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03-13-2005, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotario
Who exactly did you prove wrong? Go ahead and continue to park with your car in neutral. You've already had your stupidity rewarded once, and perhaps next time you'll be rewarded with more than a bumper scratch. And I can't say strongly enough that it will be well deserved.
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Don't get sooo mad. You were only wrong, it is not the end of the world man. Damn! You're getting soo worked up over a issue that does not even concern you. I guess you are calling Mazda stupid, because they absolutely agreed with me. I won't have to worry about it happening again, because I learned that this car's e-brake is really shitty, so I will leave in gear from now on. Again I don't know how I deserved any of this, but if you say so, then you are completely right, just as you were when you said it was my fault and that Mazda wouldn't do anything for me. Jokes on you. Enough said....
03-14-2005, 10:06 AM
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I hope that those of you that are leaving your cars running unattended for 3-5 minutes are bringing an extra key to lock it up.
A running, unattended car is an invitation for misfortune. Be safe.
A running, unattended car is an invitation for misfortune. Be safe.
03-16-2005, 04:06 AM
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k, i didnt even read anything in the middle...too many pages. but just wanted to ask. I understand the safety of leaving the car in gear. but if the e breaks malfunction, wouldn't the whole car be riding on the tansmission then?? wouldnt that hurt the tranny a lot?? if the hill was steep enough, (i.e. San francisco) wouldnt it actually break the tranny and roll anyways?? then ur gonna end up paying for both damages. i've never heard of it happen, but just a thought.
03-16-2005, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by efonwang
k, i didnt even read anything in the middle...too many pages. but just wanted to ask. I understand the safety of leaving the car in gear. but if the e breaks malfunction, wouldn't the whole car be riding on the tansmission then?? wouldnt that hurt the tranny a lot?? if the hill was steep enough, (i.e. San francisco) wouldnt it actually break the tranny and roll anyways?? then ur gonna end up paying for both damages. i've never heard of it happen, but just a thought.
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04-06-2005, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by StewC625
Weak parking brakes are common on cars with rear discs. It's only designed to keep the car from rolling away, not to secure it to the ground. The way it works is that it mechancially presses the brake pads to the disc, rather than hydraulically - the mechanism is necessarily small to fit into the caliper around the hydraulic pistons that operate the "normal" brakes.
I never trust a parking brake alone - always put it in gear. And always apply it without the button pushed and always "test" to make sure your car won't roll away if you're on an incline by releasing your regular brakes and waiting a second or so to make sure the car is secure.
I never trust a parking brake alone - always put it in gear. And always apply it without the button pushed and always "test" to make sure your car won't roll away if you're on an incline by releasing your regular brakes and waiting a second or so to make sure the car is secure.
If you've just been driving the car, the discs will be hot. If you apply the parking brake even if it has a good grip at the time, when the disc cool down they contract, and the parking brake becomes less effective, and it might start rolling hours later. So always leave it in gear!
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04-06-2005, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SpacerX
As a matter of technique, though, I learned on my PGT (anotherMazda-based car) that the best way to engage the e-brake is to make sure you've got the brake pedal FULLY depressed while engaging the e-brake. The levering action was murder on the fairly small e-brake springs in the PGT/MX6/626, and teh levering action could make them seriously stick. So it's a habit with me now -- it puts less stress on the cables and springs.
Best of luck with the e-brake issues, whatever your situation.
Best of luck with the e-brake issues, whatever your situation.
whoah you mean to tell me some people are NOT holding down the brake pedal when applying the hand brake? you should ALWAYS do that as well as leave teh car in gear. 1st or Reverse depending on the direction of incline. and turn your wheels to the curb if there is one. so that if it still rools the wheels are stopped by the curb.
(its cause my car is silver)
04-06-2005, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
whoah you mean to tell me some people are NOT holding down the brake pedal when applying the hand brake?
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04-06-2005, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by fredw1
It was not until I went to the owner's manual that I thought he might have a point. There is a big warning on page 5-2 that says that "Leaving the driver's seat without setting the parking brake is dangerous. Unexpected vehicle movement could occur if the parking brake is not set. this could cause an accident." Although it does go on to say to leave the car in gear, the initial text implies that the use of the parking brake would help one avoid 1) unexpected vehicle movement, 2) a dangerous situation, and/or 3) an accident. I'd say that the brake did not function as intended.
A more-careful reading of the owner's manual would, however, have likely prevented what happened. This reading part is the driver's responsibility, not Mazda's.
A more-careful reading of the owner's manual would, however, have likely prevented what happened. This reading part is the driver's responsibility, not Mazda's.
04-06-2005, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by hotpot
There should be no need for him to put it in gear. The brake obviously was not well adjusted. He would have expected the brake to work properly on a newish car.
you always leave it in gear as well thats parking 101. its also in the manual "unless it is freezing and then leave it in neutral so the brake doesnt freexe on. chock the wheels" to paraphrase. it could be out of adjustment but that is still not the fault of mazda- cables stretch over time.
04-06-2005, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LoveMy8
Well, I was at my Mazda dealer yesterday. "They" took complete responsibility for the car rolling. In return they gave me 4 oil changes for nothing to cover the towing bill. They also buffed the front bumper where the spot was where I bumped the other car. They also tighten my e-brake and checked my brakes and whatnot to make sure it would not happen again. I also received a car wash and wax while I was there for my inconvience. Seems to me like they took the responsibility. Again I want to thank the people who also believe that it was not my fault. For all others, all I can say is, damn I love proving ******** like you wrong! :D I would suggest other people fight this problem if it has happened to you. Just make sure you have a bill and a witness to claim that the e-brake was engaged.
Happy reving everyone!
Happy reving everyone!
you have proven nothing except that you are able to yell loud enough and long enough until those people gave in or that they are very nice people.. you are still taking no personal responsibility and now that someone else has shouldered the responsibility you feel some sort of relief and belief that you were not at fault. just because someone else takes up the responsibility when you abrogate it doesnt relieve you of the fault. just because they were nice and showed exceptional customer service doesnt relieve you of the need to leave it in gear in the future. If you had an automatic you would put it in park instead of leaving it in neutral. why do you(not just you but anyone who does not put their manny tranny in a gear) believe you can leave the manual in neutral?
04-06-2005, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LoveMy8
My point exactly. When owning an 8 you must allow the car to warm up before you are supposed to drive it. Lets say 3-5 minutes min. Now if it is 10 degrees outside, a person does not want to sit in the car freezing when they could be inside in the warm while the car warms up. If the engine needs to warm up and the person cannot or chooses not to be in the car at this time, wouldn't you think that Mazda would have made the strongest e-brake ever? Mazda should be then held responsible if the call rolls. My dealership completely agreed with me!
the basis of your arguement here is incorrect.
first all cars need to be warmed up before doing any kind of performance driving. but you do not just sit in the car for 5 minutes warmignt eh car up. at most a minute or 2 while the rpm drops a little and then start driving keeping the revs low until the car reaches nominal operating temp.
second what you are probably trying to point out is that the rx8 should not be shut down cold. the procedure for short trips does not include "lets say 3-5minutes" of sitting.
there is no reason why a person CANNOT stay in the car during this time. and CHOOSING not to makes them responsible if the car rolls away. in this instance following the owners manual recommendation of chocking the wheels would be a good one to follow.
04-06-2005, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
whoah you mean to tell me some people are NOT holding down the brake pedal when applying the hand brake? you should ALWAYS do that as well as leave teh car in gear. 1st or Reverse depending on the direction of incline. and turn your wheels to the curb if there is one. so that if it still rools the wheels are stopped by the curb.
When I got around to replacing the calipers on my PGT, the advice I received from the guy who supplied the calipers was to FULLY and FIRMLY depress the brake pedal (i.e., not to just rest your foot on the pedal) while applying the hand brake. That way it ALMOST TOTALLY relieves the pressure exerted on the cables, springs, and e-brake actuator.
The way I see it, any stress I can relieve from the process will probably add up and pay off over time... if only to allow a greater interval between adjustments.
04-06-2005, 04:37 PM
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So, as long as we're on the subject... has anyone tried to stop the car using the emergency brake? I have tried in many cars and found that the emergency brake was incapable of stopping the car from anything above a few miles per hour. The emergency brake in my 8 stopped the car from about 30 mph. Took way longer than the service brakes but it did stop. Didn't try anything faster. FYI, I do my experimentation in an industrial park on a Sunday AM.
04-16-2005, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by druck
If you've just been driving the car, the discs will be hot. If you apply the parking brake even if it has a good grip at the time, when the disc cool down they contract, and the parking brake becomes less effective, and it might start rolling hours later. So always leave it in gear!
Cheers
---Dave
Cheers
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