Grimace

116-142 HP Miata's spank higher horsepower cars constantly in an autocross.

Evolv

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We can only hope that the price is kept down low. I would prefer to see many 8's on the road, similar to the 1st gen. RX-7.

I believe that the price, loaded will come in at 40K Canadian. So in preperation, I have been looking at everything that is available in that price range.

I will not make any decissions until I see the 8. But atleast I will be prepared to make that decission when the car arrives.

Just to make sure I get one, I will be making my pre-order as soon as they are accepting them here. Ofcourse I will add a clause that will allow me to get out of it, incase I don't like it.

Happy hunting,

cOz

Not a sports car because it has four doors???? This is a sports car with four doors. There has never been anything like it! If you dont believe its a sport car then read the specs and tell me what a sports car is. Mazda is going to price it well and clean-up!!! Props to mazda and their big bXXls.

wakeech

speculation on price based on UK prices is silly... 'cause i'm sure very few of us on the forum are intimately familiar with US trade regs right now, or are an economist... a direct conversion from brit price to US$ minus some is really not going to give you a good indication if you want it accurate to a few thousand US$'s...
don't worry, 'm sure that mazda (and ford) recognize the higher sales potential in the US market, and wouldn't try to earn as much profit per car, as they would in the UK... don't forget too that to ship the cars to the States is going to cost FAR LESS than to ship them to the UK... just some thoughts guys

wakeech

speculation on price based on UK prices is silly... 'cause i'm sure very few of us on the forum are intimately familiar with US trade regs right now, or are an economist... a direct conversion from brit price to US$ minus some is really not going to give you a good indication if you want it accurate to a few thousand US$'s...
don't worry, 'm sure that mazda (and ford) recognize the higher sales potential in the US market, and wouldn't try to earn as much profit per car, as they would in the UK... don't forget too that to ship the cars to the States is going to cost FAR LESS than to ship them to the UK... just some thoughts guys

toddkageals

Guys,

My view:

A car enthusiast knows a sports car when he sees it. It does not matter how many doors it has or how much power or which wheels get driven. When I look at the RX8 I know it's a sports car! The bonus is, it has 4 doors. As for price if it's much above the 26 K that R&T talked about, I won't be able to afford it. Keep it around 25 and I'll take one as soon as the rubber meets the road.

Todd

PS. IF the RX8 can out-perform a 3rd gen. RX7 then that is plenty of performance for me.

wakeech

there's no way that the new rx-8 could ever beat the last 7... less torque, more mass are the biggest detriments... sure sure, "more rigid than the last 7" but it'll never make up for lack of turbos and the extra seats...

cshepley

The peak power figure is about equal, so if there were no weight difference it could match the rx-7s performance. Especially if it makes a good use of that extra gear (i.e. no overdrive). Another thing to think about is that it will have a 50:50 weight distribution because the engine is located behind the front axle. Should make for some sharp handling.

Besides, the estimated weight according to R&T is 2970lbs, the 1995 RX-7 weighed 2862. A hundred pounds is not that big of a difference, and there is no turbo lag to contend with anymore either (even though it is pretty negligible in with the sequential turbos).

Styjan

1995 RX-7:
HP 255 @6500rpm
Torque 217 @5000rpm

2004 RX-8: (est by R&T)
HP 250 @ 8500 rpm
Torque 162 @7500rpm

Looks like the 7 would be faster in a straight line, but on the track is something the numbers can't show.

toddkageals

Well....honestly, anywhere near the 3rd gens. performance is more than enough for the street. You think that number is right for torque??? Seems strange that they would build that new engine with that much less torque.

Todd

wakeech

the reason that the RENESIS has so much less torque than the 13BREW is because it doesn't have a forced induction system... the 13BREW had sequential twin turbos (first ever in a production car), but the RENESIS will be "all motor" (aspirated at atmospheric pressure)
BUT REMEMBER, that kind of torque for 1.3L is absolutely unparalleled by any other kind of gasoline engine in the world (not to mention the power!!)

but that 2862 lb. mass for the 1995 7, was that for the sport model (whatever it was called...)?? i thought it was considerably lighter (couple of hundred pounds)...
but on the track, because of the shorter wheel base, aero, (presumably) sportier setup, i don't htink that the RX-8 could keep up, although i've no doubts that it will be rather spectacular for a sedan.

wakeech

the reason that the RENESIS has so much less torque than the 13BREW is because it doesn't have a forced induction system... the 13BREW had sequential twin turbos (first ever in a production car), but the RENESIS will be "all motor" (aspirated at atmospheric pressure)
BUT REMEMBER, that kind of torque for 1.3L is absolutely unparalleled by any other kind of gasoline engine in the world (not to mention the power!!)

but that 2862 lb. mass for the 1995 7, was that for the sport model (whatever it was called...)?? i thought it was considerably lighter (couple of hundred pounds)...
but on the track, because of the shorter wheel base, aero, (presumably) sportier setup, i don't think that the RX-8 could keep up, although i've no doubts that it will be rather spectacular for a sedan.

RX-pecting

not gonna quote anyone,

there's alot of lines of fire here, all for stupid reasons IMHO

1. consider the 8 any way you want. the most unbiased opinion is: hybrid, and as someone in this disproportionately long thread said, the definition of sports cars is being streched with new models edging towards sales volume through practicality.

2. wait for it to come out, you can bet your bottom buck that it's gonna be pitted against it's predecessor, the spec sheets are too tight to compare with mere arguments (more weight, more hp, four door chassis BUT sturdier...) all this is inconclusive, don't forget we haven't even SEEN the thing move yet, not really...

but I digress: I posted a thread just prior to this one inquiring about the canadian prices, the current thread mentioned (at least at first) pricing, so does N E 1 have any idea what those might be in Canada (converting 26-30 us gives 39-45 canadian, but that's not the way cars cross the border...)

HOW MUCH IN CAD???

Rich

There was no predecessor for the RX-8. I agree that it will be compared to the RX-7, but the RX-8 is, to use the words of Shigeo Hirata, designer of RX-8 concept, "Absolutely not" the RX-7's successor. Click here for the link.

The RX-7 was an all-out sports car, and the RX-8 is not.

Team8

Base model on the 325is is around 27k don't panic.

Remember Maxima's share an engine with most every Nissan out there, Renisis is unique.

BlueAdept

Hmmm

The prices in the UK are normally a bit high compared to the US... I would suspect that if it's £26K over here then it'll definitely be less than $30K in the US... A lot of stuff has a 1:1 exchange rate in some areas... cars are a bit like that.

IMHO, £26K is pretty low for this car here... I was hoping it would be under 25K but 26 isn't too bad at all.

Can anyone post a link to that article as I couldn't find it.