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can turbo 8 beat stock sti??

Old Apr 13, 2009 | 03:49 PM
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a turbo'd 8 would have a good chance against a stock STi.

Yes, but where would one find such a thing as a 'stock STi'?

First week would be a Cobb tune, next week the Green turbo upgrade and by months end it has gone from that silly top mounted IC to a proper front mount.......

....unless you could find someone in their first six days of ownership, you can pass on racing any STis.
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Old Apr 13, 2009 | 04:00 PM
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Well maybe not that fast although lots of people have a sizable budget for mods although I’m not one of them. You have to figure that it costs all of $650-700 for an Accessport which will give you a 12%hp boost and 17% torque boost (OTS 93oct map estimates YMMV) while starting boost earlier. The stock tune is pretty bad IMO. So yeah I don’t’ think you’d find too many stock STI’s out there. And lots of people go stage two for another grand or so (pro tune and catted DP).

Speed just isn’t the feature point for an RX8, it’s Miata like handling with room for four. And is looks great!
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Old Apr 13, 2009 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by StealthTL
a turbo'd 8 would have a good chance against a stock STi.

Yes, but where would one find such a thing as a 'stock STi'?

First week would be a Cobb tune, next week the Green turbo upgrade and by months end it has gone from that silly top mounted IC to a proper front mount.......

....unless you could find someone in their first six days of ownership, you can pass on racing any STis.
not to mention wrx's too. most wrx's on the road are even faster than a sti.
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Old Apr 13, 2009 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Design1stCode2nd
For the pruposes of this thread a a turbo'd 8 would have a good chance against a stock STI. STI's typically put down about 225 AWHP and will run mid 13's.

The problem is not many STI's you come across are going to be stock. Mine's a family hauler that I got 3 months ago and I'm running a stage 1 map and a CBE. I wouldn't head to a strip or go against anyone really until I had at least a stage two with a tune, about 265hp and a fair bump in torque.
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Straight from an STI owner - 225hp .

A well tuned greddy turbo 8 is making 250-260 AND is a lighter car .
In all but the first few metres it is no freaking contest ......
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Old Apr 13, 2009 | 10:42 PM
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Should checkout the overboosted overlords thread, evidently a well tuned greddy can make 300 now. Crazy stuff.
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Old Apr 13, 2009 | 10:45 PM
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Why did you bring back this stupid thread?

LOL @ THEORY ON WHY GREDDY TURBOS PWN SUPERCHARGERS, By Brettus...
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Old Apr 14, 2009 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
Straight from an STI owner - 225hp .

A well tuned greddy turbo 8 is making 250-260 AND is a lighter car .
In all but the first few metres it is no freaking contest ......
As I said though most will not be stock and how often will you run against someone with a stock STI on perfectly smooth roads? Add in driver skill, road debris, oil, water, etc; there are a lot of factors. I used to spin my snows in 40 degree weather on a damp road all the time. Hell a wrangler had to slow down as I was still spinning in second gear, yet I wouldn’t slip in the STI on summers (changed out the summers of course).

I could probably take a corvette in the rain when normally they would crush me.

If you’ve got the money and love the 8 I think FI is a great idea. While it’s not going to be a stoplight racer it will definitely improve the driving enjoyment. Who doesn’t like more power and torque? I’m already getting used to mine and want more, its an addiction.
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Old Apr 14, 2009 | 12:46 PM
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i love gto's in austin i went to a meet and they all greeted vry well!!! they liked my exhaust and how it didnt drone!!!
but they also remind me alittle of my 8
That's very cool. I bet it was up at 183 and 1431, right? I sometimes get out there.

What's funny is last year we had a GTO vs STi "grudge match" night at the local drag strip. There's one guy that lives nearby it with a GTO that ran 11.07 at 122, which is freakishly amazing, because it's a crappy track and they don't prepare it very well. I think he ended up scaring all the STi guys away.

They should have an STi vs turbo RX8 grudge match. Somebody organize it.
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Old Apr 14, 2009 | 01:09 PM
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I can't believe this Stock vs Mod thread is still going. Most cars, if turbo'ed or SC'ed, will beat a stock competitor. Besides, a stock Rx8 can beat a stock STI, aslong as your racing around a rotary.
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Old Apr 14, 2009 | 09:47 PM
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im calling BS on brettus' dyno.

it shows he has 650Nm of torque. thats 480lbs/ft.

something's not right.
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Old Apr 14, 2009 | 10:01 PM
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i don't see why this is going but eh, whatever.

STOCK sti will beat a turbo'd or sc'd 8.

but we will never find a stock sti...

almost anything turbo'd can have anywhere from 10-40 hp gain just from "chipping"
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Old Apr 14, 2009 | 10:02 PM
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Old Apr 14, 2009 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by kersh4w
im calling BS on brettus' dyno.

it shows he has 650Nm of torque. thats 480lbs/ft.

something's not right.
we are all torque down here mate
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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
That's very cool. I bet it was up at 183 and 1431, right? I sometimes get out there.

What's funny is last year we had a GTO vs STi "grudge match" night at the local drag strip. There's one guy that lives nearby it with a GTO that ran 11.07 at 122, which is freakishly amazing, because it's a crappy track and they don't prepare it very well. I think he ended up scaring all the STi guys away.

They should have an STi vs turbo RX8 grudge match. Somebody organize it.
I feel sorry that the last bastion of american muscle is encroached by Japanese small potters. And one that is not even a drag-racer to begin with but would feel more at home drifting around snow or muddy roads. I don't think I ever saw a Pontiac G-whatever or Camaro doing Rally of Tall Pines at all. How sad....
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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by always.anthony
STOCK sti will beat a turbo'd or sc'd 8.


^^Typo?? And I agree. Most sti's are not stock because the cheap mods do so much for them. Unlike the 8 where you actually need to spend some mulah to get any real gains.
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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by delhi
I feel sorry that the last bastion of american muscle is encroached by Japanese small potters. And one that is not even a drag-racer to begin with but would feel more at home drifting around snow or muddy roads. I don't think I ever saw a Pontiac G-whatever or Camaro doing Rally of Tall Pines at all. How sad....
Ok. More education for the ignorant masses, er, delhi... the GTO is built Melbourne, Australia. It's an import. Second, the GTO is an ABSOLUTELY AWFUL "drag-racer". It wasn't designed for it either. But you didn't know that... so you're forgiven. Oh, and you know where you can stuff your Tall Pines.

The point was that a couple of car communities could come together to find out who was faster in acceleration at various levels of modding. That's all. No forum threads based based on conjecture... measure it and prove it.
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Old Apr 15, 2009 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jmc23200


^^Typo?? And I agree. Most sti's are not stock because the cheap mods do so much for them. Unlike the 8 where you actually need to spend some mulah to get any real gains.
yes typo thanks for catching that... stock sti WILL NOTT beat a turbo or sc'd rx8.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
Ok. More education for the ignorant masses, er, delhi... the GTO is built Melbourne, Australia. It's an import. Second, the GTO is an ABSOLUTELY AWFUL "drag-racer". It wasn't designed for it either. But you didn't know that... so you're forgiven. Oh, and you know where you can stuff your Tall Pines.

The point was that a couple of car communities could come together to find out who was faster in acceleration at various levels of modding. That's all. No forum threads based based on conjecture... measure it and prove it.
Don't need to get all your panties knotted. It is an observation at the state of americana automotive is being siege by small displacement Japanese cars. That gotta hurt the mullet folks.
But you are forgiven for not comprehending the above observations.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 01:46 PM
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I would like to see for once,

A non turbo STi vs a Bone Stock MT RX-8. Yeah, I know no STi owner is going to take off their turbo, but it would be great to see.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 02:54 PM
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I would like to see for once,

A non turbo STi vs a Bone Stock MT RX-8. Yeah, I know no STi owner is going to take off their turbo, but it would be great to see.
What the heck are you talking about? A non-turbo STi is not an STi but an Impreza with STi stickers.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 04:01 PM
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What the heck are you talking about? A non-turbo STi is not an STi but an Impreza with STi stickers.
No ! I want a full STi, Brembo Brakes and all, just without a turbo. You know why ? Because I know I would win
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 04:08 PM
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this comparison is not fair.

its turbo vs turbo, sure. but one car has to remain stock?

its going to come down to an individual car to car race. but we have rx8s with over 350whp. they should be running 12s. that dyno esmeril posted, 414whp, should be good for 11s. definitely good for 11s with drag tires.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rxheart
no ! I want a full sti, brembo brakes and all, just without a turbo. You know why ? Because i know i would win
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kersh4w
this comparison is not fair.

its turbo vs turbo, sure. but one car has to remain stock?

its going to come down to an individual car to car race. but we have rx8s with over 350whp. they should be running 12s. that dyno esmeril posted, 414whp, should be good for 11s. definitely good for 11s with drag tires.
FWIW, it takes 4 mods to get to 400whp+ on the new STI. Probably $5k in parts, mostly just a bigger turbo and tuning. That is pretty much the limit of the stock engine.
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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
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Maybe just a little bit. Sounds stupid I too agree. But it's still something I want.
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