Notices
RX-8 Discussion General discussion about the RX-8 that doesn't fit in one of the specialty forums.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: CARiD

Rotary Diesel?

Old Aug 3, 2009 | 09:53 AM
  #1  
rx8it's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 123
Likes: 0
Rotary Diesel?

I wonder how feasible would it be for Mazda to build a diesel rotary. Have they tried in the past? Is it even possible?
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2009 | 10:03 AM
  #2  
Huey52's Avatar
Registered Zoom Zoomer
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 4,089
Likes: 6
From: New England
It's certainly possible but requires a much higher compression ratio which brings its own strength of materials issues and historically therefore added weight to diesels. Good advances in the common rail diesel design tho' btw.
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2009 | 02:27 PM
  #3  
RufusVonStorm's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 411
Likes: 0
From: Fullerton, CA
Paging RotaryGod

I don't think you could get enough compression on a rotary to ignite diesel
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2009 | 02:43 PM
  #4  
8 Maniac's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,814
Likes: 1
From: Aki City, Japan
It would be cool to see, but I doubt it will happen.
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2009 | 02:48 PM
  #5  
rev8's Avatar
so it's a V twin?
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 328
Likes: 0
From: Inland Empire
mercedes benz already made one. many car manufactures have made wankles in the past. i read a book at the library a while ago it had the whole history of all the players that have played with the wankle.
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2009 | 02:49 PM
  #6  
olddragger's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 10,828
Likes: 40
From: macon, georgia
spark assisted diesel has already been done on our engine. Pettit did it.
wasnt worth persuing.
OD
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2009 | 02:50 PM
  #7  
rev8's Avatar
so it's a V twin?
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 328
Likes: 0
From: Inland Empire
found it http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z...enz-C-111.aspx
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2009 | 03:33 PM
  #8  
rotarygod's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 9,134
Likes: 26
From: Houston
Originally Posted by RufusVonStorm
Paging RotaryGod

I don't think you could get enough compression on a rotary to ignite diesel
Correct. Since we have to flow and compress air as opposed to just compressing it, that means as the compression rises, flow decreases. If we get compresion too high, flow is too low and now we have huge pumping losses. The compression limit on a rotary is around 11:1 or so which is too low for compression ignition. You can use spark ignition for a diesel though and this has been done before on rotaries. You obviously don't have the power that you would with higher compression and due to the nature of diesel flame front speed, you also don't get the high rpm use that a rotary is so good at. It's really best in a low speed application but due to the compression ratio and low displacement, you just can't get much power from a diesel rotary.

You could potentially get compression ignition through the use of a positive displacement supercharger such as a roots or twin screw. This would raise the effective compression ratio to a higher level. However at lower speeds you'd still need a spark or glow plug system. I would think that due to the lower power output of a smaller engine such as a rotary with lower rpm limits that they'd be best for use as generators or apu's.
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2009 | 03:34 PM
  #9  
neXib's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 635
Likes: 1
From: Norway
I shiver at the thought.
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2009 | 04:01 PM
  #10  
Razz1's Avatar
Mu ha.. ha...
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,361
Likes: 3
From: Cali
Originally Posted by rev8
mercedes benz already made one. many car manufactures have made wankles in the past. i read a book at the library a while ago it had the whole history of all the players that have played with the wankle.
And that doesn't include all the members here that play with their wankel.
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2009 | 10:01 PM
  #11  
rev8's Avatar
so it's a V twin?
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 328
Likes: 0
From: Inland Empire
is it bad to play with my wankle^ the benz looks like the deloran almost.
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2009 | 10:22 PM
  #12  
2SeeKU's Avatar
Aussie
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 297
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Razz1
And that doesn't include all the members here that play with their wankel.
You just had to go there didn't you!
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
galognu
Rotary Swaps
138
Nov 16, 2020 05:20 AM
Jazzmeson
RX-8 Multimedia/Photo Gallery
11
Mar 2, 2016 02:25 PM
garryg
Australia/New Zealand Forum
2
Oct 1, 2015 04:54 PM
JCTaylor
New Member Forum
3
Sep 30, 2015 07:31 PM
jasonrxeight
RX-8's For Sale/Wanted
2
Sep 30, 2015 01:53 PM


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:
You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:06 PM.