment usually isn't cheap."
Road & Track, 10/06: Long-Term Test/50,963 miles
RELIABILITY: EXCELLENT
"Our long-term test Of the mazda RX-8 has ended. We miss the car. Everyone who drove it enjoyed its sinfully smooth engine and sporty nature. For all the things it does right, it’s a shame it isn’t perfect. A collection of trivial faults diminish what is otherwise a wonderful car — these are the type of faults that may be irrelevant to some, but of utmost importance to others. After 50,000 miles we’ve sorted them out and can tell you what to expect of ownership.
Two warranty issues were taken care of by the dealer at no cost. A rattling rear speaker was replaced, and a new center console lid was installed when the original’s stopped working. As with most of our long-term cars we had to replace tires; a total of six sticky Bridgestone Potenza RE040s were needed. The front brake rotors warped and needed to be turned once, and new pads were added. Combined with oil changes and regular dealer service, the cost of routine maintenance was low. Fuel economy at 17.5 mpg is on the low side of average, and the high price of gasoline today accounted for the extra cost per mile. Depreciation was about normal and so the cost per mile result is just about average."
"In short, we adored the RX-8 when entertaining roads were on the schedule and tolerated its annoyances the rest of the time. And although our RX-8 may be loved by the oil companies, it didn't make as many pals in the service department as its predecessor."
edmunds.com, Long-Term Test/2004 RX-8/18,805 miles
"Sports car attributes such as stellar handling, slick gear changes and superb steering feedback are all expected and present, yet a comfortable ride and a relatively quiet cockpit mean that the RX-8 makes a fine daily driver. Our only big complaint lies with the sub-18-mpg fuel usage, which of course is probably due chiefly to our enthusiastic driving styles. Then again, good entertainment usually isn't cheap."
Road & Track, 10/06: Long-Term Test/50,963 miles
RELIABILITY: EXCELLENT
"Our long-term test Of the mazda RX-8 has ended. We miss the car. Everyone who drove it enjoyed its sinfully smooth engine and sporty nature. For all the things it does right, it’s a shame it isn’t perfect. A collection of trivial faults diminish what is otherwise a wonderful car — these are the type of faults that may be irrelevant to some, but of utmost importance to others. After 50,000 miles we’ve sorted them out and can tell you what to expect of ownership.
Two warranty issues were taken care of by the dealer at no cost. A rattling rear speaker was replaced, and a new center console lid was installed when the original’s stopped working. As with most of our long-term cars we had to replace tires; a total of six sticky Bridgestone Potenza RE040s were needed. The front brake rotors warped and needed to be turned once, and new pads were added. Combined with oil changes and regular dealer service, the cost of routine maintenance was low. Fuel economy at 17.5 mpg is on the low side of average, and the high price of gasoline today accounted for the extra cost per mile. Depreciation was about normal and so the cost per mile result is just about average."
02-25-2008, 06:00 PM
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I'll sign a petition, though I don't think Mazda will comply. I could use a second extention on the powertrain warranty, since my 04 auto warranty lapses this November, and I'm on my second engine. I don't have confidence in my engine and will probably buy an extended warranty.
02-25-2008, 10:01 PM
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This thread is starting to bother me. I know it's well intended, but it's also the latest in a series of threads that, I think, falsely create the impression that the 8 has a serious reliability problem. Just about every magazine that's done a long-term test on the 8 has rated its reliability average or higher, including the conservative Consumer Reports, which recently upgraded their reliability rating of the 8 and added it to their list of Recommended Cars. Consumer Reports does not recommend cars with poor or suspect reliability.
Yet here, at what's really a virtual RX-8 Complaint Department, Renesis engines are dropping like flies. This is a perfect example of the internet at its worst, creating a parallel Bizarro reality that flies in the face of what's actually happening in the real world, as reported in legitimate sources like Car and Driver, Road & Track, edmunds. com, Consumer Reports and many others.
In fact, the very question this thread poses strikes me as unfair. Wouldn't the vast majority of owners of any car vote yes, I'd like to have my warranty extended? That's like asking someone if they'd like their rent lowered, or if they'd like Starbucks to offer a free refill with every cup of coffee.
Yet here, at what's really a virtual RX-8 Complaint Department, Renesis engines are dropping like flies. This is a perfect example of the internet at its worst, creating a parallel Bizarro reality that flies in the face of what's actually happening in the real world, as reported in legitimate sources like Car and Driver, Road & Track, edmunds. com, Consumer Reports and many others.
In fact, the very question this thread poses strikes me as unfair. Wouldn't the vast majority of owners of any car vote yes, I'd like to have my warranty extended? That's like asking someone if they'd like their rent lowered, or if they'd like Starbucks to offer a free refill with every cup of coffee.
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02-26-2008, 09:30 AM
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The 8 is a unique automobile with the potential for unique problems as well. Of course I would go for extended warranty, who wouldn't? In retrospect, given the teething problems of the 04s, I would have waited a year (but I needed to buy a car in 04) or would have purchased the extended warranty for the peace of mind.
On the other hand, I have 77K on mine with no engine problems. All MSPs done, a couple of minor warranty issues (one flood when my wife stalled the engine cold, one tail light moisture, transmission wouldn't shift into 6th but repaired quickly). I haven't been impressed with dealership service departments. But overall, I really enjoy the 8 and it has been very reliable.
Information from this site has been most helpful and has kept me aware of the unique maintenance needed for this engine. I decided to begin pre-mixing around 60K and now considering higher viscosity oils for the warm months. With good maintenance (mostly my own) and a little luck I believe that I'll have mine for quite a few more years and miles.
On the other hand, I have 77K on mine with no engine problems. All MSPs done, a couple of minor warranty issues (one flood when my wife stalled the engine cold, one tail light moisture, transmission wouldn't shift into 6th but repaired quickly). I haven't been impressed with dealership service departments. But overall, I really enjoy the 8 and it has been very reliable.
Information from this site has been most helpful and has kept me aware of the unique maintenance needed for this engine. I decided to begin pre-mixing around 60K and now considering higher viscosity oils for the warm months. With good maintenance (mostly my own) and a little luck I believe that I'll have mine for quite a few more years and miles.
02-26-2008, 02:02 PM
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This thread is starting to bother me. I know it's well intended, but it's also the latest in a series of threads that, I think, falsely create the impression that the 8 has a serious reliability problem. Just about every magazine that's done a long-term test on the 8 has rated its reliability average or higher, including the conservative Consumer Reports, which recently upgraded their reliability rating of the 8 and added it to their list of Recommended Cars. Consumer Reports does not recommend cars with poor or suspect reliability.
Yet here, at what's really a virtual RX-8 Complaint Department, Renesis engines are dropping like flies. This is a perfect example of the internet at its worst, creating a parallel Bizarro reality that flies in the face of what's actually happening in the real world, as reported in legitimate sources like Car and Driver, Road & Track, edmunds. com, Consumer Reports and many others.
In fact, the very question this thread poses strikes me as unfair. Wouldn't the vast majority of owners of any car vote yes, I'd like to have my warranty extended? That's like asking someone if they'd like their rent lowered, or if they'd like Starbucks to offer a free refill with every cup of coffee.
Yet here, at what's really a virtual RX-8 Complaint Department, Renesis engines are dropping like flies. This is a perfect example of the internet at its worst, creating a parallel Bizarro reality that flies in the face of what's actually happening in the real world, as reported in legitimate sources like Car and Driver, Road & Track, edmunds. com, Consumer Reports and many others.
In fact, the very question this thread poses strikes me as unfair. Wouldn't the vast majority of owners of any car vote yes, I'd like to have my warranty extended? That's like asking someone if they'd like their rent lowered, or if they'd like Starbucks to offer a free refill with every cup of coffee.
However, I really would like to see an accurate statistical analysis of catastrophic failures of the Renesis, whether sorted by model year, or even in the aggregate.
See, it's the total catastrophic failure issue that is causing what you may perceive to be unwarranted fear, IMO.
When people that we actually know here talk about how their motor failed, and had to be replaced by a rebuild, and then some of these very same people, again who are well known and credible, talk of repeated rebuilds (some of whom are on their third motor), I think cause for concern is justified.
And I know it's not scientific, but the poll that was taken on this very forum shows what I consider to be an much higher than normal engine failure rate. I know that the results are not statistically valid....but still.
02-26-2008, 03:46 PM
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This thread is starting to bother me. I know it's well intended, but it's also the latest in a series of threads that, I think, falsely create the impression that the 8 has a serious reliability problem. Just about every magazine that's done a long-term test on the 8 has rated its reliability average or higher, including the conservative Consumer Reports, which recently upgraded their reliability rating of the 8 and added it to their list of Recommended Cars. Consumer Reports does not recommend cars with poor or suspect reliability.
Yet here, at what's really a virtual RX-8 Complaint Department, Renesis engines are dropping like flies. This is a perfect example of the internet at its worst, creating a parallel Bizarro reality that flies in the face of what's actually happening in the real world, as reported in legitimate sources like Car and Driver, Road & Track, edmunds. com, Consumer Reports and many others.
In fact, the very question this thread poses strikes me as unfair. Wouldn't the vast majority of owners of any car vote yes, I'd like to have my warranty extended? That's like asking someone if they'd like their rent lowered, or if they'd like Starbucks to offer a free refill with every cup of coffee.
Yet here, at what's really a virtual RX-8 Complaint Department, Renesis engines are dropping like flies. This is a perfect example of the internet at its worst, creating a parallel Bizarro reality that flies in the face of what's actually happening in the real world, as reported in legitimate sources like Car and Driver, Road & Track, edmunds. com, Consumer Reports and many others.
In fact, the very question this thread poses strikes me as unfair. Wouldn't the vast majority of owners of any car vote yes, I'd like to have my warranty extended? That's like asking someone if they'd like their rent lowered, or if they'd like Starbucks to offer a free refill with every cup of coffee.
The Renesis engine is not unreliable by any means. It may not last as long as a honda motor, but that doesn't make it unreliable. The fact you see veterans here with multiple motor replacements is more likely the fact that they drive their cars to the limit (autocross anyone? drag racing?) and frequently they run them modified.
I see this thread title and I think to myself "damn. the only impression that someone looking to buy an RX-8 will get from this website is that they're as reliable as a ford."
The OP posts about wanting actual scientific data, and then starts a poll with an unscientific question, hoping to get valid data from it, by posting the poll to people who are all biased about the issue.