04 with trashed engine
10-20-2010, 10:28 PM
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04 with trashed engine
New poster, but not new to RX's. Owned 88 RX7 and loved it.
I now have a 04 RX8 with 40, 000 miles currently in the shop with a trashed engine due to lack of compression. I thought mine was immune, but just too low mileage and not driven in heat year round.
So Mazda refuses to put in a new engine. Mazda wants to use a "remanufactured" (used engine that has already failed in someone else's car). What's that old saying, "the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior"
Has anyone had a "remanufactured" engine put in and care to share their experiences?
I am fed up with Mazda, they have known this issue for years and have been intentionally using deceptive practices to cover this issue up. Using different TSB names for the same issue, revising TSB rather than issuing TSBs, "voluntary emission recalls", and dealers that never perform the TSBs when they know they exist.
I see a lot of people screaming class action suit, has anyone actually acted on that?
It is clear by the way Mazda chose to ignore our satisfaction surveys and how fast Mazda took the leaked video down that they intend to cover up this issue and not deal with it ethically.
Its obvious that everyone can give up on complaing to Mazda, as they are in CYA mode and covering up the issue.
If you want to have your voice heard, go over Mazda's head to the BBB, FTC, NHTSA and your local state attorney's consumer affairs division.
Or perhaps better yet, think of issues that Toyota, BP and Goldman Sachs had lately.
What do Toyota, BP and Goldman Sachs all have in common, a story looping every 30 minutes on CNN and a public relations nightmare.
I now have a 04 RX8 with 40, 000 miles currently in the shop with a trashed engine due to lack of compression. I thought mine was immune, but just too low mileage and not driven in heat year round.
So Mazda refuses to put in a new engine. Mazda wants to use a "remanufactured" (used engine that has already failed in someone else's car). What's that old saying, "the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior"
Has anyone had a "remanufactured" engine put in and care to share their experiences?
I am fed up with Mazda, they have known this issue for years and have been intentionally using deceptive practices to cover this issue up. Using different TSB names for the same issue, revising TSB rather than issuing TSBs, "voluntary emission recalls", and dealers that never perform the TSBs when they know they exist.
I see a lot of people screaming class action suit, has anyone actually acted on that?
It is clear by the way Mazda chose to ignore our satisfaction surveys and how fast Mazda took the leaked video down that they intend to cover up this issue and not deal with it ethically.
Its obvious that everyone can give up on complaing to Mazda, as they are in CYA mode and covering up the issue.
If you want to have your voice heard, go over Mazda's head to the BBB, FTC, NHTSA and your local state attorney's consumer affairs division.
Or perhaps better yet, think of issues that Toyota, BP and Goldman Sachs had lately.
What do Toyota, BP and Goldman Sachs all have in common, a story looping every 30 minutes on CNN and a public relations nightmare.
10-20-2010, 10:40 PM
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Maybe you can give us some history of the car, location, maintenance, driving style, recalls and TSBs
Are you the original owner?
Generally it's bad form to make your first post a big rant against the RX8, Mazda and the world so Prepare the flame suit
Are you the original owner?
Generally it's bad form to make your first post a big rant against the RX8, Mazda and the world so Prepare the flame suit
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10-20-2010, 10:58 PM
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Sorry, I hear you on the rant. I literally spent all day on the phone today dealing with this issue and with Mazda arrogantly blowing smoke up my %$#.
Don't get me wrong I loved my RX7 and it is why I bought an RX8. The RX7 engine was wonderful.
The RX8 engine is a flawed design and Mazda is well aware of that. They are spending more time and money on their legal dept and public relations dept than fixing the issues.
As far as the car specifics go 04 RX8, purchased new, 40K miles, meticulously maintained, never abused, had all the TSBs and recalls that I could make the dealer do installed.
Now currently in the shop and Mazda has an severe attitude about it.
Again, sorry I am a big fan of the rotary engine. Mazda has me so fed up and frustrated.
Don't get me wrong I loved my RX7 and it is why I bought an RX8. The RX7 engine was wonderful.
The RX8 engine is a flawed design and Mazda is well aware of that. They are spending more time and money on their legal dept and public relations dept than fixing the issues.
As far as the car specifics go 04 RX8, purchased new, 40K miles, meticulously maintained, never abused, had all the TSBs and recalls that I could make the dealer do installed.
Now currently in the shop and Mazda has an severe attitude about it.
Again, sorry I am a big fan of the rotary engine. Mazda has me so fed up and frustrated.
10-20-2010, 11:14 PM
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The re-man engines Mazda uses were hit and miss for a while just like the originals... I think they've improved.
You can find replacement threads on this forum.
So what did your engine fail from? Carbon would be my guess
These engines like to be thrashed once they warm up: lots of high revs.
You mentioned heat... what's your location?
You can find replacement threads on this forum.
So what did your engine fail from? Carbon would be my guess
These engines like to be thrashed once they warm up: lots of high revs.
You mentioned heat... what's your location?
10-20-2010, 11:32 PM
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Thanks, I will have to search for the replacement threads.
I was told in 09 engine was totally redesigned to deal with the defective design issues.
Dealer never gives you any information unless you force them to. Never informed why specifcally it failed. I was just informed the car failed the tests due to low compression.
Located in midwest US, car does not like snow, but a few months of summer get quite warm.
Same exact area where I drove my RX7 for years without having an engine fail.
I was told in 09 engine was totally redesigned to deal with the defective design issues.
Dealer never gives you any information unless you force them to. Never informed why specifcally it failed. I was just informed the car failed the tests due to low compression.
Located in midwest US, car does not like snow, but a few months of summer get quite warm.
Same exact area where I drove my RX7 for years without having an engine fail.
10-20-2010, 11:54 PM
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I've gone through 3 engines in the car. The first 2 (original and replacement) were new from Japan. So getting a new one doesn't guaranty that you wouldn't have a problem. The third one was from a third party re-builder that Mazda had contracted out. That one was ****.
My present engine was rebuilt by Mazda's rebuild facility in Virginia and it is better than any of the previous engines that I have had.
My present engine was rebuilt by Mazda's rebuild facility in Virginia and it is better than any of the previous engines that I have had.
10-21-2010, 07:23 AM
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Id actually understand getting a rebuilt one, liek the guy a few posts before this said, just be happy you will be getting a new one unlike some of the unlucky people on here.
Reman or not you still have a bit on the engine warranty so if it craps out you do it again just keep reciepts of course.
10-21-2010, 08:47 AM
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https://www.rx8club.com/series-ii-technical-trouble-shooting-160/series-ii-mazda-oe-parts-number-listings-complete-188306/
I get it now!You expected an 09 spec engine in place of the failed one?
If you get that it will have to be with an 09 spec car.
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10-21-2010, 11:42 AM
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u said u got a 88? so its a s4. no issue ? lucky you.
the engine has no issue. the assembly line is the problem. i wont bother explaining it again. do a search.
as for new engine. b4 u say reman sucks. go learn what they use in the remann and try to understand this engine more
u said u got a 88? so its a s4. no issue ? lucky you.
the engine has no issue. the assembly line is the problem. i wont bother explaining it again. do a search.
as for new engine. b4 u say reman sucks. go learn what they use in the remann and try to understand this engine more
10-21-2010, 12:21 PM
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Thanks everyone for the info.
The list of chnages in the series 2 is immense and interesting. Major overhaul totally different car. engine changes are focused on lubrication and cooling, surprise surprise!
I've heard numerous stories of people having 2-3 engines replaced and the remanufactured are no better than the original.
Surprising since they are the same flawed design and have already suffered the damage of failing in a previous victims car.
I am curious how a person knows or can determine where the remanufactured engine came from and how/if it was remanufactured and has all the latest updates?
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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The list of chnages in the series 2 is immense and interesting. Major overhaul totally different car. engine changes are focused on lubrication and cooling, surprise surprise!
I've heard numerous stories of people having 2-3 engines replaced and the remanufactured are no better than the original.
Surprising since they are the same flawed design and have already suffered the damage of failing in a previous victims car.
I am curious how a person knows or can determine where the remanufactured engine came from and how/if it was remanufactured and has all the latest updates?
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
10-21-2010, 01:03 PM
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10-21-2010, 02:05 PM
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Some folks here went to NHTSA about the clutch pedal bracket failures...with the successful result that Mazda is instituting an extended warranty for the part.
BTW - the reason the dealer is not telling you why the engine failed is because they don't know. They don't get to open the engine up for a look. They just get a reman from Mazda and send the old one back. Part of the "White glove" treatment they talk about for the 4206f recall.
Ken
BTW - the reason the dealer is not telling you why the engine failed is because they don't know. They don't get to open the engine up for a look. They just get a reman from Mazda and send the old one back. Part of the "White glove" treatment they talk about for the 4206f recall.
Ken
10-21-2010, 06:47 PM
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Thanks everyone for the info.
The list of chnages in the series 2 is immense and interesting. Major overhaul totally different car. engine changes are focused on lubrication and cooling, surprise surprise!
I've heard numerous stories of people having 2-3 engines replaced and the remanufactured are no better than the original.
Surprising since they are the same flawed design and have already suffered the damage of failing in a previous victims car.
I am curious how a person knows or can determine where the remanufactured engine came from and how/if it was remanufactured and has all the latest updates?
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
The list of chnages in the series 2 is immense and interesting. Major overhaul totally different car. engine changes are focused on lubrication and cooling, surprise surprise!
I've heard numerous stories of people having 2-3 engines replaced and the remanufactured are no better than the original.
Surprising since they are the same flawed design and have already suffered the damage of failing in a previous victims car.
I am curious how a person knows or can determine where the remanufactured engine came from and how/if it was remanufactured and has all the latest updates?
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
in short, all they did was they drill an extra hole on both rotor housing for the extra injector. some updates here and there. but the engine are 98% the same as the current one.
Reman engine will not get those "so called updates" cuz it won't work. well, it will get the newest part, Mazda did make some update to the metallurgy and other slight changes, but its really minor.
the biggest update between the S2 & S1 is the completely new EMOP system. the MOP system found in S1 has been in use since 1989. Its time for an update.
10-21-2010, 09:43 PM
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Based off the information that DarkBrew posted earlier I have a very good idea of exactly what has changed in the engine. Here is the link again if anyone needs it.
Here's a list of changes
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=188306
Hopefully after looking at that long list there is no way that you can say the S1 engine is 98% the same as the S2 engine.
Its obvious that almost the entire oiling system has been changed, the computer, almost the entire cooling system and temperature sensors.
Hence the issues with hot temps and the test procedures, drive the car slow in warm temps with the A/C on full for 45 minutes then stop and wait until the car ilde drops or car stalls.
Any car with a defective design from the factory that does not provide adequate lubrication and cooling is going to destroy itself.
I see today in the news why NHTSA and the FTC are not investigating Mazda, they are too busy with Toyota and yet another recall from them!
Here's a list of changes
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=188306
Hopefully after looking at that long list there is no way that you can say the S1 engine is 98% the same as the S2 engine.
Its obvious that almost the entire oiling system has been changed, the computer, almost the entire cooling system and temperature sensors.
Hence the issues with hot temps and the test procedures, drive the car slow in warm temps with the A/C on full for 45 minutes then stop and wait until the car ilde drops or car stalls.
Any car with a defective design from the factory that does not provide adequate lubrication and cooling is going to destroy itself.
I see today in the news why NHTSA and the FTC are not investigating Mazda, they are too busy with Toyota and yet another recall from them!
10-22-2010, 02:21 AM
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I actually thought almost all replacement engines were reman's or at least rebuilt with your still-functional parts combined with new core parts + necessary replacements.
I agree it's a total nightmare for Mazda and many original owners, but from my perspective I'm taking advantage of the rock-bottom resale values that have come in consequence and getting a world-class sports car for damn cheap.
I agree it's a total nightmare for Mazda and many original owners, but from my perspective I'm taking advantage of the rock-bottom resale values that have come in consequence and getting a world-class sports car for damn cheap.
10-22-2010, 06:42 AM
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Get the reman without being such a ranting *****. Premix and voilą, problem solved.
Since you have an 04 you have probably spent a lot of time with the first pcm flash. Here's your problem, combined with not driving the car hard (by your claims).
Since you have an 04 you have probably spent a lot of time with the first pcm flash. Here's your problem, combined with not driving the car hard (by your claims).
