What about cigarette companies? That's the easiest rebuttal to your point. Why do all their websites have tips on how to quit smoking now? Hmmm...lawsuits. So I guess it's been proven that they are at fault for how people use their products.

I really feel strongly about ethics in any industry and I just think people don't give a rats *** any more about what they are selling. It's ironic that at my university engineers were required to take an ethics course, but business/commerce students weren't. It's ALL about the $ nowadays.

 

Exactly.

 

Dodge markets their car to ANY adult - anyone who can legally sign a contract. When we license people - TWO YEARS prior to their ability to legally sign a contract (which is part of the problem, btw), we are giving them our 'trust' to do the right thing behind a wheel. By your argument, we should sue the government for giving licenses to kids - they should KNOW kids will street race, right?

 

Tobacco Lawsuits are a scam - they don't benefit anyone but the attorneys who bring them. Tobacco use is a choice. People should make informed decisions about their behaviour, and suffer the benefits or rewards of that conduct.

Tobacco Industry arguments in a thread about responsible use of a car? Apples and oranges anyway

 

Your quote said "However faulting ANY company" and you're saying my comment about cigarette companies is apples and oranges? Think again

 

I got the marketing to a younger crowd comment from this pic (and the associated text) on their website:



http://www.daimlerchrysler.ca/EN/DOD...DGE-SX20,.html

Oh yeah, this is my favorite quote:

 

I just went through the Neons (oops....SRT-4's) pricing configurator. Selecting the base SRT-4 with only one option -- the floor mats that come standard with the '8 -- I got a retail (sticker) price of $28,558.30. My 2005 RX-8 stickered at $27,135. I thought the Neons (oops....SRT-4's) were supposed to be an inexpensive rocket-mobile? For a sticker price that's $1423 more than the RX-8, I'm not having to think too terribly hard about this. And yes, that's only the sticker price on the Neon (ooops, SRT-4) which can obviously be negotiated, but the same is (and was) true on my '8.

Bill

 

Where did you get this price quote? Incidentally, the SRT-4 costs about 100 dollars less than your quote in Canadian dollars.

 

Bill, if you used my link above, it's to the Dodge Canada website, so those are CDN prices

 

Ouch, you guys need to move down south! 28 g's for a Neon! Cripes!

 

Hahahhaa :D
We also paid ~$40 g's for our 8s.

 

Oooops....my bust. Yes, I did use that link. Wasn't aware that it was Canadian dollars.

Sorry 'bout that....

Bill

 

it was an srt-4, i even talked to the guy afterwards

 

He's here because he's obviously obsessed with the rx8... or at least with rx8 owners who like their cars. He's only over here to try to pop the bubbles of over-enthusiastic rx8 fans. God forbid anyone gets happy about the car and say something that might not be true.

He is the carforum police! He makes sure we're all level-headed and unenthusiastic. :o

 

Oooh lookie...

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/03/06....ap/index.html

Looks like this Impreza knockoff will be the Camaro of the 21st century, fast, cheap, young stupid drivers, poor safety. Lets see if it can break the Camaros record of having the highest death rate of any car sold

Quote:
The institute was most critical of the Neon, saying the car performed so poorly that the driver likely wouldn't have survived the crash.

 

You know, it kinda sucks that all of you guys are just talking crap against the srt-4. I used to have one a had a 2003 model, and thing was fast as hell. Compared to the RX-8 i belive the neono will smoke a rx-8 The neons top speed is even faster than the rx-8's. The only defect on that neon is the rubbermaid interior, the outside of it looks innocent, but agressive. if i could i would defenitly go back and buy a srt-4 qgain. I thought the rx-8 would be a lot faster but its not.

 

You are one of those guys who values a car based on it's straight-line acceleration I take it. You are trying to legitimize a car because it does one or two things well.

Top speed is faster? How do you know? Did you race an RX8 when you had your Neon, maxed out in top gear?

If you want your rx8 to feel fast, drive it on a nice curvy, sweeping road. You'll never be a good driver until you can be in situations where 50mph is hauling ***.

 

well, its not really how fast you get from one place to another, its rather how much fun you have on the way there, thats what counts

 

There are too many people who simply cannot understand how a car with 'less' power could be MORE fun than a car with 'more' power. That concept is beyond them.

 

No, the "outside" (some call it 'exterior') looks like a cheap econobox. Some call it butt ugly, including me.

Bill

 

Exactly, and that piece of crap neon is front wheel drive, you can NEVER compare a FR with FF when it comes to handling (ok, some exeptions, but none off the top of my head). This reminds me of a time I made a acura integra crash, because he was on my *** and tried to follow my line. Racing in a straight line is for sissies anyway. It takes no skill and only 1/8 the *****, no 1/50. Try me at 45 degrees 60 miles an hour (if the exit is wide enough, intersection is a good example) try not to understeer with that FF piece of crap! Im gonna go post that Acura crash! Besides the RX-8 isn't for racing in a straight goddam line! none of the RX's are! An FB probably handles better than a stupid neon!!!

 

Never Say Never...Line up a stock RX8 vs a Mini Cooper S and you might be surprised.

 

The Viper has some sexy lines, unlike the SRT-4 that looks like a teenagers first car.

 

Yeah the mini cooper is pretty cool, so theres the exception! No, the civic si can handle ok as well, if its modified. I actually wanted a mini cooper but my dad laughed at it and said no, this was a while ago though. I'll never buy an FF. oops I said never again.

 

Amen to that brother. I'm dating a dancer. She and all of her friends are really impressed by the RX-8. I don't think they would be as complimentary if it were a Neon.