Ike

Great, those aren't stock cars cars and it's also a type of racing with a lot of factors involved. At runoffs not breaking your car, having bigger ***** and taking risks, and driver skill with some luck are obviously huge factors. Stock for stock with the same driver an RX-8 isn't keeping up with an S2000 around a track, sorry.

The only fact in your post is that the Cobalt out qualified all the other cars by a good margin and that the RX-8 won the class. Beyond that your post doesn't mean much.

Roaddemon

TO IKE

Let me just take a moment to tell you your the biggest Evo blowhorn fanboi on the web. You wave your Evo flag more than any 8 owner waves his on this site. You of all people should not be pointing a finger and playing the fanboi card on us. You only come here to boast your Evo. Why don't you trade it in on a real car like the Vette or even an 08 Evo. Your car is ancient now. I have a mind to turbo my Lincoln MKZ AWD and beat your *** around the track in pure luxury. Maybe that will shut you up.

delhi

Don't mind ikea. He is the resident troll. It's often to see insecure car owners joining another car forum to bash (most of the time its anecdotal but misinterpreted as facts) at the said forum's car to make himself feel better/superior. But unlike most troll who later left due to maturation process or sessions with Dr. Phil episodes, ike never left. I suppose we can do the same and post in STi or EVO threads touting that a Hertz rental car has better interiors than their rubbermaid specials. But alas, there's more to life than joining a forum where the subject matter is of no interest.
Perhaps deep deep down, ike lusts for an rx-8 but still can't get around the paper numbers?
For the record the S2000 is more visceral than the RX-8.

124Spider

It would be nice if people could read. But, unfortunately, they can't.

If you think that runoffs represents STOCK (note key word STOCK; you can look up what that means if you actually care), I've got a bridge to sell you.

Gawd.....

And one of my favorite things about this board is how anyone who has the nerve to say that any other car performs better than the RX-8 is called a troll. And this gets worse and worse, as the price of used RX-8s drops.

Ike

Yes, that's why I defend other cars besides the Evo all the time here and on Evo forums...

I'm such a fanboi that I make posts such as this in RX-8 vs. Evo comparison threads...

Looks at me "wax poetic" by calling the ride harsh, saying that it is a poor choice as a daily driver for most people, and pointing out the the interior isn't nice looking. I'm such a fanboi... Morons!

Ike

Yeah, I'm the insecure one in this thread. It's not the guys getting bent out of shape because some people have pointed out the FACT that the S2000 is a better performer than the RX-8.

Roaddemon

The S2000 is a better performer in some ways not so in other ways. I think that has been established. It's more race car than sportscar. It's a nice piece of machinery. Purposefully built for racing and having fun. I agree it's a more visceral sportscar. Purists like that. There is no arguement here.

MP3Guy

I would be quite surprised if any purpose built 2 seat sports car like the S2K couldn't outdo the RX-8 at certain things, especially built by a firm with Honda's engineering expertise.

But you ARE a troll, Ike, and you are under the strange impression, borne out by the obnoxious weight of your 8400 insipid posts, that people are in need of your opinions about cars, yours, ours, or anyones.

And gee, thanks for that reminder that you get some track time in- which PART of your *** would you like us to kiss in deference to your insight.

124Spider

It's pretty funny to see some drivel like this in a thread where the OP was asking opinions about the two cars.

For anyone with an open mind, or who is otherwise secure in his/her choice of the RX-8, Ike's opinions are usually pretty balanced and useful. But I do understand that his posts can be annoying to the ever-growing fanboi contingent on this board.

Nice post, MP3Guy!

kartweb

Do you include the OEM tires as stock? If so, the advantage a Shinka would have over a Honda grows.

You won't find a more competitive test anywhere in the world then the Runoffs. Granted Touring allows a few minor bolt-ons for both cars. The biggest difference will be in the grippy "street" tires.

And no, I hardly would consider you a troll. On a Solo you're right, the Honda has an advantage. Short burst low competition like a Solo tend to favor a car with a little more power and a shorter wheelbase. The last time I ran a Solo was in a 125cc Shifter and blew the doors off everything else - other then a couple other shifters. That included several top Formula SAE cars, a D-Sports Racer, and a couple of Formula Cars.

Get on a bigger track and it's not all power - but thats the common myth. It's mostly exit speed, and the RX8 has it covered.

I'm a big fan of Honda products, ask anyone who's been around shifter karts for a few years.

Ike

I'm not here because I think people need me, I'm here because I like the forum and the people on it, excluding degenrates such as yourself of course. You and your little fanboi buddies start more fights and cause more drama than anyone else on this forum. The forum as a whole would be much better served if you got lost, or at least grew up a little. It's funny how the word fanboi is mentioned and the 4 biggest fanbois on the forum are here lickity split.

9291150

Um, it was you and then Ike that first uttered the fanboi word, so if it got off topic then...

Otherwise, this site is far more negative than positive; actually I've never seen a model specific site that's as negative, in threads often dominated by non-8 owners. A crossfire site probably has more pride.

Otherwise, I can come up with a long list of 8 owners who really contribute to this site yet would be the first to raise 8 issues, but in a much more balanced way than the simplistic and one-dimensional views that occupies the minds of so many non 8 owners.

Atleast it's entertaining though.

124Spider

Kartweb, yes, "stock" includes tires. But I don't care if you put race tires on both cars, there isn't a race track in the world that a properly-driven S2000 wouldn't decisively beat a properly-driven RX-8, with the same tires and otherwise stock. As to the" Shinka," if you're going to start bringing in higher-performance variants of the stock car, I'll spot you your Shinka and raise with the S2000CR. Stock from the factory, both.

And, no, runoffs aren't anything like a reasonable way to measure how "stock" cars stack up, any more than NASCAR is. Those are race-prepared cars, often with allowances to help even out the stock differences between completely different cars, so that they can be competitive with each other. Comparing times of race cars is utterly meaningless for comparing stock cars. Heck, when I take my race car (a Miata with a stock engine) out for an occasional track day, I usually beat every Porsche and BMW out there (and, last Saturday, all five Ariel Atoms out there); does that make a Miata a better car than every one of those cars? No.

I truly don't have any idea why this is always such a touchy subject with a few of you. It's like the folks on the S2000 board who insist that the S2000 is a "better" car than a new Boxster S (or 997, or whatever) Utter nonsense. Sure, it may be a much better value (depending on what's important to the purchaser, and how much money the purchase has); you (or I) may prefer it, for a variety of reasons. But for pure performance? I'd take the new Boxster S over the S2000 any day of the week, stock for stock. Just as I'd take the S2000 over the RX-8.

Enjoy your car for what it is, which is a lot; that should provide plenty of fun and satisfaction, and shouldn't require fantasies. Unless they include, say, Kate Beckinsale, which would be understandable.

9291150

..so you're not an Evo fanboi?

124Spider

Interesting, I suppose. Non-responsive in the extreme, of course, but interesting. In a train-wreck sort of way.

And I'm curious who you're calling a "non-RX-8 owner?" And, in any event, if you think that a non-RX-8 owner is not qualified to comment on this thread, where does that leave non-S2000 owners? Such as you....

Shini

I come for the opinions of others about the S2k, but stay for the flames.

Ike

No, I'm perfectly happy to point out the downfalls with my car and am more than willing to admit when another car can outperform it. I also don't go around bashing cars just because it's not the car I own, I love all types of cars and can see the upsides and downsides in all of them.

Also, you said fanboi long before I did Lastly, you need to learn the difference between someone being negative and someone being realistic. When someone says the S2000 outperforms the RX-8 it's not a direct assault on the RX-8, it's simply stating the truth. A truth that you and you buddies seem to have a really hard time coming to terms with whenever the RX-8 is compared to another car.

9291150

Never said that, I'm saying non 8 owners dominate those negative threads - the same guys who get all riled up when someone doesn't think much of their cars. Look at your own reaction, when all I did was reference a test that preferred the 8 and showed that the S2000 wasn't that much faster.

MP3Guy

In your opinion.

9291150

Not a fanboi? You suggested a stock Evo was faster than a C6. You should have been laughed out of here then!

And yeah, you said fanboi before me bud...I'm being realistic when I simply said the S2000 isn't in a different universe of performance as was being suggested, I think I've said 95% of the performance years ago on this site.

MP3Guy

You've been picking fights here for years. Get off it Ike. No one who's been here for any length of time is buying your innocent act. You've done nothing but attempt to provoke people, starting with your first post.

I OWN an RX-8- what's YOUR excuse?

refugeefrompistons

Off Topic A little? People wtf? Ike honestly I do not know why your here. Even if you are trying to be helpful, why bother, clean your hands of the Rx-8 because you do not own this car anymore. Others, comon Ike is annoying. Ignore him. Or get him banned, but do not continue to argue. Sheesh like teaching kindergarten kids not to say "He started it!"

9291150

But he did...

124Spider

There's just no seeing reality in some of you! Here we have the latest in a long line of incredibly stupid "RX-8 vs. S2000" threads. We have the usual suspects saying that the cars are comparable performance-wise, showing their ignorance. One of them trots out a magazine test, and says that that shows the cars are comparable, ignoring (i) all the other magazine tests which showed otherwise, and the fact that even that test showed the S2000 to be slightly faster 0-60, and over two seconds (that's TWO SECONDS, a HUGE difference) faster on 0-100. And proclaims that they aren't in different classes. Despite the simple, incontrovertible fact that they are.

As it happens, unlike almost everyone else in this thread, I own both an S2000 (bought new in April 2004) and an RX-8 (bought new in December 2004, which I drive at least a couple of times a week, including having autocrossed in an RX-8 a few times). I like and appreciate both cars. And I'm aware of the significant shortcomings in both cars. It just might be that I'm better qualified than you, or anyone else in this thread, to evaluate the two cars.

But I know that reality doesn't really have much impression on true fanbois, who, for some reason, feel threatened by any assertion that they are not driving the world's most fantastic car.

MP3Guy

It is never a matter of "not thinking much of." All of these cars people compare have different missions, and they by and large succeed in doing what they were designed to do.

What gets people into these often useless comparisons is that while these vehicles are aimed at a certain demographic and price point- they are all very different from each other, and the choice becomes extremely personal.

As an example, I cannot consider owning ANY 2 seater, regardless of it's merits, as long as I have my two beautiful daughters around. Having said that, as a life long sports car fanatic, and having owned some fairly exotic machinery, (including a much loved 124 Spider 1800) the RX-8 is as close to perfection in a car as I can get. It does what I want it to do with very little sacrifice on my part. I cannot consider owning any of the "boy racer" Jap sedans either, and wouldn't want one to live with. But again, it gets down to what you want your car to do for you. The rest is bullshit.