2005 RX8 won't start
02-16-2014, 05:52 PM
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2005 RX8 won't start
Car was misfiring one day as I was warming it up after the polar vortex. CEL flashed. I warmed it up in the garage as soon as it warmed up I did the normal shutoff procedure. Tried to start it and it hasn't started since. I figured it flooded and I hadn't done the plugs or coils so I did that today. Worked sooooo hard and got that done like 8 hours later. Put the battery charger on... It went green almost right away so I assumed it was charged. It still won't start. I tried taking the fuel fuse out... and doing that flooding procedure. Is there anything else I should try before i send it to the dealership?
02-16-2014, 06:07 PM
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What exactly did you do here? The normal shutoff procedure is turning the key to "off". The fact that you used this explanation tells me that you think you needed to do something else?
How long or how much did you deflood? Deflooding isn't a fixed length procedure. Sometimes it takes a LOT of work.
How long or how much did you deflood? Deflooding isn't a fixed length procedure. Sometimes it takes a LOT of work.
02-16-2014, 06:40 PM
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What exactly did you do here? The normal shutoff procedure is turning the key to "off". The fact that you used this explanation tells me that you think you needed to do something else?
How long or how much did you deflood? Deflooding isn't a fixed length procedure. Sometimes it takes a LOT of work.
How long or how much did you deflood? Deflooding isn't a fixed length procedure. Sometimes it takes a LOT of work.
I rev'd it up and shut it off as I normally do. That's the procedure I've been doing these last 4 years. I'm not gonna lie I don't know what I'm doing. The plug and coil thing took me like 10 hours in an unheated garage. . I'm studying for the bar exam next week so I needed to get it up and running. I didn't do it for long. I took the fuel fuse out. Cranked it a few times. Put it back in Pressed the gas pedal down and tried to crank it like 6 or 7 times.
I don't know... I'm kinda broke so I don't wanna go to the dealer if I don't have to.
02-16-2014, 06:46 PM
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The only reason you would rev before shut down is if you were trying to prevent a flood on a cold engine when you know a flood would occur otherwise. You can shut down a cold engine from idle if everything is healthy and it won't flood. If the engine is up to temp, there is nothing you can do when shutting down a hot engine that will affect the next cold startup.
Your deflood didn't work, and it's clear why. I highly recommend that people do not mix deflood methods for this reason. Pushing the gas pedal to the floor does exactly the same thing as pulling the fuel pump fuse: It cuts all fuel delivery while cranking.
Leave the fuel pump fuse alone. Crank with the gas pedal to the floor only, and crank for 5-10 seconds, letting the starter rest for the same amount of time to cool off. Repeat this 10 times. Then attempt to start. If it doesn't start, repeat another full 10 sets. If it seems like it wants to start, 1 more set should do it. If not try another deflood method, but just one at a time. There are 4-5 methods in DIY threads on the forum.
Your deflood didn't work, and it's clear why. I highly recommend that people do not mix deflood methods for this reason. Pushing the gas pedal to the floor does exactly the same thing as pulling the fuel pump fuse: It cuts all fuel delivery while cranking.
Leave the fuel pump fuse alone. Crank with the gas pedal to the floor only, and crank for 5-10 seconds, letting the starter rest for the same amount of time to cool off. Repeat this 10 times. Then attempt to start. If it doesn't start, repeat another full 10 sets. If it seems like it wants to start, 1 more set should do it. If not try another deflood method, but just one at a time. There are 4-5 methods in DIY threads on the forum.
02-16-2014, 06:56 PM
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The only reason you would rev before shut down is if you were trying to prevent a flood on a cold engine when you know a flood would occur otherwise. You can shut down a cold engine from idle if everything is healthy and it won't flood. If the engine is up to temp, there is nothing you can do when shutting down a hot engine that will affect the next cold startup.
Your deflood didn't work, and it's clear why. I highly recommend that people do not mix deflood methods for this reason. Pushing the gas pedal to the floor does exactly the same thing as pulling the fuel pump fuse: It cuts all fuel delivery while cranking.
Leave the fuel pump fuse alone. Crank with the gas pedal to the floor only, and crank for 5-10 seconds, letting the starter rest for the same amount of time to cool off. Repeat this 10 times. Then attempt to start. If it doesn't start, repeat another full 10 sets. If it seems like it wants to start, 1 more set should do it. If not try another deflood method, but just one at a time. There are 4-5 methods in DIY threads on the forum.
Your deflood didn't work, and it's clear why. I highly recommend that people do not mix deflood methods for this reason. Pushing the gas pedal to the floor does exactly the same thing as pulling the fuel pump fuse: It cuts all fuel delivery while cranking.
Leave the fuel pump fuse alone. Crank with the gas pedal to the floor only, and crank for 5-10 seconds, letting the starter rest for the same amount of time to cool off. Repeat this 10 times. Then attempt to start. If it doesn't start, repeat another full 10 sets. If it seems like it wants to start, 1 more set should do it. If not try another deflood method, but just one at a time. There are 4-5 methods in DIY threads on the forum.
02-18-2014, 07:54 PM
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Since the OP didn't reply back, I will!
After 9 years of no trouble, coincidentally, I experienced my first flood yesterday morning. No idea what was wrong, didn't change my habits regarding starting the car (put key in, don't touch gas pedal, turn key to start). The car would just not fire. Suspecting a weak battery, I called local repair shop and asked for a jump. With extra volts, still would not fire. It was snowing like crazy by then, so my chances for getting it towed anywhere were nil. So I worked from home, arranged for a rental car to be dropped off at the end of the day, and expected to be raped by the dealer for towing and labor. Got the rental and stopped by the auto parts store and picked up a new battery. Put it in, cranked it a few times, no change. Came into the house, and found this topic. I followed RIWWP's instructions and got it to fire once or twice before running down the battery. Came in, slept, went to work using rental car, drudged through the day, came home. I followed RIWWP's instructions once again, but this time put jumper cables on from rental car (duh!) It took awhile, but I FINALLY got my car running! TONS of white smoke poured out the tail pipes. Is that normal? Is it an indicator of another underlying issue?
Anyway, I let it run a few minutes and it started to sputter a bit. Thinking the thick plumes of smoke wasn't helping aspiration too much, I quickly buttoned up the battery cover, fuse box cover, and engine cover and pulled it out of the garage. I drove a couple miles to the bottom of a hill, did a u turn and red-lined it back up the hill. I think all is better with one exception: my DSC light is stayed lit for the duration of the test drive. Any idea what that's about? I do a search here, but figured I'd mention it.
My hat's off to RIWWP for passing along the knowledge to get me going again!
And FWIW, I know exactly what brought this little episode on: Sunday afternoon, the sun came out, so I pulled the car out of the garage to melt the ice that covered a good potion of it. Didn't go more than 25 feet, didn't let it warm up, nothing. A few hours later, I pulled it back in. Didn't go more than 25 feet, didn't let it warm up, nothing. I'm lucky it started when parked on the driveway, otherwise it would have gotten buried in snow, it would have sucked big time working on it, and the neighbor wouldn't have been able to plow my driveway (probably worst of all since I have a bad back.)
Thanks again to RIWWP!
Edit: Found the DSC procedure, went out to perform it, and the light wasn't lit when I turned the key on. Go figure!
After 9 years of no trouble, coincidentally, I experienced my first flood yesterday morning. No idea what was wrong, didn't change my habits regarding starting the car (put key in, don't touch gas pedal, turn key to start). The car would just not fire. Suspecting a weak battery, I called local repair shop and asked for a jump. With extra volts, still would not fire. It was snowing like crazy by then, so my chances for getting it towed anywhere were nil. So I worked from home, arranged for a rental car to be dropped off at the end of the day, and expected to be raped by the dealer for towing and labor. Got the rental and stopped by the auto parts store and picked up a new battery. Put it in, cranked it a few times, no change. Came into the house, and found this topic. I followed RIWWP's instructions and got it to fire once or twice before running down the battery. Came in, slept, went to work using rental car, drudged through the day, came home. I followed RIWWP's instructions once again, but this time put jumper cables on from rental car (duh!) It took awhile, but I FINALLY got my car running! TONS of white smoke poured out the tail pipes. Is that normal? Is it an indicator of another underlying issue?
Anyway, I let it run a few minutes and it started to sputter a bit. Thinking the thick plumes of smoke wasn't helping aspiration too much, I quickly buttoned up the battery cover, fuse box cover, and engine cover and pulled it out of the garage. I drove a couple miles to the bottom of a hill, did a u turn and red-lined it back up the hill. I think all is better with one exception: my DSC light is stayed lit for the duration of the test drive. Any idea what that's about? I do a search here, but figured I'd mention it.
My hat's off to RIWWP for passing along the knowledge to get me going again!
And FWIW, I know exactly what brought this little episode on: Sunday afternoon, the sun came out, so I pulled the car out of the garage to melt the ice that covered a good potion of it. Didn't go more than 25 feet, didn't let it warm up, nothing. A few hours later, I pulled it back in. Didn't go more than 25 feet, didn't let it warm up, nothing. I'm lucky it started when parked on the driveway, otherwise it would have gotten buried in snow, it would have sucked big time working on it, and the neighbor wouldn't have been able to plow my driveway (probably worst of all since I have a bad back.)
Thanks again to RIWWP!
Edit: Found the DSC procedure, went out to perform it, and the light wasn't lit when I turned the key on. Go figure!
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03-12-2014, 01:32 PM
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So I finally got a new battery and tried this and ehhhhhh. No go. I don't know what I'm doing wrong but I see alil exhaust coming from the muffler when I hold don't the pedal. After doing it sounds like it wants to start but it just doesn't get there.
03-13-2014, 09:11 AM
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The only reason you would rev before shut down is if you were trying to prevent a flood on a cold engine when you know a flood would occur otherwise. You can shut down a cold engine from idle if everything is healthy and it won't flood. If the engine is up to temp, there is nothing you can do when shutting down a hot engine that will affect the next cold startup.
Your deflood didn't work, and it's clear why. I highly recommend that people do not mix deflood methods for this reason. Pushing the gas pedal to the floor does exactly the same thing as pulling the fuel pump fuse: It cuts all fuel delivery while cranking.
Leave the fuel pump fuse alone. Crank with the gas pedal to the floor only, and crank for 5-10 seconds, letting the starter rest for the same amount of time to cool off. Repeat this 10 times. Then attempt to start. If it doesn't start, repeat another full 10 sets. If it seems like it wants to start, 1 more set should do it. If not try another deflood method, but just one at a time. There are 4-5 methods in DIY threads on the forum.
Your deflood didn't work, and it's clear why. I highly recommend that people do not mix deflood methods for this reason. Pushing the gas pedal to the floor does exactly the same thing as pulling the fuel pump fuse: It cuts all fuel delivery while cranking.
Leave the fuel pump fuse alone. Crank with the gas pedal to the floor only, and crank for 5-10 seconds, letting the starter rest for the same amount of time to cool off. Repeat this 10 times. Then attempt to start. If it doesn't start, repeat another full 10 sets. If it seems like it wants to start, 1 more set should do it. If not try another deflood method, but just one at a time. There are 4-5 methods in DIY threads on the forum.
03-13-2014, 05:16 PM
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That is not a bad idea. Pulling plugs cleaning them with brake cleaner or lighting them on fire to burn off all the gas is another one. Pouring a cap full of ATF in the plug holes another old rotary trick.
Really the easiest one is bump/hill start it. Turn the key to the on position get it up to ten or fifteen and pop the clutch.
03-13-2014, 07:02 PM
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I've done that in a really bad flood. Take out the bottom plug of each rotor and cover the hole with a clean rag. Then crank a few seconds with the pedal to the floor. It blew out most of the fuel and I got it started within the next minute or so after putting plugs back in.
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That is not a bad idea. Pulling plugs cleaning them with brake cleaner or lighting them on fire to burn off all the gas is another one. Pouring a cap full of ATF in the plug holes another old rotary trick.
Really the easiest one is bump/hill start it. Turn the key to the on position get it up to ten or fifteen and pop the clutch.
Really the easiest one is bump/hill start it. Turn the key to the on position get it up to ten or fifteen and pop the clutch.
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I've done that in a really bad flood. Take out the bottom plug of each rotor and cover the hole with a clean rag. Then crank a few seconds with the pedal to the floor. It blew out most of the fuel and I got it started within the next minute or so after putting plugs back in.
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