RufusVonStorm

You're lucky, I did almost the exact same thing to my 8 and with parts and labor at a high quality shop it was over $3k to repair

Drive without TCS at your own risk!

ken-x8

That brings up another point in favor of getting the insurance company involved. If there's a loan on the car, the lender has a stake in whether the car is fixed properly.

Ken

shazy

Happy 1000th post!



Ugh, I say go with Insurance, you are better off and you can get the job done at any awesome place you choose. It doesn't matter if you feel bad for the @ the garage who is going to do your work, just atleast use insurance for your repairs.

Everyone on this thread is saying that. Don't understand why you wont do that.

But hey what do i know?

lokaldisruption

so the 8 was in teh care of the mechanic repairing the axle parts n what not and he flooded the car... well at least thats what im assuming...and now the car doesnt start...tried a few tricks from these forums but didnt work...the people next door quincidently fix stuff like that so they are going to clean the spark plugs for around 100$....rip off??? or mayb even more...any ideas whats up? and who should be responsible for the flooding? him rite? or 50/50 for me not telling him not to shut it off if its not warmed up yet.......please help

ferrocene

Wow, sorry dude. Like every single poster has said, have the damn car towed to a known reliable shop and go through insurance. This car isn't a toy (in the sense of a cheap daewoo).

You have been warned multiple times by multiple people who mean well, and by now they probably have given up on you. It's turning into comedy now, sad to say. This sounds an awful lot like the other thread where a guy kept overheating and refused to take it into a shop for 4 months, yet kept asking for advice.

I just don't understand.

You do realize that people who gave you advice (^above^) are super-smart mechanics and/or race their cars on weekends, right? They're not some bar-fly in a dark alley giving you advice.

lokaldisruption

ya btu the thing is from what i saw the mechanic fixed everything. and just made the minor mistake of turning off the car too ealry...didnt think about warning him of the possible flooding the engine...how much you think it costs for a dealer to clean spark plugs?

ferrocene

To answer you more directly, I don't know, maybe others will. The only time my car was flooded (by my roommate when I was out of town), it was towed to the dealership and it was fixed for free - I didn't pay a cent to tow or repair.

What is your warranty situation?

This mechanic clearly hasn't worked on rotaries before.

Edit: I wouldn't pay a damn thing, let the mechanic figure it out. It's not your fault this happened, it's a known issue.

Mechanic needs to:

GaMEChld

It's flooded? De-flood procedure. Fails, like it does for me? Pull Start always works.

lokaldisruption

where is pull start? what is? couldnt find this... and warranty is not avail cuz im sec owner n do my own oil n what now so dont no much about warranty

ILoveFI

Wow, I'm gone for a few weeks and it seems like all the guys here have become a lot nicer and not tearing him a new one.

I don't understand but you seem to not be able to afford this car and are running on bald tires in the rain? I mean it seems like you were just asking for this to happen. I have bald tires on my 8 at the moment in the rear and have had no time to change them out which is why I have been driving my s13.

If you are going to be buying a car be sure you can afford to to pay for the insurance that won't bite you in the butt if you have an accident.

Your wheel if it was bent in any way will never balance 100% correctly again from slamming into the curb. As for the suspension work it will never be the same since after you mess it up its almost impossible to get perfect again. I put a s14 240sx into a garage hopping onto a curb when i was stupid and wrecked the tie rods and a few other things, the car never drove straight again.

Those "metal bars" that you describe are generally very important suspension components and although to you may not seem to be worth much they are generally very precisely made and have to be up to a certain quality in materials which is why they cost so much.

I say let the insurance deal with it as paying with cash is never the way as stated before there is no paper trail and if anything goes wrong the mechanic can just deny it. Especially since I know a lot of guys who just used scrapped parts from pick n' pull and charge OEM prices for 'parts and labor'. Get insurance to pay for it and get it done RIGHT the first time.

GaMEChld

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...fo%2FQuestions

Thats the sticky.

Here's an older thread where I explained pull-starting from scratch:
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/figures-happened-me-159552/

Here is the specific post you may find useful:
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...9&postcount=15

Davey's RX-8

iTrader: (1)

But he's smarter than we are.....

ken-x8

The warranty goes with the car. It's automatically transferred to a new owner: you don't have to do anything for the transfer to work. As long as you're within the time and mileage, you've got a warranty. 4 years, 48k miles bumper to bumper, 5 years 60K powertrain, and 8 years 100K engine.

You also get free roadside assistance if you're within the bumper-to-bumper. Also a free loaner car if your car is laid up for warranty work. Flooding should be covered by the bumper-to-bumper.

Ken

lokaldisruption

is this a gurantee to work? will it work just as cleaning the spark plugs will?

and for the warranty...i gues ill have to look more into it wen i get it bak now. its around 70,000 miles from 04

GaMEChld

Yes, it should work. Unless somehow your sparkplugs were eaten by a gnome... then you might be out of luck. But really, as long as your spark plugs are in working condition, and your battery is charged and ready to go, there is no reason for this method to fail.

Just use common sense when doing it. That hook is meant for tie downs, not serious towing, so don't slam the pedal down on the towing car, go slow and gentle. However, when its all said and done, that hook is screwing into our bumper support bar, which is a monster, and certainly up to the task of a pull start. The main point is, you need consistent momentum, doesnt matter if you pull, push, or roll it down a moderate hill. Pushing I think would require 2 guys at least.

And obviously, this is only for manual transmission cars. Just make sure you don't plow into the car towing you when you start revving the engine, clutch-out of gear.

And doing this on snowed/iced roads with summer tires is very difficult (from experience). Wheels will sooner lock up than spin the engine XD

Anyway, it may sound like a big complicated production if you never did it before, but it is a simple and quick way to deflood.

However, I am obligated to point out that people are unsure of what the long term affects of pull starting a flooded engine are on the catalytic converter. Some speculate that the burning of excess fuel in this fashion will do some minor damage to it. If its once in a long while, I'd say its fine. If you are flooding multiple times a season, I'd go with a different method. (I'd also slam head into wall for flooding it that often.)

I find myself explaining this too often, maybe I should write up a DIY...

lokaldisruption

ill be sure to keep that in mind. but bak to updates on my car. everything is fixed...at least so i thot. turns out when i hit the curb, th backr right rear wheel bent as well....so turns out i new a new 18inch mazda rim...any1 got any ideas where to buy 1?

ken-x8

At 70,000 miles the warranty is gone. All that's left is the 100K internal engine parts warranty - which would be useful if your engine blows.

Ken

Davey's RX-8

iTrader: (1)

Good thing your insurance appraiser did a thorough job and won't need to do a supplemental check. Oh wait.....

GaMEChld

You know what, this thread angers me too much, I have to unsubscribe. GL with everything. People need to have a certain level of responsibility when becoming a member of the driving community. Asking specific unique questions about the RX-8 is one thing, but needing everyone to hold your hand through this accident recovery when it seems all advice is being ignored about talking to insurance is not cool. I hope the car heals up nice, but that's more for the car's sake than yours.

lokaldisruption

im simply asking for advice....
as for insurance...i simply cant afford the jump in monthly payments for reporting this as ac accident.
iv been posting simple questions and did get the car starting agin...(cleaned the spark plugs)
so the only thing left is the rim. got one off ebay for 200$...just waiting for that to come in and i should be on my way to get new tires...
total cost without new tires=1250$
i simply cant afford to go through insurance and pay the increased rates the rest of my life....id rather eat the cost now vs the next years. does no one understand that?
and ask for the warranty...i prolly coulda saved 50$ by contacting mazda dealer but hell with it...all fine now.

dfweyer

Sucks to hear that... about wrecked mine a few weeks back in the snow.

Davey's RX-8

iTrader: (1)

Let me put this in terms, even a caveman (Copyright 2007) would understand. You're an idiot. For having a $1,000 deductible. For having insurance and not using it. For not knowing how insurance works. For ignoring the good advice you received here.

It's obvious you can't afford to own the car if you can't afford the insurance.

I had one small comprehensive claim, one large comprehensive claim, and one large (not at fault) collision claim in 12 months. Did I go through insurance? You bet your *** I did. Car ended up better than before in two of the instances because they used new parts and even replaced slightly worn parts not damaged. And the lower deductible saved me $1,500 than it would have if I cheaped out to save $50/year with a higher deductible. Point here is you've been completely *** backwards from day one on this accident.

ferg

lol yeah, hes an idiot

lokaldisruption

the only thing your rite about is the fact that i cant afford this car.
other than that your completely wrong.
your monthly payments are much much high than mine are.
since i cannot afford huge monthly payments such as yours i have to get a higher premium. so i'm not paying a shitload every month. that is the point of a higher premium.
and because of my young age of course insurance companies charge alot more.
so put yourself in my situation and then you will understand.
the only thing you can truly blame me for is the fact of having my dream car that i cannot afford. but managing to keep.

ken-x8

Lokal-

A new OE wheel lists for close to $600. You can get a new one on-line from a dealer for something in the 400s. Or you can check the for sales here (or e-bay) for a lot less. Since a lot of people replace the originals, there are a lot out there.

Your wheel might be repairable. I had a bent and curbrashed rim fixed for $150. I used a place called Wheelworx in Maryland, which doesn't do you much good but there are places like that all around the country. I'll bet a local body shop can steer you to one. Or maybe a member here knows of one. Or there's always UPS.

Gang - I think he's been bashed enough. He's stretched thin, and seems to have put thought into his course of action. We're also not in his shoes. I remember two other accident repair threads where the OPs got pounded for not following orders, but by the time the smoke cleared their actions made sense.

Ken