LSx Engine Swap: affects on handling
07-14-2010, 12:21 PM
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My dad bought a 2006 C6 Z06 (used with 8,000 miles) for $45K. Had navigation, heated seats, etc. Put $5K into a bigger cam, long tubes, high flow cats, cat-back, short throw shifter, dyno tune, cold air intake, and everything installed. Put down 539 rwhp, which is ZR1 power for literally half of the ZR1's price.
07-14-2010, 01:05 PM
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My dad bought a 2006 C6 Z06 (used with 8,000 miles) for $45K. Had navigation, heated seats, etc. Put $5K into a bigger cam, long tubes, high flow cats, cat-back, short throw shifter, dyno tune, cold air intake, and everything installed. Put down 539 rwhp, which is ZR1 power for literally half of the ZR1's price.
07-14-2010, 05:55 PM
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Who knows of a C6 Z06 under 40k miles that sells for $23k and has no negative records on the car fax? I will not buy a car older then the one I already have unless it's a 1963 Stingray Split window.
Besides that fact I stated before that the swap would not cost me this much since I will be doing some of the work with my brother.
07-17-2010, 03:57 PM
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I have done tons or research into ls1 swaps on various platforms and I have yet to see an serious cases of handling change complaints. Obviously shifting/adding weight will change handling however the added power more then makes up for what little weight shift cant be resolved with lighter hood, battery relocation,etc. There are more then a few swapped 7s and miatas racing and the seem to do well and nearly always better then unswapped versions of the same car in both autocross and circuits. Flyin miata took their first swapped car out and bettered there track record by 4 seconds from their turbo race car. Autocross is a similar story. Pretty good proof nothing is wrong because those FM miatas are fast and FM knows a thing or two about handling. The Rx8 may be a slightly different story but somehow I doubt it.
07-21-2010, 08:56 PM
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I know I know...stupid but I could not help but laugh at this...
http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/top10.htm
http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/top10.htm
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Admit it, you totally pulled that one out of your ***, dint you. You just picked the first number that sounded big that came into your head and spat it out. Try 1/4 of that.
07-28-2010, 11:07 PM
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A kit is getting closer to being a reality...
http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/s-942...3-present.aspx
"Update 7/28/10: We have complete the car with the exception of the cooling system. We received the radiator core, and we're designing the installation now. At this point, we are planning to have pricing, pictures, and video shortly. Give us another two weeks to road test the car and complete the project. We are looking forward to releasing the products.
The 1 7/8" stainless steel headers and 3" y-pipes are now in stock. They were custom built for the application, and they are required for the build. They meet the factory exhaust system behind the transmission for an easy installation."
http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/s-942...3-present.aspx
"Update 7/28/10: We have complete the car with the exception of the cooling system. We received the radiator core, and we're designing the installation now. At this point, we are planning to have pricing, pictures, and video shortly. Give us another two weeks to road test the car and complete the project. We are looking forward to releasing the products.
The 1 7/8" stainless steel headers and 3" y-pipes are now in stock. They were custom built for the application, and they are required for the build. They meet the factory exhaust system behind the transmission for an easy installation."
07-29-2010, 01:21 AM
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I'll be honest, I'm excited and disappointed at the same time. As much as I like having reliable power, gobs of torque, etc... it's an LS engine swap; they're getting WAY too common now.
I feel that the Renesis is going to get robbed of research and development. I think people are going to give up on it before it reaches its maximum potential but that's just my opinion.
As far as handling effects, I'm sure the LS1 is going to through the car off by a bit. With the extra power, it'll be negligible but I don't think the car is going to be as nimble or tossable as it was before. Face it guys, despite the modest weight gains from an LS engine, it's going to be seated in a different position, presumably higher and further towards the front of the car. However, turbo'd owners won't notice the weight gains as much. Since most higher horsepower turbo cars run a front mount setup and have to fit a big intercooler and turbo at the head of the car, I'm sure the LS1 swap might offer much better performance.
Hinson's swap kit is going to be great for our community as long as people don't completely give up on the Renesis.
I feel that the Renesis is going to get robbed of research and development. I think people are going to give up on it before it reaches its maximum potential but that's just my opinion.
As far as handling effects, I'm sure the LS1 is going to through the car off by a bit. With the extra power, it'll be negligible but I don't think the car is going to be as nimble or tossable as it was before. Face it guys, despite the modest weight gains from an LS engine, it's going to be seated in a different position, presumably higher and further towards the front of the car. However, turbo'd owners won't notice the weight gains as much. Since most higher horsepower turbo cars run a front mount setup and have to fit a big intercooler and turbo at the head of the car, I'm sure the LS1 swap might offer much better performance.
Hinson's swap kit is going to be great for our community as long as people don't completely give up on the Renesis.
07-29-2010, 02:08 AM
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I'll be honest, I'm excited and disappointed at the same time. As much as I like having reliable power, gobs of torque, etc... it's an LS engine swap; they're getting WAY too common now.
I feel that the Renesis is going to get robbed of research and development. I think people are going to give up on it before it reaches its maximum potential but that's just my opinion.
I feel that the Renesis is going to get robbed of research and development. I think people are going to give up on it before it reaches its maximum potential but that's just my opinion.
07-29-2010, 02:13 AM
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Side note:
Proof an Rx7 with an LS3 can do dangerous things...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-6sa...eature=related
"Yes...That is a Flying Lizard 996 GT3 RSR" 0:22
"GT3 RS behind and a GT1 car on my right side" 0:31
"This RSR is unrestricted...little more grunt then me" 3:04
(I LAWL'd
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The RSR Porsche was having trouble shaking the RX7 in the twisty's but pulled away on the straits. Checkout around 4:40
And no it is not tube frame...See this vid in high detail and you will notice the Rx7 chasis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_93r...eature=related
492 wHP with 435 lbs/ft
Proof an Rx7 with an LS3 can do dangerous things...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-6sa...eature=related
"Yes...That is a Flying Lizard 996 GT3 RSR" 0:22
"GT3 RS behind and a GT1 car on my right side" 0:31
"This RSR is unrestricted...little more grunt then me" 3:04
(I LAWL'd
)The RSR Porsche was having trouble shaking the RX7 in the twisty's but pulled away on the straits. Checkout around 4:40
And no it is not tube frame...See this vid in high detail and you will notice the Rx7 chasis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_93r...eature=related
492 wHP with 435 lbs/ft
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08-27-2011, 05:09 AM
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LS7 vs LSx
Would there be any noticeable difference in either weight or size between swapping in an
LS7 vs any other LS engine? I know that they are all based upon a similar platform, but
am not sure of the dimension difference between the LS7 and the others. While it would
obviously be MUCH more expensive to acquire an LS7, there doesn't seem to be any
performance or efficiency reason to stick with an LS1 or LS6.
(My reference being EPA mpg estimates for 2011 Z06)
LS7 vs any other LS engine? I know that they are all based upon a similar platform, but
am not sure of the dimension difference between the LS7 and the others. While it would
obviously be MUCH more expensive to acquire an LS7, there doesn't seem to be any
performance or efficiency reason to stick with an LS1 or LS6.
(My reference being EPA mpg estimates for 2011 Z06)
09-26-2011, 12:37 PM
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Would there be any noticeable difference in either weight or size between swapping in an
LS7 vs any other LS engine? I know that they are all based upon a similar platform, but
am not sure of the dimension difference between the LS7 and the others. While it would
obviously be MUCH more expensive to acquire an LS7, there doesn't seem to be any
performance or efficiency reason to stick with an LS1 or LS6.
(My reference being EPA mpg estimates for 2011 Z06)
LS7 vs any other LS engine? I know that they are all based upon a similar platform, but
am not sure of the dimension difference between the LS7 and the others. While it would
obviously be MUCH more expensive to acquire an LS7, there doesn't seem to be any
performance or efficiency reason to stick with an LS1 or LS6.
(My reference being EPA mpg estimates for 2011 Z06)
Cheepest: LS1, LS2 (can be found in Vettes and GTO's)
Midrange: LS3 (if you find it in a vette get the dry sump)
Expensive: LS7 (Bad ***)
I would aim for the LS3...it is cheap for what you get. 430 HP with a dry sump and can easily be moded to reach and exceed LS7 stock power levels for half or a third of the price. As far as EPA it should be ruffly all the same (dont care much myself). The weight difference should be marginal. The blocks only have minor differences.
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