rx8 turbo info needed
02-23-2012, 02:48 PM
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thanks again.
02-23-2012, 02:52 PM
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Oh you have searched? So what turbo do you have? What manifold will you use? What piping will you use? What inter-cooler will you use? What will you use to tune it? Who will you use to tune it?
This was your question? So you want us to tell you how to fab piping for a turbo kit? GTFO Noob.
This was your question? So you want us to tell you how to fab piping for a turbo kit? GTFO Noob.
02-23-2012, 03:00 PM
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In your searching you must have somehow missed this, it has everything you need .
http://www.ebay.com/itm/32-X13-X3-25...ht_2833wt_1139
http://www.ebay.com/itm/32-X13-X3-25...ht_2833wt_1139
02-23-2012, 03:13 PM
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In your searching you must have somehow missed this, it has everything you need .
http://www.ebay.com/itm/32-X13-X3-25...ht_2833wt_1139
http://www.ebay.com/itm/32-X13-X3-25...ht_2833wt_1139
im actually looking at one right now. funny that you add that. im not exactly rich. nor to i plan on spending 6 grand on a pointless piece of equipment. this is a home project im doing and actually looking forward to building this custom not being a tool like most on this site that buys everything premade for their car. so i have a VR4 turbo ( which im rebuilding my self) i have a cobb tuner and a company down the road works directly with Mazdas and dynos/maping and what ever have you. im looking for someone that installed one them selves and doesnt mind spending 10-15 minutes answering a few questions if this isnt you then just leave this thread. im not looking for smart *** ignorant folks to comment cause frankly your comments arent wanted unless your willing to aid.
thanks again, again.
02-23-2012, 03:16 PM
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lmfao you take this to serious dude. why not get out and about and experience the world instead of getting BUTT hurt over a thread askin for help. its **** like you need to jack up the engine, remove electrical wires, run the piping near the radiator. **** that might get in the way of a first time personally installed turbo.
02-23-2012, 03:23 PM
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From my New Owners thread: https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/new-potential-owners-start-here-202454/
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Why are we so hard / harsh on newbies?
You may notice that many new owners join this forum and promptly create a thread that generates lots of negative feedback from the people already here, the newbie ends up getting butthurt about it and claims it's a "mean forum" or "we are all dicks", etc... Not every newbie of course, and just the fact that you are reading this thread means you probably won't subject yourself to that. But why do we do it?
Here is a fantastic post from TeamRX8 on why.
Most of the people that are being the hammer for those nails use either the New Posts feature (https://www.rx8club.com/search.php?do=getnew) or the Live! feature (https://www.rx8club.com/misc.php?product=vblive) (both are in your top bar under the banner), and see posts with issues pretty quickly. We do not use these features with the express intention of flaming and bashing. We use them so that when someone posts up an actual issue that needs actual help, we can react quickly to their request.
We do not do this because we are paid to do it, we do it because we believe in our community (at one level or another). We want to improve it and make it better, so as we have time during our normal lives we look for issues we can help with, we look for new ideas, new projects, etc... But, in the process, we see all the garbage that people clutter the forum with because they feel themselves above reading what has already been posted, and that garbage gets to us. So thank you for reading, and your help is certainly appreciated in guiding people this way too.
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I should also note that you are TOTALLY over your head. If you aren't willing to read the threads that people point you to, we don't expect you to be willing to read the responses to your own thread.
Your responses point to a complete lack of an level of respect given. Even the very first post is basically telling the people here "I know you did some work, and I want to mooch off of that and be as lazy as possible. I don't want to do work myself, so any way that I can leech from you is good with me!" You, like every other newbie, has the option to ask questions the way you did. But we also have the option to slam the door in your face for doing so. Plenty of other newbies manage to ask questions and get answers without pissing all over us in the process.
So yes, we aren't inclined to be respectful to you. And this is probably going to be one of the most civilized responses you are going to get.
PS: It's always humorous how the newbies that are showing how little they know about what they are dealing with tell the people that are actually out there doing it hands on "go learn something" Why don't you start reading 9k's turbo installation thread? For example. With your reading skills, it should only take you a week or two.
__________________________________________________ ___________________________________________
Why are we so hard / harsh on newbies?
You may notice that many new owners join this forum and promptly create a thread that generates lots of negative feedback from the people already here, the newbie ends up getting butthurt about it and claims it's a "mean forum" or "we are all dicks", etc... Not every newbie of course, and just the fact that you are reading this thread means you probably won't subject yourself to that. But why do we do it?
Here is a fantastic post from TeamRX8 on why.
This involves several issues. The first being that you can't see beyond your own immediate needs and wants. This is not Wiki8Club. It took many of us years and years of involvement and reading to amass the knowledge.
Imagine somebody coming here daily, in fact it is often multiple people daily, asking if not demanding the same information over and over again. We are not your on demand servants. We are people just like you with other priorities and demands in our lives, limited time, our own personal interests for being here, etc. Why should we spend that time catering to people that come here seeking instant gratification?
That leaves us with two options. We can either ignore you completely or we can tell that the info is here if you bother to make the effort. However, over several years of telling people this you eventually get fed up dealing with the continuous stream of people seeking instant gratification yet you still would rather point them in the right direction so you just bark at them to get the point across. Imagine someone coming to your house, going to your living room, pulling their pants down, and taking a dump right there on the carpet just because they didn't know any better. You might be annoyed and yet also understanding because they didn't know any better. Now imagine this being a different person doing this every day. It wouldn't be long before you just as soon they go away and never come back.
Almost every day there is some clueless dolt posting a tech or troubleshooting question in the DiY area, despite there being a sticky thread at the top saying to only post threads there with DIY instructions and subsequent discussion of same. The real issue is that people think they are free to just come here and do as they damn well please and there's no need for etiquette, rules, structure, or organization unless it serves their own personal interest.
Well guess what? We're not here to cater to new uninformed people that come in here trampling all over everything regardless if they're ignorant, just don't care, or whatever. This is like any social community and so if you make waves you better expect to deal with it. If you don't like it then get the f' out because the established community could care less about some newbie whining about not getting what they want immediately. We do care about you clogging up the search engine with useless threads on already established subjects, which there is a dedicated thread on this very subject in this same forum area no less. It took me 10 minutes to explain this. Now imagine multiple people daily requiring it, so you make a Sticky thread at the top that says "read this first" and yet every single new person just like yourself thinks they are beyond trying to fit in properly so that this forum operates smoothly for all of us.
You probably don't read Japanese, but the line in my sig is a well known Japanese proverb that reads "the nail that sticks out gets hammered". You made yourself that nail.
Imagine somebody coming here daily, in fact it is often multiple people daily, asking if not demanding the same information over and over again. We are not your on demand servants. We are people just like you with other priorities and demands in our lives, limited time, our own personal interests for being here, etc. Why should we spend that time catering to people that come here seeking instant gratification?
That leaves us with two options. We can either ignore you completely or we can tell that the info is here if you bother to make the effort. However, over several years of telling people this you eventually get fed up dealing with the continuous stream of people seeking instant gratification yet you still would rather point them in the right direction so you just bark at them to get the point across. Imagine someone coming to your house, going to your living room, pulling their pants down, and taking a dump right there on the carpet just because they didn't know any better. You might be annoyed and yet also understanding because they didn't know any better. Now imagine this being a different person doing this every day. It wouldn't be long before you just as soon they go away and never come back.
Almost every day there is some clueless dolt posting a tech or troubleshooting question in the DiY area, despite there being a sticky thread at the top saying to only post threads there with DIY instructions and subsequent discussion of same. The real issue is that people think they are free to just come here and do as they damn well please and there's no need for etiquette, rules, structure, or organization unless it serves their own personal interest.
Well guess what? We're not here to cater to new uninformed people that come in here trampling all over everything regardless if they're ignorant, just don't care, or whatever. This is like any social community and so if you make waves you better expect to deal with it. If you don't like it then get the f' out because the established community could care less about some newbie whining about not getting what they want immediately. We do care about you clogging up the search engine with useless threads on already established subjects, which there is a dedicated thread on this very subject in this same forum area no less. It took me 10 minutes to explain this. Now imagine multiple people daily requiring it, so you make a Sticky thread at the top that says "read this first" and yet every single new person just like yourself thinks they are beyond trying to fit in properly so that this forum operates smoothly for all of us.
You probably don't read Japanese, but the line in my sig is a well known Japanese proverb that reads "the nail that sticks out gets hammered". You made yourself that nail.
Most of the people that are being the hammer for those nails use either the New Posts feature (https://www.rx8club.com/search.php?do=getnew) or the Live! feature (https://www.rx8club.com/misc.php?product=vblive) (both are in your top bar under the banner), and see posts with issues pretty quickly. We do not use these features with the express intention of flaming and bashing. We use them so that when someone posts up an actual issue that needs actual help, we can react quickly to their request.
We do not do this because we are paid to do it, we do it because we believe in our community (at one level or another). We want to improve it and make it better, so as we have time during our normal lives we look for issues we can help with, we look for new ideas, new projects, etc... But, in the process, we see all the garbage that people clutter the forum with because they feel themselves above reading what has already been posted, and that garbage gets to us. So thank you for reading, and your help is certainly appreciated in guiding people this way too.
__________________________________________________ ___________________________________________
I should also note that you are TOTALLY over your head. If you aren't willing to read the threads that people point you to, we don't expect you to be willing to read the responses to your own thread.
Your responses point to a complete lack of an level of respect given. Even the very first post is basically telling the people here "I know you did some work, and I want to mooch off of that and be as lazy as possible. I don't want to do work myself, so any way that I can leech from you is good with me!" You, like every other newbie, has the option to ask questions the way you did. But we also have the option to slam the door in your face for doing so. Plenty of other newbies manage to ask questions and get answers without pissing all over us in the process.
So yes, we aren't inclined to be respectful to you. And this is probably going to be one of the most civilized responses you are going to get.
PS: It's always humorous how the newbies that are showing how little they know about what they are dealing with tell the people that are actually out there doing it hands on "go learn something" Why don't you start reading 9k's turbo installation thread? For example. With your reading skills, it should only take you a week or two.
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02-23-2012, 03:24 PM
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If you had the know how or the ability to complete this project you would have never started this thread. It is also obvious you are oblivious to sarcasm as well.
BTW, for those who don't know this is the TD04-09B he plans to rebuild himself and design a custom manifold for
BTW, for those who don't know this is the TD04-09B he plans to rebuild himself and design a custom manifold for
02-23-2012, 03:39 PM
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well considering i know my abilities and circumstances i say other wise. ive been reading through this web sites posts for about 3 weeks now, on superchargers and turbochargers. and i havent found anything worth saying ive learned. also i must say im not asking for a hand out. considering i plan on doing this work and i will make it work cause im not a moron. my original question was based on the special work needed to complete such a task. im not asking what turbo does what. or what piping. im asking where exactly does this go. forgive me for not understand the poor layout of this site. im also not new to the rx8 or rotaries. the simple fact that you have this site layed out with topics such as " major horsepower gains" make its appropriate for me to post this here.
i find this every funny that one feels the need to comment " go do research" why not say anything at all then they will be forced to look. i could argue my point for a few more hours or even days. when im done ill be sure to let yall know that i finished my product and if anyone has questions on how i did it or what i used in the process id be happy to give them the info. work smarter not harder. obviously people here feel the need not to pass on information and to make the general rx8 populace smarter.
are questions like how did you do this or that, that big of an issue. if so specify that question like this go into a different forum.
you can read all day on this topic and still not understand something. so im askin you take it into consideration that i have read and i understand the long echo that is the do research. i understand that some effort has to be taken on my part. its ironic when i get more help from the honda forums then my own rx8club. ***** sad.
oo yea you cant tell sarcasm over a computer screen. FYI
i find this every funny that one feels the need to comment " go do research" why not say anything at all then they will be forced to look. i could argue my point for a few more hours or even days. when im done ill be sure to let yall know that i finished my product and if anyone has questions on how i did it or what i used in the process id be happy to give them the info. work smarter not harder. obviously people here feel the need not to pass on information and to make the general rx8 populace smarter.
are questions like how did you do this or that, that big of an issue. if so specify that question like this go into a different forum.
you can read all day on this topic and still not understand something. so im askin you take it into consideration that i have read and i understand the long echo that is the do research. i understand that some effort has to be taken on my part. its ironic when i get more help from the honda forums then my own rx8club. ***** sad.
oo yea you cant tell sarcasm over a computer screen. FYI
02-23-2012, 03:43 PM
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I suggest you buy a cheap honda and do one of the $500 ebay turbo kits. within a month or so you will learn WHY people spend so much time and money to do it right the first time.
Then you can use the knowledge gained to decide weather or not to turbo your 8
02-23-2012, 03:43 PM
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The single biggest problem with simply not responding is that you have several hundred twins running around without a clue of what they are talking about that will fill your thread with complete garbage, and then we have an even bigger problem on our hands.
Best to nip it in the bud.
I'll even be kind for a moment.
Lets back up a step. What is that turbo's flow map, what does it look like, and why do you believe that it fits the Renesis's dynamics?
If you can answer this coherently, you might actually start getting somewhere.
A hint though. A 2.0L 4-stroke piston motor flows a dramatically different level of air than a 1.3 L rotary.
Go from there.
Best to nip it in the bud.
I'll even be kind for a moment.
Lets back up a step. What is that turbo's flow map, what does it look like, and why do you believe that it fits the Renesis's dynamics?
If you can answer this coherently, you might actually start getting somewhere.
A hint though. A 2.0L 4-stroke piston motor flows a dramatically different level of air than a 1.3 L rotary.
Go from there.
02-23-2012, 03:47 PM
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You are sad. And if you read on the topic of turbocharging an RX-8 all day, and still don't understand where the turbo goes then you are an idiot. Maybe you should stick that TD04-9B on SOHC D15A.
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02-23-2012, 03:48 PM
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It's all there. We don't feel like re-typing it.
You are correct. SRT4 forums are usually worse.
02-23-2012, 03:50 PM
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im actually looking at one right now. funny that you add that. im not exactly rich. nor to i plan on spending 6 grand on a pointless piece of equipment. this is a home project im doing and actually looking forward to building this custom not being a tool like most on this site that buys everything premade for their car.
Can you build a custom manifold? nope since you had to ask.
Can bend and cut intercooler piping? Same of the above.
Will you have to replace your crappy turbo? Yes.
Will you have to replace the one you bought to replace it for 300$ on ebay? Yes.
Will you grenade your engine because of some tuning mistake or cheap part like a cheap bov or wastegate? most likely.
Truth is, a kit will cost you 3-4grands in parts alone when you figure the price of a good turbo, intercooler, raw material for the manifolds, accessport, ancillaries (boost controller, bov, different wastegate) etc.
You know nothing about turboing cars. We already spot that since you said you have "A TURBO". What turbo? You know they're not the same... right?
By being harsh most people here are just trying to save you a lot of money.
02-23-2012, 03:52 PM
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for the love of god. you still dont understand my question... im done. its pointless.. you took my question the wrong way and feel the need to defend your work. that i could really give 2 ***** about. thanks for bein the douche bags of the auto industry. to think someone had an idea and yall feel the need to attack him over something that doesnt affect you in the least bit. ***** sad
02-23-2012, 03:54 PM
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You can't even type a proper paragraph. Who are you to call anyone unintelligent or dumb? And I would bet a million bucks you would wouldn't even call a female Marine dumb to her face. I hope to God you are not in the service. What an embarrassment that would be. Good luck with your build dip **** (this was sarcasm).
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02-23-2012, 03:55 PM
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Your OP question is so generalized its like asking "how do I get from my house to yours?" There are a hundred ways to do it but usually only one or two right ways. and trust me the route as been well documented, If a snag comes up in the road along the way, then ask for specific help.
And just as a common courtesy, a little punctuation wont hurt either.
02-23-2012, 03:57 PM
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A) Your idea isn't original. Believe it or not we see at least 1 "I have a random turbo and want to put it on my 8" thread every few weeks, if not few days.
B) You are correct, you couldn't give 2 ***** about our work. That's painfully obvious. So why in the hell would we care about yours?
C) Actually, yes, it does affect us. Every time we have some retard blow up their engine from doing things completely wrong / halfassed / jackassed, the 8's reputation gets worse and worse and worse. We don't like seeing that, and want to stop it where we can. In the process, we save you loads of money.
You don't see it now, but you will.
I'm serious. Come back and show us all wrong when you get it successfully turbo'ed without issues, flaws, or tuning problems.
B) You are correct, you couldn't give 2 ***** about our work. That's painfully obvious. So why in the hell would we care about yours?
C) Actually, yes, it does affect us. Every time we have some retard blow up their engine from doing things completely wrong / halfassed / jackassed, the 8's reputation gets worse and worse and worse. We don't like seeing that, and want to stop it where we can. In the process, we save you loads of money.
You don't see it now, but you will.
I'm serious. Come back and show us all wrong when you get it successfully turbo'ed without issues, flaws, or tuning problems.
02-23-2012, 04:02 PM
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for the love of god. you still dont understand my question... im done. its pointless.. you took my question the wrong way and feel the need to defend your work. that i could really give 2 ***** about. thanks for bein the douche bags of the auto industry. to think someone had an idea and yall feel the need to attack him over something that doesnt affect you in the least bit. ***** sad