If torque is one of the greatest things in your life, I am the one who feels sorry for you.

 

Awd DSM........ Tick tick tick boom. Built a TSi myself. Decent platform but laggy and transmissions don't like to work. Not impressed.

 

Well in my car life it is.

 

the trans is built, as is the motor, turbo, and dsm link tuned. its a first gen so not worried about crank walk either but please get your cheap swap done and prove us rotards wrong

 

my screen name is from a worked un goverened busa but bikes are another story

 

Torque is great for pulling trailers & tree stumps with my pickup.
It's about the only time I feel it's worth talking about.

 

yep my old f150 with a straight 6 and 5spd stick has tq and is a bulletproof drivetrain but if you really want tq you need a turbo diesel or an isuzu v6 which has the graphs to prove it

 

One interesting side note. It's possible for an engine or motor to make torque at 0 rpms.

 

fixed

 

NOPE

A steam train engine, for instance has a direct drive from pistons to wheels so when it
needs to get moving it can actually generate some ungodly number like 10000 ft-lbs of
torque at 0 rpms and thus by our formula HP = 1000 ft-lbs * 0 / 5252 = 0 hp. Cute eh?
Electric motors also can do this. That's why diesel train engines drive use electric motors
to turn the wheels, and a big nearly constant rpm engine to power the generator that
powers the motors.

 

It's like sitting on the crapper straining but not moving sh**.

 

 

Fiber swap.

 

dammit sonic we already know from riwwp that logic is not allowed in this thread so stop acting smart

 

 

It's not news to have a moment (torque) on an axis without movement.

 

Good save. For a second there I thought you didn't know that.

 

you made that point very clear

 

Just making sure. You can never be too sure. Afterall this is a forum full of rotary owners.

 

U think after ALL the years of development in the piston motor it could handle the punishment dealt out by a rotor driver. Goes to show/ rotaries can cop a flogging better than a piston.

 

That's pretty subjective. I beat the hell out of my junkyard 5.3 swaps. Spray, boost, 6800 rpm shifts, etc. I'm sure piston motors can take a beating better (more reliable) than a rotor. But that's difficult to prove.

 

Just... Wow.


Old men don't build cars? Do you really believe that? Anyway the Rx8 has been predominately owned by engineers (at least in the past). Profiling people is really the wrong way to go about the argument.


It depends on how you define "easy" but don't you think you would see them everywhere if the swap was really that easy? I mean come on, its a no brainer. Everyone is even telling you its a no brainer so I'm not sure why you don't believe us. We aren't here to convert you, we aren't here to bash LS Swaps, we are here to tell you the truth. THIS CAR IS EXPENSIVE. Period. And forget proving us wrong, why not just do the swap if it is so good? Why waste all this effort in trying to tell us we are wrong if there isn't proof to back that up?


The rotor is enough for me. Obviously you ignored the area under the power curve discussion, but I suppose the dead horse has been thoroughly beat at this point.
I haven't had a single reliability issue yet. Then again I talked to a woman who replaced 3 motors in 24k miles and said the car was the worst thing that she ever bought. Then again, she didn't understand anything about the car. She only changed the oil every 7k and never topped it off. Really, she wasn't qualified to drive the car. When people say its the worst thing ever this is the crowd I place them with.

 

Also: "Two-stroke engines often provide high power-to-weight ratio, usually in a narrow range of rotational speeds called the "power band". Compared to 4-stroke engines, they have a greatly reduced number of moving parts, are more compact and significantly lighter."

It's more of a compliment than an insult in some ways.

 

Let me add some more attributes for ya "...consume enormous amounts of oil, are notoriously unreliable, the power band they have is very narrow and usually very peaky, and require above average maintenance to keep alive."

Race cars? Sure that's a good application but street cars? only for the obsessive or stupid.

 

Can you quantify this statement?

Most RX-8s inject 1 quart of oil over about 1,500 miles.

Toyota states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles is within acceptable burn rates.
GM states that 1 quart every 2,000 miles is within acceptable burn rates.
Honda states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles is within acceptable burn rates.
Ford states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles is within acceptable burn rates.
BMW states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles is actually fairly good.
Porsche states that 1 quart every 1,000 miles within acceptable burn rates.


The RX-8 doesn't seem that unusual to me. Just other companies try to pretend like oil burning doesn't exist.