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Old 07-22-2012, 07:14 PM
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Question Driving automatic in Manual Mode Better?

hey bros, first time poster long time lurker. Just recently picked up a used 06 RX8 automatic GT. Was floored by the test drive. It was like driving a rocket ship! pretty awesome and pretty intense. I'm doing all the right things maintenance-wise but I had a question:

I know everyone hates the automatic RX8 drivers, BUT I really dig driving in manual mode. In fact, for the first few weeks I didn't even know how to drive it in regular auto! haha. I kept messing with the **** shifter trying to find it, until I finally did! haha I know, pretty bad. But basically what I'm curious about is:

1. does driving in manual mode on the automatic, better for the engine than driving in strictly auto? Does it increase the life of the engine?

2. does it yield better gas mileage?

3. does it give you more power than in auto mode?/as much power as a true manual rx8?

4. if I drive it in manual only mode am I still considered a sissy auto owner? hahha.

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you sound like a troll but I just think you are too lazy to research.
1. we all said redline a day keeps the carbon away. driving in manual mode has nothing to do with engine life. you still can keep the RPM down if you want to but manual mode does give you ability to keep the rpm up.
2. again, it has nothing to do with what mode you are in. its the way you drive. I dont think lead footing in auto mode will give you better MPG than driving like a granny in manual mode.
3. no. your 06 auto has 210hp where manual version has 232hp. different redline and tune.
4. that would depend on you. you can either dont give a **** or you can consider its a bit ***** driving an auto. I drive a manual car and an automatic car depending if I am just going to work and buy grocery or hitting the curves and pretend I am a pro driver doing all the heel and toe.
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no my question was def legit. no troll. I did do research, but there's not a lot of talk about the manual mode in the auto.

Yeah I definitely noticed that the rpm is higher. I've heard talk that the auto's have more engine trouble than the manuals....thus running an auto in manual mode would logically seem to be alleviate some of this????

same with performance. I've noticed manual mode has noticeably more acceleration. its not just a placebo...there's def more torque.
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Older autos were troublesome. And, your logic is flawed. It had nothing to do with the transmission.

It feels more powerful because of the red line. No difference, otherwise
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Auto = 4 speed
Manual = 6 speed

What's faster? Get a manual if you want to go fast.
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Auto = 4 speed
Manual = 6 speed

What's faster? Get a manual if you want to go fast.
06 has 6 speed auto and 210hp.
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Originally Posted by jasonrxeight View Post
06 has 6 speed auto and 210hp.

Oh...never knew that. lol
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4. Yes

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1. Yes, cuz' you rev to higher rpm where the power of the rotary is. In auto mode, it keeps you around 3k or 4k. The peak torque is around 5k, fyi.
2. In auto mode yes, not in manual mode. Really depends on how you drive and your average rpm.
3. More than auto mode, cuz' you can rev much higher at anytime. No point to compare to manual...you know why.
4. You are what you are, not what you drive. lol
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1. Yes, cuz' you rev to higher rpm where the power of the rotary is. In auto mode, it keeps you around 3k or 4k. The peak torque is around 5k, fyi.
Not true. I have an '07 auto, and if I floor it, it won't upshift until it reaches the 7500 rpm redline. Push down 2/3 of the way, and it will always fly past 5k and shift at closer to 6k.

As far as the auto goes, I find myself leaving it in auto mode more often then not, as it definitely shifts a whole lot more then if I were to take over the shifting chores. At 75 mph, pushing to about half throttle, the auto will downshift to fourth, something I probably wouldn't consider while putting it in manual mode. Fifth perhaps, but not down to fourth. This auto shifts a whole lot more then I would be shifting under normal driving. Also, there's a turn onto a wide, seldom used back street I use going to work. It's sort of my redline a day run. I'll make the turn, stomp on the gas, the auto will downshift to second, run to the redline, shift to third, run to the redline where I'll then back off before I start to run out of room before the intersection. When I back off, the trans will not upshift immediately like most autos. I'll wait for about 3-4 seconds as if it's anticipating that I just may want to stomp on it again. I've never experienced such an intuitive auto. The Mazda engineers really thought through the programming of this auto. I find it hard to improve on how they set it up. That's not to mean that I never use the paddle shifters, as they are a lot of fun, but I use them much less then I thought I would when I first got the car.

This is the first sports car I've ever owned with an auto. Besides all of those I've owned in the past, my current other two, the Miata and the '59 TR3, both have manuals. I originally wanted an RX-8 with a manual, but this one with the auto came around, and I was pleasantly surprised when I drove it, so I bought it.

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I dont really see the difference in using the manual mode vs driving the manual car. I know the auto is less HP, but unless your commute includes a 120 mph stretch of nurburgring I think the difference is pretty negligible.

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Actually, handling is much better when you use manual mode on a AT 8. No joke. That's one fact most don't know.
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Originally Posted by FernandoVenezuela View Post
I dont really see the difference in using the manual mode vs driving the manual car. I know the auto is less HP, but unless your commute includes a 120 mph stretch of nurburgring I think the difference is pretty negligible.
1. Not all members brag, or even care about the difference between manual/auto.
2. Many users here are young and immature.
3. Up until the part that I quoted as bold, I was kind of agreeing with you.

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1. Not all members brag, or even care about the difference between manual/auto.
2. Many users here are young and immature.
3. Up until the part that I quoted as bold, I was kind of agreeing with you.
I'm also on bodybuilding forums. No joke.

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Originally Posted by FernandoVenezuela View Post
I dont really see the difference in using the manual mode vs driving the manual car. I know the auto is less HP, but unless your commute includes a 120 mph stretch of nurburgring I think the difference is pretty negligible.
manuals are just more fun and more involving. nobody said manuals are better, its all personal opinion. I just like to work with the gearbox and clutch and have fun with heel & toe. I also have an auto BMW just to get grocery and go to work. nothing wrong with it and I like it.

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not saying I'm some kind of bad *** bodybuilder, just that I use the forums on bb.com and I think this site should emulate that site. I mean being an rx8 owner is just like being a fitness freak...it makes you a minority. And as members of a minority subculture we should share info and stick together, not be hardcore phaggots. Thats all I'm saying! hhaha. Its an Rx8 bros....not a ferrari...lets be real here...haha.
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not saying I'm some kind of bad *** bodybuilder, just that I use the forums on bb.com and I think this site should emulate that site. I mean being an rx8 owner is just like being a fitness freak...it makes you a minority. And as members of a minority subculture we should share info and stick together, not be hardcore phaggots. Thats all I'm saying! hhaha. Its an Rx8 bros....not a ferrari...lets be real here...haha.
I still dont understand what you saying.

so you are saying Ferraris are all autos?
I dont get what you saying here. just drive the damn car and be happy about it. no one is judging you only yourself.

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so you are saying Ferraris are all autos?...
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Actually, as of 2012, all Ferraris will come equipped only with paddle shifters. The clutch pedal is history. Ferrari click-clack manual transmissions, RIP | Car Blogs | Car Magazine Online

Not exactly an auto (with torque converter) , but clutch work and heel-and-toe have been relegated to the trash bin.

The fact of the matter is that the six speed auto in the RX-8 is an excellent transmission. If you haven't driven one, find an RX-8 with one and give it a go, both in auto and manual mode. Any criticism you had for it previously might just vanish. The only way it could have been made better would have been to make it like the transmission in the Ferraris. It can't be that expensive to do, they had them available in the Toyota MR2's.
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Actually, as of 2012, all Ferraris will come equipped only with paddle shifters. The clutch pedal is history. Ferrari click-clack manual transmissions, RIP | Car Blogs | Car Magazine Online

Not exactly an auto (with torque converter) , but clutch work and heel-and-toe have been relegated to the trash bin.

The fact of the matter is that the six speed auto in the RX-8 is an excellent transmission. If you haven't driven one, find an RX-8 with one and give it a go, both in auto and manual mode. Any criticism you had for it previously might just vanish. The only way it could have been made better would have been to make it like the transmission in the Ferraris. It can't be that expensive to do, they had them available in the Toyota MR2's.
I know. its sad. I still prefer a proper manual.
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Enjoy the car man! My last a car was 350Z auto and went up to the Dragon and put that sucker in manuel mode had just as much fun as a Manuel. I almost bought a GT with a Auto but got a better deal on my Sport 6 speed RX-8.

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hey bros, first time poster long time lurker. Just recently picked up a used 06 RX8 automatic GT. Was floored by the test drive. It was like driving a rocket ship! pretty awesome and pretty intense. I'm doing all the right things maintenance-wise but I had a question:

I know everyone hates the automatic RX8 drivers, BUT I really dig driving in manual mode. In fact, for the first few weeks I didn't even know how to drive it in regular auto! haha. I kept messing with the **** shifter trying to find it, until I finally did! haha I know, pretty bad. But basically what I'm curious about is:

1. does driving in manual mode on the automatic, better for the engine than driving in strictly auto? Does it increase the life of the engine?

2. does it yield better gas mileage?

3. does it give you more power than in auto mode?/as much power as a true manual rx8?

4. if I drive it in manual only mode am I still considered a sissy auto owner? hahha.

thanks for any answers, and sorry in advance for the noobish nature of my ?'s Im sure they have been asked many times. InB4 "learn how to use the search bar!"
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Not true. I have an '07 auto, and if I floor it, it won't upshift until it reaches the 7500 rpm redline. Push down 2/3 of the way, and it will always fly past 5k and shift at closer to 6k.

As far as the auto goes, I find myself leaving it in auto mode more often then not, as it definitely shifts a whole lot more then if I were to take over the shifting chores. At 75 mph, pushing to about half throttle, the auto will downshift to fourth, something I probably wouldn't consider while putting it in manual mode. Fifth perhaps, but not down to fourth. This auto shifts a whole lot more then I would be shifting under normal driving. Also, there's a turn onto a wide, seldom used back street I use going to work. It's sort of my redline a day run. I'll make the turn, stomp on the gas, the auto will downshift to second, run to the redline, shift to third, run to the redline where I'll then back off before I start to run out of room before the intersection. When I back off, the trans will not upshift immediately like most autos. I'll wait for about 3-4 seconds as if it's anticipating that I just may want to stomp on it again. I've never experienced such an intuitive auto. The Mazda engineers really thought through the programming of this auto. I find it hard to improve on how they set it up. That's not to mean that I never use the paddle shifters, as they are a lot of fun, but I use them much less then I thought I would when I first got the car.

This is the first sports car I've ever owned with an auto. Besides all of those I've owned in the past, my current other two, the Miata and the '59 TR3, both have manuals. I originally wanted an RX-8 with a manual, but this one with the auto came around, and I was pleasantly surprised when I drove it, so I bought it.
I track a 07 6spd auto, and this guy has the best review of the trans that I've heard.

I think it's next to impossible for a person to feel the load better than the car, and I'm too distracted finding the tires limits while I drive.

I just let it shift normally for any driving, and I get best mileage easing around town; not keeping high revs.

When you feel like it just go floor board it a lot to put a heat and rpm load on it to clean carbon.

I autocrossed and drove like I stole a 73 RX3 with 4 speed manual, and this auto is much more fun (I never miss or scratch a syncho either).
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I dont really see the difference in using the manual mode vs driving the manual car...
With an auto, your left foot will atrophy.

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...I participate a lot on the bodybuilding.com forum...
Ahhh... no problem. Adjust your training to compensate for the idle left foot, and you'll be fine.

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I dont really see the difference in using the manual mode vs driving the manual car. I know the auto is less HP, but unless your commute includes a 120 mph stretch of nurburgring I think the difference is pretty negligible.
let me preface by saying that I have never driven a manualmatic car versus a manual car of the same make and model, but I have driven plenty of manual cars, auto cars, and manualmatic cars. The manualmatic cars in manual mode do not feel any where near the same as a manual car. There is no arguement that a manualmatic car in manual mode will most likely shift smoother and faster than a manual car, because of the human factor...but it is the human factor that makes driving fun

do you want to drive a car? or have the car drive you? for me, the less electro-driver-assist-gadget-doodads there is on a car the better. If you flip your car going around a bend because you went in too hot, then too bad for you, learn to drive. Each new generation of cars with its "safety features" that dictates how a driver should drive makes driving less and less fun for me...the thing I hate most about my rx8, besides the fake pieces that do nothing for the car, is the audio controls and cruise controls on the steering wheel...the steering wheel is for steering, not for fumbling around with the audio controls

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All from the faq, theres no need for any debate here. It is what it is.

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Automatic vs Manual:
A common debate around here, that usually gets worse each time with people not referring to stuff correctly.

What Gs you feel when you push the gas pedal down is torque. Having a flat torque curve is ideal, the higher the better usually.

The top speed and acceleration rate over time, is horsepower. Horsepower is also a function of torque, and you don't want a flat horsepower curve, because that means that your torque drops off.

A "fast" car refers to top speed (whether straight line aero or "top speed through a corner"), a "quick" car refers to acceleration. Your best acceleration will be in the RPM range with the greatest amount of "area under the horsepower curve". Peak horsepower and torque don't mean much.

The Manual is overall faster and quicker than the automatic, enough though they both produce about the same amount of torque, or acceleration Gs that you feel. The manual, having the higher redline, just means that it can hold those acceleration Gs, that acceleration rate, for longer before having to shift to a higher gear with a different torque multiplier.

One won't feel faster than the other until you get to 125mph, where the auto's speed limiter will kick in (manual's don't have that)t. The manual will get there quicker than the auto, but it won't really "feel" faster.


And the paddle shifters on the 8 are just additional "buttons" that trigger up and down shifts, just like the shifter's + and - gates. You are still telling the ECU "ok, please shift now", and which direction to go. You still have the slush box reaction time, the same shift speed, etc...

The higher end supercars with paddleshifters aren't slush boxes, but rather what is essentially a computer controlled clutch foot and shift wrist. It disengages the drivetrain, moves the gears around, and reengages the drivetrain. In less than a heartbeat.

Our auto's don't have that
Also from Riwwp and teamrx8..

Why are we so hard / harsh on newbies?

You may notice that many new owners join this forum and promptly create a thread that generates lots of negative feedback from the people already here, the newbie ends up getting butthurt about it and claims it's a "mean forum" or "we are all dicks", etc... Not every newbie of course, and just the fact that you are reading this thread means you probably won't subject yourself to that. But why do we do it?

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