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01-10-2015, 08:22 PM
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It's just a location of the forum for swaps. Most people participating here are participating in all other areas of the forum too.
And "cheap" for what most people think, yourself included, is under $20k for the swap.
As I noted earlier, off the shelf parts that already have the R+D to do a 100% complete swap in the much simpler Miata chassis total $17k plus engine plus engine harness. What makes you think that the more complicated RX-8 chassis with zero off-the-shelf R+D parts would be cheaper? Even if you actually could do every bit of the labor yourself.
Looking at Cars.com, unwrecked 2005-2006 Corvettes with the LS2 are rather plentiful in the $16k-17k range.
So yes, buying a Corvette is cheaper than trying to swap the engine into an RX-8.
We keep challenging people to prove us wrong, and so far, none has.
We will attempt to correct your misperceptions, yes. If you show up and say "I've got $30,000 to swap an LS2 in, and I'm starting with all top notch R+D", you won't find anyone arguing that you can't. But instead, everyone shows up with $1,500 and says that they can do it for cheap. So yeah, history proves that they can't do it, and we point that out.
And "cheap" for what most people think, yourself included, is under $20k for the swap.
As I noted earlier, off the shelf parts that already have the R+D to do a 100% complete swap in the much simpler Miata chassis total $17k plus engine plus engine harness. What makes you think that the more complicated RX-8 chassis with zero off-the-shelf R+D parts would be cheaper? Even if you actually could do every bit of the labor yourself.
Looking at Cars.com, unwrecked 2005-2006 Corvettes with the LS2 are rather plentiful in the $16k-17k range.
So yes, buying a Corvette is cheaper than trying to swap the engine into an RX-8.
We keep challenging people to prove us wrong, and so far, none has.
We will attempt to correct your misperceptions, yes. If you show up and say "I've got $30,000 to swap an LS2 in, and I'm starting with all top notch R+D", you won't find anyone arguing that you can't. But instead, everyone shows up with $1,500 and says that they can do it for cheap. So yeah, history proves that they can't do it, and we point that out.
And I'm sure all those corvettes are where? Are they actually low mileage? Corvettes not worth a **** with high miles.
I have seen two rx8 write ups that have listed their swap to around 11k. As for "parts" there is three huge companies that make parts for the v8 swap. Hinson started theirs in 2009. Matter of fact there is a write up on here of a guy who didn't want to pay for hinsons parts and did everything him self. Zero issues.
I'm not on here to say I'm going to do it or I can do it better.
01-10-2015, 08:25 PM
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01-10-2015, 08:29 PM
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Actually, the picture just proves our point, and you are yet another person that just doesn't see it.
And not a single kit is issue free, you still have to R+D virtually everything. Again, just something else you aren't actually seeing.
Every time they say they are different, and every time they prove exactly how similar they really are.
And not a single kit is issue free, you still have to R+D virtually everything. Again, just something else you aren't actually seeing.
Every time they say they are different, and every time they prove exactly how similar they really are.
01-10-2015, 08:31 PM
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How about this?
Since obviously nobody commenting has done this swap. Someone do it then? You say your always proving people wrong, then do it?
I'll take the wager. I don't know why everyone keeps throwing cheap around. I said it can be done cheaper. I'll do it myself take pictures and document every reciept just to show something can be done. I hate when people say Somethimg can't be done.
Then this is where you say "it's just gonna be another botched rx8 swap and end up like the picture" I'll put my money where my mouth is and I'll do it just to prove it can be done. I'll even meet up with any rx8 member in my area to show them the car before and after.
When it's done. Whenever it is.
I want to build stickied If I can do it under 10k and have it reliable.
How's that for a wager? I don't want to sit and argue on facebook. I'll just do it then.
Since obviously nobody commenting has done this swap. Someone do it then? You say your always proving people wrong, then do it?
I'll take the wager. I don't know why everyone keeps throwing cheap around. I said it can be done cheaper. I'll do it myself take pictures and document every reciept just to show something can be done. I hate when people say Somethimg can't be done.
Then this is where you say "it's just gonna be another botched rx8 swap and end up like the picture" I'll put my money where my mouth is and I'll do it just to prove it can be done. I'll even meet up with any rx8 member in my area to show them the car before and after.
When it's done. Whenever it is.
I want to build stickied If I can do it under 10k and have it reliable.
How's that for a wager? I don't want to sit and argue on facebook. I'll just do it then.
01-10-2015, 08:32 PM
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You gonna eat that?
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It's refreshing to see someone who has actually done one, rather than the usual ones that are in the planning stages or just a pipe dream.
01-10-2015, 08:35 PM
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Your right anyone can google a picture. But can they show pictures taken in the same garage of all my cars over time lol.
Thanks for being one of the first people to say something positive.
01-10-2015, 08:40 PM
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You gonna eat that?
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01-10-2015, 08:54 PM
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You gonna eat that?
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I don't see the benefit of accepting a wager that would require a huge amount of time and a significant financial investment.
The whole point of gambling is the concept of 'Easy Money'.
The whole point of gambling is the concept of 'Easy Money'.
01-10-2015, 08:56 PM
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BC, he is also missing the impossibility of one of us being able to do the swap ourselves and conclusively prove that it can't be done cheaply. Regardless of how 'right' we would end, up, he can always fall back on commenting on the corners he could have cut to save money, even if he wouldn't think of them as cutting corners.
I mean, look at his swap...
I mean, look at his swap...
01-10-2015, 10:13 PM
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Man I've got like $25000 in my swap already. Rounding third base on it. Gotta build a y pipe, finish the harness, build a fuel return line from the filter and tune it. Also need to mount the condenser and build AC lines
01-10-2015, 10:13 PM
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I agree, count me as one of the 'We'.
Since I have owned mine, (2 1/2 years) I have gained an even greater appreciation for the qualities and characteristics of the rotary.
The RX8 was designed with the rotary as the heart and soul of the platform.
Replacing it with a piston driven engine diminishes the unique, distinctive machine that it is, and turns it into just another car.
Since I have owned mine, (2 1/2 years) I have gained an even greater appreciation for the qualities and characteristics of the rotary.
The RX8 was designed with the rotary as the heart and soul of the platform.
Replacing it with a piston driven engine diminishes the unique, distinctive machine that it is, and turns it into just another car.
01-10-2015, 10:20 PM
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01-10-2015, 10:36 PM
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it would be real nice for all the new swap guys do it like mdoffroad did.. get half way done with a good quality build then post up...
btw, here is that link
you will not get any smack talk if you prove you know what you are doing..
until then it is just talk, if that.. so far maybe 5% get to the good job doing it right point..
the rest of you are just dreamers that dont know how much is involved.. talking crap.
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btw, here is that link
you will not get any smack talk if you prove you know what you are doing..
until then it is just talk, if that.. so far maybe 5% get to the good job doing it right point..
the rest of you are just dreamers that dont know how much is involved.. talking crap.
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01-11-2015, 04:56 AM
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it would be real nice for all the new swap guys do it like mdoffroad did.. get half way done with a good quality build then post up...
btw, here is that link
you will not get any smack talk if you prove you know what you are doing..
until then it is just talk, if that.. so far maybe 5% get to the good job doing it right point..
the rest of you are just dreamers that dont know how much is involved.. talking crap.
beers
btw, here is that link
you will not get any smack talk if you prove you know what you are doing..
until then it is just talk, if that.. so far maybe 5% get to the good job doing it right point..
the rest of you are just dreamers that dont know how much is involved.. talking crap.
beers
What the hell are you talking about? MDoffroads build was kinda vague and then he didn't provide what he initially offered. He never provided completed pics or vids of the car. I'm 100% sure that his swap didn't retain all the stock features, which if memory serves is a cardinal sin with you guys. And furthermore can you post up something that you swapped to give us a better idea of who it is that can criticize the quality of other builds?
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01-11-2015, 12:28 PM
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How about this? Since obviously nobody commenting has done this swap. Someone do it then? You say your always proving people wrong, then do it? I'll take the wager. I don't know why everyone keeps throwing cheap around. I said it can be done cheaper. I'll do it myself take pictures and document every reciept just to show something can be done. I hate when people say Somethimg can't be done. Then this is where you say "it's just gonna be another botched rx8 swap and end up like the picture" I'll put my money where my mouth is and I'll do it just to prove it can be done. I'll even meet up with any rx8 member in my area to show them the car before and after. When it's done. Whenever it is. I want to build stickied If I can do it under 10k and have it reliable. How's that for a wager? I don't want to sit and argue on facebook. I'll just do it then.
10k is a lot more reasonable than 5700. Even though it might be a bit low. If you do all the fab work yourself it can possiably be done.
01-11-2015, 12:30 PM
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Driving my unreliable rx8
01-11-2015, 01:09 PM
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You gonna eat that?
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01-11-2015, 01:13 PM
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He is here to learn, as long as we tell him what he already knows
He says that LS engines are reliable, as long as they aren't in Corvettes
He says that swaps are complicated and not cheap, as long as you don't cut corners like he does
He says that LS engines are reliable, as long as they aren't in Corvettes
He says that swaps are complicated and not cheap, as long as you don't cut corners like he does
01-11-2015, 01:51 PM
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10k is gonna be VERY tight. Only reason im doing so well in my budget is i do well to get parts free or near free in side deals. Without that id be an easy 15-18k in mine already
01-11-2015, 03:53 PM
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What the hell are you talking about? MDoffroads build was kinda vague and then he didn't provide what he initially offered. He never provided completed pics or vids of the car. I'm 100% sure that his swap didn't retain all the stock features, which if memory serves is a cardinal sin with you guys. And furthermore can you post up something that you swapped to give us a better idea of who it is that can criticize the quality of other builds?
personally, yes i think the car should function like a stock car. as to criticize, dont think i have, i think it is just better to come here with some good stuff done rather than talking crap about what you can do..
from your thread that i looked at are doing it the correct way.. and have been upfront about the costs..
as to what i have done, i dont have the fabrication skills or the knowledge to attempt to try this, and am willing to admit it..
but if there was a kit that was plug and play that put a motor with~ 325 to 350 lbs of tq to the wheels, with reliability (100k +) while keeping the weight and balance of the rx8, and not screwing up the front suspension. i would do it in a heartbeat. and sell my second car..
seems the completion rate of these things is less than 5%, so who is more on target here. the people saying it just takes time or the ones warning of the pitfalls?
i really hope you get yours done, with all the bells and whistles working. i really want to see your weight and balance measurements...
the rx8 is like the brz, great platform, but needing about 100hp and 150 lbs tq to be super. my ideal would be an ecoboost 2.3 stuffed way back in the firewall. i think that would cover weight and balance easy with bonus of mpg.
and btw, i really like the rotary. but am a realist. i think they should have put it in the miata. the power is fitting of the weight of that car.
beers