Joker_andthe_thief

I have 2.5L 1jzgte and a full rebuild kit is $600 so when i rebuild it next summer my motor cost would be around $1600 plus RTV gasket,,, but i did have to get the 2jzge rear sump oil pan $300 shipped to my door so all in on the motor allone would be $1900 brand new essentially,,,,,, but as it stands im at $1300CAD

RIWWP

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... you didn't actually include all new parts in that justification. Add the head, the block, the pistons, the cams, the valves, the valve springs, the rods, the crankshaft. 9k's comment was for all new parts. Every single one. Nothing left out.

"All new parts" in the Renny still doesn't compare to "some new parts" in the 1jzgte. If you are only counting the seals and gaskets, the Renny's seal kit is similar at ~$600.

Price out with every single part in the engine being new and then compare.

Joker_andthe_thief

you Renny guys are like fat chicks, hatting on skinny bi*ches because secretly you wanna be one soo bad but sadly dem chicken nuggets are just to tasty.. :/

RIWWP

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You haven't presented a coherent and logically sustainable argument yet. Present one and I might be able to agree with you.

If I'm "hating" on anything, it's the complete lack of a reasonable argument. When you present an argument that can be proven to be wrong, and then resort to those kinds of responses when it is... well, it just further undermines your case. If you want to convince anyone of anything, it helps to be convincing

Joker_andthe_thief

all parts that are not needed unless there was a catastrophic failure

all you need to rebuild a perfectly running piston motor are crank bearing, rod bearings head studs, piston rings, ground the valve seats with a valve tool, valve stem seals all the gaskets water pump and oil pump..

you can buy cmplete kits online between $500-$800

my ka24de was a complete rebuild incluting pistons for $400 and then i bolted on an sr20 gt28 kit got it tuned and it ran at 9psi all day for 2 ears then stupidly I sold it for $5700

RIWWP

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"Need" doesn't change a single point I was making.

If you want to compare "all new parts" of one engine, then compare "all new parts" of the other engine.

If all you want to do is compare a "only the seals" of one engine, then compare "only the seals" of the other engine.

You can't support your argument of parts prices trying to compare all new parts of one engine to only some new parts of the other. Regardless of WHY.

If a Renny only needs new seals, it's ~$600 in parts.
If a 1jzgte only needs new seals, it's ~$600 in parts.

If a Renny needs every single part replaced, it's ~$4,000
If a 1jzgte needs every single part replaced, it's ~$4,000

See what i'm getting at?

logalinipoo

Look who's wanting to call people fakes. A "vertical" mill, or a "horizontal" lathe. Well those 2 words are so unnecessary its funny. I know there are the opposites but they're so ridiculously old or large that its not even a reference in real world use.

blackenedwings

LSXREX

Well the only way you can buy a rotary is rebuilt bc no one eould buy a used one. On that note, 3900 would snag up a low mile LS3 which will better gas mileage and make WAY more power than even a 20B.

Joker_andthe_thief

lol why do you even post? horizontal was not necessary for the lathe no that's what i call it,,, but i did say vertical mill because there is also a horizontal mill,,, and id like to try not to get people confused which i guess you did :/ i'm pretty sure i got my point across

logalinipoo

Ok, find a reasonably sized horizontal mill thats less than 50 years old.

And there are vertical lathes but they are probably larger than you'd use for car parts

RIWWP

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That also isn't a counterpoint to "all new parts" of one engine vs "some new parts" on the other.

If you want to start talking total project cost, then $3,900 and 6-8 hours of work gets you back on the road with seemless integration. You can not beat that with any swap.

CRO8TIA

Joker,some ppl would argue over the length of a piece of string ! My tech teacher back in the 70's always referred to machines in the terms Joker used.

RIWWP

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I'll argue it if you say that your 1 meter string is actually only 3 inches...

To use that same analogy.

CRO8TIA

Well, it is only approximately 3 inches longer than a yard

RIWWP

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Agreed, I won't argue that, because it's true.

Give me an illogical argument and I'll oppose it regardless of the topic even if I agree with the intent or sentiment.

Give me a logical one, and I'll accept it regardless of the topic, even if I don't agree.

Joker_andthe_thief

counter your counter point,,,,, on a piston engine like my average cost $800 - $2500 with good compression YOU DONT NEED TO BUY EVERYTHING BRAND NEW !!!!!!!!!!!

IF BY SOME MAGICAL CHANCE JACK NICHOLSON POPS UP AND DRIVES AND AXE CLEAN THROUGH MY ENGINE BLOCK GUESS WHAT.......


I BUY A NEW ONE and I sourced an importer 25min away from me who has (2) 1jzgte second gens one $800 the other $1400 with tranny and (1) 1jzgte third gen vvti for $1100 no tranny,,,,,

RIWWP

iTrader: (2)

Understood that you don't have to buy everything new. You don't have to buy everything new on a rotary either.

That doesn't magically make the price of an all-new-engine of one type comparable to the seals-only price of another engine. Which is what you were firing at 9k.

If you are trying to talk about the total price of all parts, a $1,500 Renesis gets you back on the road in 8 hours. Even your cheapest swap dreams can't compete with that parts price.

LSXREX

Funny thing is even if you bought a 100K mile LS3 it will still outlast 2 or 3 13Bs. On a side note, i wonder why everyone is making such a huge deal about putting a different motor in a car. You would think rotary guys are the greatest mechanics in the world. Only a super wrench could own a rotary it seems. Either that or a very stupid person. Arent you guys speaking about "historically" or "in the past?" Well if you did you wouldnt have even bought the RX8 bc there are more bad than good reviews. Numbers dont lie and if you like the rotary then you must belong to one of those groups.

RIWWP

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We aren't. (well, most of us)

We are making a big deal about people assuming that they can swap one in for cheaper than a Renesis replacement cutting dozens of corners and leaving problems unsolved to justify how 'cheap' the swap was, and then calling just a complete cluster 'reliable'.

THAT is what we have a problem with, because that is all people have been doing for YEARS. Some day someone might actually step up and do it cleanly, but it hasn't happened yet, and the hundreds of dreamers ignoring all of the advice does get on our nerves a bit.

Joker_andthe_thief

I bought my Rx-8 knowing it would need a rebuild,,, stupidly I thought 3 seals and a couple of oversized o rings would have only been $300 -$500 but I was wrong once i saw $1800 -$2500 for parts alone,,, If the rebuild kit was only $300 to $500 I would have no problem ripped out the motor (one day) stripped it (one day) taken it apart ground the seals on my bench grinder replaces the oring seals and bolted everything back together all in all would have been back on the road in a week or less,,

but go big or go home am i right

9krpmrx8

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I have no problems with swaps and love many piston engines. I have no special love for the Renesis either, but I bought the car with it and it will stay until I decide otherwise.

Facts huh? Show me your proof. The Rotary with as much R&D as pistons engines have had would surely be in a much better place. There are plenty of shitty piston engine examples. Statically who knows which has a higher percentage rate overall , no studies on that have ever been done that I am aware of.

Again you ***** foot. Are you referring to me? In case you are, yes I have 20k in my 8, no my turbo install did not take 4 years but yes my thread is constantly updated as I make improvements and try new things. My engine rebuild and install/turbo build/etc, etc. did take 6 months or so but that was 3 years ago and I have 20,000+ miles on my engine/turbo setup. As for worth, lets not talk about that here because most swaps will have that in them all said and done at least and be worth just as much or less than a clean stock RX-8. Just look at the Tougeworks LSX RX-8 that has been for sale for a year and has dropped $30,000.00 in price. Now STFU and go work on your wifes broken RX-8.

No, the entire cost including shipping noob. And you seem young, I was playing half life/counterstrike on PC in the late 90's, you don't want any of me on any FPS, old or new.

Post pics of your car, let's compare and see who thinks whose car is the fat chick.




Yes, I should have bought a $3900.00 used LS and just slapped it in huh?

CRO8TIA

1 of the differences between us is, my wife is still with me.How many engines have you needed to replace ?

RIWWP

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It's THAT EASY!!!!!!

BigCajun

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Come on log, he's an engineering student.
He be smart.