HELP Rx-8 04 or Civic si 06
04-19-2006, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RotoRocket
Ike is right.
Plus, comparing the Civic to, say, the Mitsubishi Evo, the Civic looks better inside and out, has better build quality, rides far more comfortably, is more reliable, and as an added bonus, we all know Honda will still be solvent in a couple of years, whereas Mitsubishi...well, that's a huge unknown.
Plus, comparing the Civic to, say, the Mitsubishi Evo, the Civic looks better inside and out, has better build quality, rides far more comfortably, is more reliable, and as an added bonus, we all know Honda will still be solvent in a couple of years, whereas Mitsubishi...well, that's a huge unknown.
More reliable then a Evo, better after market, extremely easy mods, high demands in the ghettos for resale, better looking, get great deals on the street corner parts vendors ( the after after market vendors), performance not close but for 14K difference who cares ( nothing that a few grand in mods won't fix), peace of mind that the dealer won't try to void your warranty, and the not totally embarrassment of a 30+ year old getting out of a ricer boytoy that cost too much ( nothing like showing up on a date with a mature women in an Evo).
Now if honda could only put a 4 foot spoiler on the back of that civic...
04-19-2006, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ike
By all reliable accounts the Civic SI is a very fun car to drive. For the price it's pretty tough to beat as an overall package, GTI is another one that falls into a great all arounder for a great price (as long as you go easy on the options). Both the GTI and the SI aren't far off the RX-8 performance wise as well. The RX-8 will handle better but the GTI and SI will handle plenty well for some spirited driving and they're pretty close in a straight line compared to the RX-8. In addition the SI should hold it's value VERY well, you can't even buy one right now without having to wait a few months.
Don't let the RX-8 zealots fool you into thinking the SI is anything but a fun, sporty, practical, reliable car at a good price.
Don't let the RX-8 zealots fool you into thinking the SI is anything but a fun, sporty, practical, reliable car at a good price.
Ike, consider this my cordial invitation to stuff it up your ***. Why? Because when you say the SI (a 15 flat 1/4 car) is close to the Rx-8's 14.4, that's the same .6 margin that you told me was insurmountably vast between the RX-8 and SRT-4. I can see now that your opinion of what is close in straight-line performance depends heavily on which end the RX-8 is on.
Consider this. The Civic SI retails around $20k. This guy had a chance to buy an RX-8 for $20k, with the initial depreciation already gone. I'll bet you that, given that scenario, the RX-8 will hold its remaining value better, especially with such a low odometer. In fact, I believe the blue book value of an RX-8 with those options already has a value higher than $20k (which seems unusually low to me).
04-19-2006, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Rootski
Ike, consider this my cordial invitation to stuff it up your ***. Why? Because when you say the SI (a 15 flat 1/4 car) is close to the Rx-8's 14.4, that's the same .6 margin that you told me was insurmountably vast between the RX-8 and SRT-4. I can see now that your opinion of what is close in straight-line performance depends heavily on which end the RX-8 is on.
Consider this. The Civic SI retails around $20k. This guy had a chance to buy an RX-8 for $20k, with the initial depreciation already gone. I'll bet you that, given that scenario, the RX-8 will hold its remaining value better, especially with such a low odometer. In fact, I believe the blue book value of an RX-8 with those options already has a value higher than $20k (which seems unusually low to me).
Consider this. The Civic SI retails around $20k. This guy had a chance to buy an RX-8 for $20k, with the initial depreciation already gone. I'll bet you that, given that scenario, the RX-8 will hold its remaining value better, especially with such a low odometer. In fact, I believe the blue book value of an RX-8 with those options already has a value higher than $20k (which seems unusually low to me).
04-19-2006, 10:13 AM
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I think this kid made the right decision. I think we should all be praising him for using his brain and not his heart or his pen0r to make the decision.
Props dude, you've made a sound decision based on your needs.
Props dude, you've made a sound decision based on your needs.
04-19-2006, 10:22 AM
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Well i don't care wat pplz think. Rx8 is the boooomb. its mean, tough, sexy! U do not compare that to ECONOMY CAR!!!!!
If u want to go there---- Down that road, lets compare Skyline Vs Camry?
Next thing what? Supra vs Altima?
If u want to go there---- Down that road, lets compare Skyline Vs Camry?
Next thing what? Supra vs Altima?
04-19-2006, 12:46 PM
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Well i don't care wat pplz think. Rx8 is the boooomb. its mean, tough, sexy! U do not compare that to ECONOMY CAR!!!!!
If u want to go there---- Down that road, lets compare Skyline Vs Camry?
Next thing what? Supra vs Altima?
If u want to go there---- Down that road, lets compare Skyline Vs Camry?
Next thing what? Supra vs Altima?
04-19-2006, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rootski
Ike, consider this my cordial invitation to stuff it up your ***. Why? Because when you say the SI (a 15 flat 1/4 car) is close to the Rx-8's 14.4, that's the same .6 margin that you told me was insurmountably vast between the RX-8 and SRT-4. I can see now that your opinion of what is close in straight-line performance depends heavily on which end the RX-8 is on.
Consider this. The Civic SI retails around $20k. This guy had a chance to buy an RX-8 for $20k, with the initial depreciation already gone. I'll bet you that, given that scenario, the RX-8 will hold its remaining value better, especially with such a low odometer. In fact, I believe the blue book value of an RX-8 with those options already has a value higher than $20k (which seems unusually low to me).
Consider this. The Civic SI retails around $20k. This guy had a chance to buy an RX-8 for $20k, with the initial depreciation already gone. I'll bet you that, given that scenario, the RX-8 will hold its remaining value better, especially with such a low odometer. In fact, I believe the blue book value of an RX-8 with those options already has a value higher than $20k (which seems unusually low to me).
Zero to 100 mph 17.5 sec 16.0 sec 16.8 sec 13.4 sec
Standing 1/4-mile 15.1 sec@ 93 mph 14.6 sec@ 96 mph 15.1@ 95 mph 13.9@ 103
One of the above cars is clearly faster than the others, and it's not the Civic SI or RX-8, which are pretty close whether your fanboi vision will allow you to see that or not.
(Hint: the first two sets of numbers are from the only production version of the RX-8 C&D has ever tested. 3rd set is the Civic SI, 4th the SRT-4)
04-19-2006, 01:54 PM
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Some of you fanboys are getting crazy. Do you really have to proclaim that the rx8 is the best car evaaaaar no matter what the situation just to make yourselves feel better about your purchase?
Jiminy christmas!
Jiminy christmas!
04-19-2006, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by piNNoy
the si can run 14.7's stock
04-19-2006, 02:34 PM
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Umm..most RX-8 owners know that when it comes to just speed, we are at a disadvantage..it is when you compete with us on the curves, will your butt get handed to you ^_^
On the side note, I was going to mention, heck with the used RX-8..I would go to the dealer and buy a new one for close to 20k..OK..realistically, maybe 24k for a 2005 model. Since Mazda have been offering alot of incentives, some dealers are willing to get rid of it and take a loss than let it sit on their lot....
On the side note, I was going to mention, heck with the used RX-8..I would go to the dealer and buy a new one for close to 20k..OK..realistically, maybe 24k for a 2005 model. Since Mazda have been offering alot of incentives, some dealers are willing to get rid of it and take a loss than let it sit on their lot....
04-19-2006, 03:47 PM
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SI
+ An easier car to live with. More room, bigger truck.
+ Better in the snow(if that is an issue)
+ Far better with the gas.
+ In all probability a more reliable car.
+ Fun to drive.
+ Good resale.
- 1st year of a new model, you'll have teething problems.
- A very common car.
- Econ box base.
RX-8
+ Very fun to drive.
+ Looks very nice. True sports car look.
+ Higher class car.
+ Great performance.
+ An uncommon car.
- GAS MILAGE of an M1 tank.
- Not a practical car compared to a non-sport car.
- Reliability of the Rotary is unknown but, I believe it will be good.
- Mazda's support of the RX-8 has been poor (My opinion)
- Maintenance and precautionary quarts with a Rotary.
- Poor in the snow.
+ An easier car to live with. More room, bigger truck.
+ Better in the snow(if that is an issue)
+ Far better with the gas.
+ In all probability a more reliable car.
+ Fun to drive.
+ Good resale.
- 1st year of a new model, you'll have teething problems.
- A very common car.
- Econ box base.
RX-8
+ Very fun to drive.
+ Looks very nice. True sports car look.
+ Higher class car.
+ Great performance.
+ An uncommon car.
- GAS MILAGE of an M1 tank.
- Not a practical car compared to a non-sport car.
- Reliability of the Rotary is unknown but, I believe it will be good.
- Mazda's support of the RX-8 has been poor (My opinion)
- Maintenance and precautionary quarts with a Rotary.
- Poor in the snow.
04-19-2006, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Raptor75
SI
+ An easier car to live with. More room, bigger truck.
+ Better in the snow(if that is an issue)
+ Far better with the gas.
+ In all probability a more reliable car.
+ Fun to drive.
+ Good resale.
- 1st year of a new model, you'll have teething problems.
- A very common car.
- Econ box base.
RX-8
+ Very fun to drive.
+ Looks very nice. True sports car look.
+ Higher class car.
+ Great performance.
+ An uncommon car.
- GAS MILAGE of an M1 tank.
- Not a practical car compared to a non-sport car.
- Reliability of the Rotary is unknown but, I believe it will be good.
- Mazda's support of the RX-8 has been poor (My opinion)
- Maintenance and precautionary quarts with a Rotary.
- Poor in the snow.
+ An easier car to live with. More room, bigger truck.
+ Better in the snow(if that is an issue)
+ Far better with the gas.
+ In all probability a more reliable car.
+ Fun to drive.
+ Good resale.
- 1st year of a new model, you'll have teething problems.
- A very common car.
- Econ box base.
RX-8
+ Very fun to drive.
+ Looks very nice. True sports car look.
+ Higher class car.
+ Great performance.
+ An uncommon car.
- GAS MILAGE of an M1 tank.
- Not a practical car compared to a non-sport car.
- Reliability of the Rotary is unknown but, I believe it will be good.
- Mazda's support of the RX-8 has been poor (My opinion)
- Maintenance and precautionary quarts with a Rotary.
- Poor in the snow.
Also a negative of the Civic is FWD. As a stock car this might be OK (even then you get torque steer), but once you start adding power it will really affect the handling of the FWD far more than RWD. Also I have seen several FWD crash at the track where if they were RWD it would not have happened. Stock for stock the handling numbers look good on paper for the SI, but in real world track/aggrssive driving I think the cars would be quite different.
That being said. When I saw the Civic Si at the LA Autoshow I liked it quite a bit. Very nice car. I would definitely get that car before a VM GTI, SRT4, Cobalt SS or even a Mini Cooper S.
04-19-2006, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Fanman
Nice list, but I would disagree with the point of easier car to live with a bit. The swing open rear doors are a huge advantage for us on the ability to fit 4 people. I have never had an easy time getting into & fitting into the back of a Civic coupe. Trunk yes, but space inside the passenger compartment would go to the RX8.
Also a negative of the Civic is FWD. As a stock car this might be OK (even then you get torque steer), but once you start adding power it will really affect the handling of the FWD far more than RWD. Also I have seen several FWD crash at the track where if they were RWD it would not have happened. Stock for stock the handling numbers look good on paper for the SI, but in real world track/aggrssive driving I think the cars would be quite different.
That being said. When I saw the Civic Si at the LA Autoshow I liked it quite a bit. Very nice car. I would definitely get that car before a VM GTI, SRT4, Cobalt SS or even a Mini Cooper S.
Also a negative of the Civic is FWD. As a stock car this might be OK (even then you get torque steer), but once you start adding power it will really affect the handling of the FWD far more than RWD. Also I have seen several FWD crash at the track where if they were RWD it would not have happened. Stock for stock the handling numbers look good on paper for the SI, but in real world track/aggrssive driving I think the cars would be quite different.
That being said. When I saw the Civic Si at the LA Autoshow I liked it quite a bit. Very nice car. I would definitely get that car before a VM GTI, SRT4, Cobalt SS or even a Mini Cooper S.
04-19-2006, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
Here come the fanbois!
Zero to 100 mph 17.5 sec 16.0 sec 16.8 sec 13.4 sec
Standing 1/4-mile 15.1 sec@ 93 mph 14.6 sec@ 96 mph 15.1@ 95 mph 13.9@ 103
One of the above cars is clearly faster than the others, and it's not the Civic SI or RX-8, which are pretty close whether your fanboi vision will allow you to see that or not.
(Hint: the first two sets of numbers are from the only production version of the RX-8 C&D has ever tested. 3rd set is the Civic SI, 4th the SRT-4)
Zero to 100 mph 17.5 sec 16.0 sec 16.8 sec 13.4 sec
Standing 1/4-mile 15.1 sec@ 93 mph 14.6 sec@ 96 mph 15.1@ 95 mph 13.9@ 103
One of the above cars is clearly faster than the others, and it's not the Civic SI or RX-8, which are pretty close whether your fanboi vision will allow you to see that or not.
(Hint: the first two sets of numbers are from the only production version of the RX-8 C&D has ever tested. 3rd set is the Civic SI, 4th the SRT-4)
Ike, you have a new and different set of numbers for every topic, all of which sing the praises of any car besides the RX-8. (I urge anyone who does not believe me to do a search). Here are the facts, Ike, something in which you do not appear to deal. Pick up a Road and Track Magazine (I don't care how inaccurate you say they are, they're professional automotive journalists who know a hell of a lot more than you do). In the back, there's a handy section called "Road Test Summary" which lists stats for every car they've tested. I don't have time to post them now, because I'm about to board a plane, but this database will show you quite clearly that a. the RX-8 bests the Civic in every category and b. the SRT-4 is not the performer you say it is, irrelevant as that may be.
04-19-2006, 06:04 PM
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All i can can is you are comparing the wrong two vehicles. if you are trying to get 200k miles out of the car (commuter) get the civic, if you want fun and can afford the gas woes get the rx-8
04-19-2006, 07:06 PM
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ok, out of another rag mag, Motor trend, here are the stats:
Honda civic si 0-60=6.7/15.1 braking 70-0= 179 feet. skid pad 0.91g
Dodge SRT4 0-60=5.6/14.3 braking 70-0= 161 feet, skid pad.86g
Mazda rx8 0-60=5.9/14.5 braking 70-0= 144 feet, skid pad 0.91g
Thats out of this months edition...as you can see the .3 sec's between the srt4 and the rx8 is pretty insurmountable while the .8 secs between the civic and the rx8 are virtually tied...
1/4 times are a drivers race except for the .2 sec that the srt4 is faster each and every time.
Of course, the heaviest of the 3 cars stops the quickest, but thats because the track must have been wet for the other cars. Different drivers, different conditions, different road, but never because the rx is better...
and the skid pad...oh no, even the civic beats the srt4...
Honda civic si 0-60=6.7/15.1 braking 70-0= 179 feet. skid pad 0.91g
Dodge SRT4 0-60=5.6/14.3 braking 70-0= 161 feet, skid pad.86g
Mazda rx8 0-60=5.9/14.5 braking 70-0= 144 feet, skid pad 0.91g
Thats out of this months edition...as you can see the .3 sec's between the srt4 and the rx8 is pretty insurmountable while the .8 secs between the civic and the rx8 are virtually tied...
1/4 times are a drivers race except for the .2 sec that the srt4 is faster each and every time.
Of course, the heaviest of the 3 cars stops the quickest, but thats because the track must have been wet for the other cars. Different drivers, different conditions, different road, but never because the rx is better...
and the skid pad...oh no, even the civic beats the srt4...
04-19-2006, 08:42 PM
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Three cars go to the 1/4 mile dragstrip together, at the end of that dragstrip one is going 103mph, the other two are going 95mph. Which car is clearly faster than the others, which two cars are about the same?
