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Old 06-17-2015, 01:08 PM   #1
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That's good..the stock wires would melt with the current requirements these coils have......
that was all covered in the Mercury coil thread. Can't believe it took someone so long to finally offer this kit.
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Team, please correct me if Im wrong. Yes, these coils have been discussed before. I believe Harlan is currently using them in his build, as are some other people I am sure. However, this is the first plug and play kit sold. As such, does that not qualify as news?


The kit is new, plug and play is a stretch as you have to depin a connector and such to install it. But he means that the implementation of this type of setup is not really new, he and Dannobre have discussed basically this same setup in another thread.

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Old 06-17-2015, 05:14 PM   #3
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I don't understand the question or why you're posing it as such. I can only surmise that you either read my reply incorrectly or twisted it into something not intended. Please just stick to posing your questions to the vendor and their product or contact me privately if you wish to have a side discussion.

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Team, please correct me if Im wrong. Yes, these coils have been discussed before. I believe Harlan is currently using them in his build, as are some other people I am sure. However, this is the first plug and play kit sold. As such, does that not qualify as news?
9k, no, I just replied to Dan that the proper wiring has been discussed in the noted thread and otherwise and glad to see the kit finally offered. Not sure why you guys are twisting it around.

This is good news, glad to see it finally on the market


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Old 06-27-2015, 05:03 PM   #4
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To anyone:

What, if any, benefits would the additional $225 dollars for this kit provide over the BHR kit?

In my specific case for a lightly modified Series 2 NA Renesis.

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What, if any, benefits would the additional $225 dollars for this kit provide over the BHR kit?

In my specific case for a lightly modified Series 2 NA Renesis.

Thanks!
Your question is flawed.

What is any benefit is there over using the OEM "C" coils
(On a NA application)

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theoretically, these are better able to handle the high rpm environment of a Renesis. The BHR coils were originally for a piston engine which doesn't rev as high.

That being said, for a naturally aspirated motor, I don't think it's worth the extra cost. Most people find that the BHR coils are good for the life of the car.
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theoretically, these are better able to handle the high rpm environment of a Renesis. The BHR coils were originally for a piston engine which doesn't rev as high.

That being said, for a naturally aspirated motor, I don't think it's worth the extra cost. Most people find that the BHR coils are good for the life of the car.
And again I ask for proof
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I have no proof, only the positive impressions I have seen over in the rx7 forums.

Personally, I will look into it if I have a problem getting spark at high levels of boost. The Mazsport kits seemed to be limited by the ignition system, but that was back in 2007-2008. Maybe the C coils solved that, but I don't know.

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Old 06-27-2015, 06:15 PM   #9
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Your question is flawed.

What is any benefit is there over using the OEM "C" coils
(On a NA application)
IMO BHR coils are worthless on a NA application
I will preface my rebuttal by saying that the hostility I have experienced on this forum is palpable.

Benefits could include: increased longevity, better engine response, increased butt dyno satisfaction, crank hp increase etc.

So I ask again -

Why would someone purchase these over the BHR kit?

Thanks
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The coils are massively powerful, and can put out the same energy as BHR in less time, or more energy in the same amount of time. More spark energy should mean more complete fuel burn, and more power. There is also a longevity argument, because these are deigned to be run on shorter dwell times.

Hopefully those that own the coils presently (and have done their own DIY work) can chime in and give you better info.
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And again I ask for proof
What kind of proof?
That they last longer than OEM coils?
Are you looking for documented, scientific proof that they do?
Do you have proof that they don't?
If so, please share it with the rest of us and quit making snide remarks about it.
I personally don't believe that the GM coils last for the life of a vehicle that some claim, just that it eliminates the recommended PITA 30k replacement of OEM coils.
I bought my BHR kit after reading about them for over 2 years.
The unscientific, anecdotal word of mouth from satisfied customers seems to bear out the fact that they last longer than most of the widely available OEM coils.
I admit I didn't research the variety of coils available.
I don't understand the vitriol directed at the BHR brand when it appears the majority of those who have purchased them are happy with the results.
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Shoot a private message at Harlan or TeamRX8. They have had the coils on their cars for a while, they can talk about longevity.
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Fwiw, from what I've read, the Mercury coils are better.
I believe the question is if they are that much better to warrant the extra expense.
That is a substantial difference for some of us.
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We're actually making a completely new bracket, which only uses one of the stock mounting locations, but it's definitely good to see the S2 bracket. I did a look-over and the mounting locations we're using don't change chassis to chassis so we're good But it's always good to confirm.

And now for the good news:

We really appreciate all of the interest and enthusiasm with the RX8 IGN-1A setup. We didn't expect to have so many email requests to purchase immediately. While this kit will cost a bit more to produce than the RX7 kit we currently make (additional plug and play connectors, and a larger, more complicated bracket), we were able to get the full kit into the same ballpark as the RX7 setup.

Retail will be $725, but we'll run a pre-production group buy sale on them for the first 15 people interested. We're only producing 15 kits for the first run. You can go to the following link to pre-order the kit. As soon as they are back from production, we'll ship immediately. We're guesstimating a few weeks, assuming everything goes to plan. We just submitted the order for our production run of brackets, so those will be getting here soon.

Go to our Group Buy Page for more information.

Please add your name to the list if you're interested in being part of the pre-order / group buy, and please mark yourself as paid if you submit your order.

Thanks again, and please feel free to ask questions if you have any!

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That is indeed the question. Unfortunately the only way we are going to know is if someone gets their hands on a set. Ideally, it's an A B comparison at stock dwell. But that's 1000 in coils, plus dyno time. No small proposition.
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That is indeed the question. Unfortunately the only way we are going to know is if someone gets their hands on a set. Ideally, it's an A B comparison at stock dwell. But that's 1000 in coils, plus dyno time. No small proposition.
Yeah, if I hadn't already invested in the BHR, I would quite possibly be considering this.
It's tempting anyway, but it seems no one else is taking them up on it, or this list of 15 isn't being updated.
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I plan to get the AEM coils at some point. But I don't know about paying this much. LMS EFI offered the same coils, and a harness, for 400. Team RX8 said he put it in the stock mounting location with velcro! Better be one heck of a mount for 325 bucks.
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I plan to get the AEM coils at some point. But I don't know about paying this much. LMS EFI offered the same coils, and a harness, for 400. Team RX8 said he put it in the stock mounting location with velcro! Better be one heck of a mount for 325 bucks.
Do you read this offer as the complete kit, (coils, wires, bracket) WITH the RX8 plug n play harness for $725?
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Yes I do. They have the price as 650 for us group buyers on their website.
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Vendors should ideally provide before and after dyno on NA and FI cars if buyers are to adopt the recommended upgrade.

The FI guys need to know if dwell adjustments are required and this can only be done with testing.

Also, is a relocation kit available for those that have space constraints?
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What kind of proof?
That they last longer than OEM coils?
Are you looking for documented, scientific proof that they do?
Do you have proof that they don't?
If so, please share it with the rest of us and quit making snide remarks about it.
I don't have to provide proof as I'm not waving a flag saying that they are any better than anything else.
Or saying why should I buy these or over that?
Are the Yukon truck coils longer lasting than the OEM coils? I don't know, maybe. I wonder how many times the OEM's have been incorrectly diagnosed. (AKA the white spot syndrome)

But if you are going to say "X" last longer than "Y" then are you better have some proof. It's not for me to find the facts to disprove something just because some fanboi said it.
It works the other way around. You say it you prove it.

Is there a reason to buy this IGN-1a coil over the latest OEM "C" coil?
(I don't know maybe ... certainly not if you're stock)
That is just as valid a question. IMO it's a better question more appropriate question.

It's not like I haven't tried the truck coil kit.
I have one, I ran it on Nitrous and Boost.
I'm not coming from a vacuum on this topic.

My remark wasn't intended to be snide,
But you're in no position to tell me what to do.

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I will preface my rebuttal by saying that the hostility I have experienced on this forum is palpable.

Benefits could include: increased longevity, better engine response, increased butt dyno satisfaction, crank hp increase etc.

So I ask again -

Why would someone purchase these over the BHR kit?

Thanks
Oh my ok I'm sorry for saying your question is flawed.
Gawd that's hardly hostile. And certainly no more hostile than the way your question could be received by SakeBomb
And might I add your post said "To Anyone"
Well I'm anyone, at least the last time I looked and maybe just barely in the eyes of some on this forum, but still a "anyone"

I should have said.

I think a better question than that is:
What if any benefit is there over using the OEM "C" coils
(On a NA application)

I don't believe there is any benefit to use D858 coils on a NA application


So I will take a crack at answering your "To Anyone" question

No there is no benefit in IMO to having these over D858 coils over the OEM coils in a NA non-tunable ecu vehicle (except maybe bragging rights)
And certainly wouldn't recommend either solution to a average owner.

There right or wrong that's my answer.
And as proof or factual information seems to mean nothing around here, I'm just as right as the next anyone.

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IGN1a Coil Discussion Thread

Moved from the SB Garage Group buy thread....Keep it HERE of there will be problems
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Old 06-28-2015, 07:51 AM   #24
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It's not for me to find the facts to disprove something just because some fanboi said it.


My remark wasn't intended to be snide,
But you're in no position to tell me what to do.
The remark I was referring to has been deleted.
I'll just leave it at that.
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Why not move it in with past ridiculous commentary

http://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech...-coils-221536/
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