RECALL: Engine Lack of Power (MSP16)
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I just bought my RX-8 with 31,000 miles last week. I knew when I got it that there were 3 open recalls, but this one showed up when I went in. The previous owner was in the miltary and had taken it to Germany, never got his notices, didn't use dealer service. Anyway, I thought the car felt really good, but I really think it feels much better now. It seems to have more low end pull. The butt dyno agrees. They also replaced the leading spark plugs? But not the trailing. My husband promised to do this for me (he's only had 12 RX-7's, so I think he can put 2 plugs in a rotary.) They tried to charge me $230 for those 2 plugs to be put in.
Part of the lesson, don't wait for the card, just go, they've got it on computer. Also, recalls are going to apply regardless of warranty/ owner, for the most part. Once an item gets to recall, it is an issue that is a matter of safety or keeping legal happy.
Now I shall return to trying to find a thread as to why the remotes won't reprogram and why my TPMS light keeps flashing.
Nice to be here.
Part of the lesson, don't wait for the card, just go, they've got it on computer. Also, recalls are going to apply regardless of warranty/ owner, for the most part. Once an item gets to recall, it is an issue that is a matter of safety or keeping legal happy.
Now I shall return to trying to find a thread as to why the remotes won't reprogram and why my TPMS light keeps flashing.
Nice to be here.
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Thats weird. After I did the recall my key fob stopped working. I took it back in and they said it was a fluke and that the reflash had nothing to do with it. They said I had a faulty keyfob and happily offered to replace it for 200 dollars. HA!! I can manually unlock my doors for awhile thanks.
Did you issues with reprogramming yours happen before or after your recall?
Jerm
Did you issues with reprogramming yours happen before or after your recall?
Jerm
#154
If you can't get your key fob reprogrammed (check the DIY section), before you buy from the dealer. I went to transponderisland on Ebay. You can buy the keyfob there and they have the programming steps included (much cheaper price than the dealer), but you must have at least one working fob to program a new one yourself. Otherwise, the dealer will probably charge you in the $80-100 range for reprogramming your existing keyfobs. I would also check the battery in the fob.
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I put new batteries in both of them, double checked to make sure they were installed correctly, tried multiple times to program them ourselves. I went to the dealer ready to pay $45 to program them, they told me both remotes were bad, but didn't really try to sell me a new one.
Here is my question, I don't have a single working remote, if I buy new ones or ones off of ebay, can I program them without an original?
Here is my question, I don't have a single working remote, if I buy new ones or ones off of ebay, can I program them without an original?
#156
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I was at Great Neck Mazda today. When I walked up to the counter and said my hellos to Mike, he asked straight away, "So you here for the Recall?". No problem getting the MSP-16 flash. I waited 45 mins to get everything done. I drove away and did notice the slightly different tone of exhaust - slightly lower. Anyway, you all have said positive things about this flash so I'm gonna give it a good test tonight.
#159
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Intake manifold vacuum
MT: –66.7— –56.0 kPa {–500.2— –420.1 mmHg, –19.7— –16.5 inHg}
4-speed AT [RC4A-EL]: –67.3— –53.4 kPa {–504.7— –400.6 mmHg, –19.9— –15.7 inHg}
6-speed AT [SJ6A-EL]: –66.9— –53.1 kPa {–501.8— –398.3 mmHg, –19.7— –15.6 inHg}
If not within the specification then you need to compression test and/or look for leaks in the intake system.
As far as the engine replacement line, if engine vac. is low, we compression test if compression is below 7.0x100kpa on more then one face on one rotor it's considered blown. If compression tests good we do the Baro Voltage test which sometimes will prove a good compression motor (on the compression tester) to actually still be blown.
Kevin.
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ok i took the 8 friday for the msp16 recall
i'd call for an appoinment i was there 1/2 hour before ,drove the car in 25 minute after one of the mecanics took it around the parking lot and parked way back there 25 minute after that i went an i ask for my car back the guy say they working on it !!
jajajajajjajajajaj
where is back there man
he when inside ,the mecanic took it for another ride but this time on 23
he came back an i took the car with me
now yestarday an today i got an engine light on when im in the highway?????
damn damn help???
i'd call for an appoinment i was there 1/2 hour before ,drove the car in 25 minute after one of the mecanics took it around the parking lot and parked way back there 25 minute after that i went an i ask for my car back the guy say they working on it !!
jajajajajjajajajaj
where is back there man
he when inside ,the mecanic took it for another ride but this time on 23
he came back an i took the car with me
now yestarday an today i got an engine light on when im in the highway?????
damn damn help???
#162
hakuna matata!
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ok i took the 8 friday for the msp16 recall
i'd call for an appoinment i was there 1/2 hour before ,drove the car in 25 minute after one of the mecanics took it around the parking lot and parked way back there 25 minute after that i went an i ask for my car back the guy say they working on it !!
jajajajajjajajajaj
where is back there man
he when inside ,the mecanic took it for another ride but this time on 23
he came back an i took the car with me
now yestarday an today i got an engine light on when im in the highway?????
damn damn help???
i'd call for an appoinment i was there 1/2 hour before ,drove the car in 25 minute after one of the mecanics took it around the parking lot and parked way back there 25 minute after that i went an i ask for my car back the guy say they working on it !!
jajajajajjajajajaj
where is back there man
he when inside ,the mecanic took it for another ride but this time on 23
he came back an i took the car with me
now yestarday an today i got an engine light on when im in the highway?????
damn damn help???
#163
I just got the msp16 recall done today. Brought my car in for it's first oil change and after they got the data off it, they said they needed to do the recall. Service adviser said that a higher top end has been reported afterwards.
I was out of there in less than an hour (including oil change) and this was on a Saturday.
I was out of there in less than an hour (including oil change) and this was on a Saturday.
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Nyc drift king Lemme know how it goes. Im thinkin of takin my car too. Kinda far for me but everyone seems to be really happy with the service provided by kevin at wayne mazda. So it'll be worth it.
#169
I still haven't gotten a recall notice...
...is that normal? Are these notices going out slowly or in some pattern that puts me last? My 8 is a 2005 that I bought in Feb '06, and it only has about 11K miles on it.
I did just get a DVD and letter in the mail telling me that Mazda is extending the warranty on the "rotary core" up to 8 years and 100K miles. So they know that I own my 8 and know where I live.
-- Michael
I did just get a DVD and letter in the mail telling me that Mazda is extending the warranty on the "rotary core" up to 8 years and 100K miles. So they know that I own my 8 and know where I live.
-- Michael
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dude you dont need a letter for the msp16 recall just make an appointment and go thats it.
And as far as asking for kevin over at wayne you can. But if he is busy doing other more technical stuff they wont make him do that.
everyone who hasnt gotten the recall you should probably go and do it soon...
And as far as asking for kevin over at wayne you can. But if he is busy doing other more technical stuff they wont make him do that.
everyone who hasnt gotten the recall you should probably go and do it soon...
#171
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yea guys klepto is right. on all his points. The MSP16 recall is easy to check for, they plug in, check for updated module programs, and blam it says automatically if its up to date or not. In all honesty the programming itself only takes 5 minutes, its getting in a bay with an IDS that takes a while.
He's also right about asking for me. Most of the time I will be able to get to it quickly and easily, but I do get backed up quick sometimes. Most serious rx8 diagnostics go to me and I also work on the rest of the mazda lineup. So if i get 2 serious rx8 diags and a mazda6 motor and a mazda3 trans I can be backed up for at least 2 days...and believe me that EXACT scenario happens almost twice a month lol.
Unfortunately due to a recent big change in our writers (almost a whole new team) they're still learning how to handle my rx8 customer's, as NYC Drift King was unfortunate enough to find out. He brought his car in and, unbeknownst to me, the car wound up sitting 2 or 3 days before I was able to get in and get dirty on it. That rarely happens but it was a compound of a couple coincidences that led to it.
But NYC Drift King: My sincere apologies for how long it took to get your car finished, I assure you it will not happen again if you bring your car by, believe me once I found out that your car was there waiting for me and yet no one told me about it I staged quite a scene and I feel everyone now knows how to handle my special customers.
Hopefully the work and the results were up to your liking, any questions or complaints you can PM me with.
kevin.
He's also right about asking for me. Most of the time I will be able to get to it quickly and easily, but I do get backed up quick sometimes. Most serious rx8 diagnostics go to me and I also work on the rest of the mazda lineup. So if i get 2 serious rx8 diags and a mazda6 motor and a mazda3 trans I can be backed up for at least 2 days...and believe me that EXACT scenario happens almost twice a month lol.
Unfortunately due to a recent big change in our writers (almost a whole new team) they're still learning how to handle my rx8 customer's, as NYC Drift King was unfortunate enough to find out. He brought his car in and, unbeknownst to me, the car wound up sitting 2 or 3 days before I was able to get in and get dirty on it. That rarely happens but it was a compound of a couple coincidences that led to it.
But NYC Drift King: My sincere apologies for how long it took to get your car finished, I assure you it will not happen again if you bring your car by, believe me once I found out that your car was there waiting for me and yet no one told me about it I staged quite a scene and I feel everyone now knows how to handle my special customers.
Hopefully the work and the results were up to your liking, any questions or complaints you can PM me with.
kevin.
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yea guys klepto is right. on all his points. The MSP16 recall is easy to check for, they plug in, check for updated module programs, and blam it says automatically if its up to date or not. In all honesty the programming itself only takes 5 minutes, its getting in a bay with an IDS that takes a while.
He's also right about asking for me. Most of the time I will be able to get to it quickly and easily, but I do get backed up quick sometimes. Most serious rx8 diagnostics go to me and I also work on the rest of the mazda lineup. So if i get 2 serious rx8 diags and a mazda6 motor and a mazda3 trans I can be backed up for at least 2 days...and believe me that EXACT scenario happens almost twice a month lol.
Unfortunately due to a recent big change in our writers (almost a whole new team) they're still learning how to handle my rx8 customer's, as NYC Drift King was unfortunate enough to find out. He brought his car in and, unbeknownst to me, the car wound up sitting 2 or 3 days before I was able to get in and get dirty on it. That rarely happens but it was a compound of a couple coincidences that led to it.
But NYC Drift King: My sincere apologies for how long it took to get your car finished, I assure you it will not happen again if you bring your car by, believe me once I found out that your car was there waiting for me and yet no one told me about it I staged quite a scene and I feel everyone now knows how to handle my special customers.
Hopefully the work and the results were up to your liking, any questions or complaints you can PM me with.
kevin.
He's also right about asking for me. Most of the time I will be able to get to it quickly and easily, but I do get backed up quick sometimes. Most serious rx8 diagnostics go to me and I also work on the rest of the mazda lineup. So if i get 2 serious rx8 diags and a mazda6 motor and a mazda3 trans I can be backed up for at least 2 days...and believe me that EXACT scenario happens almost twice a month lol.
Unfortunately due to a recent big change in our writers (almost a whole new team) they're still learning how to handle my rx8 customer's, as NYC Drift King was unfortunate enough to find out. He brought his car in and, unbeknownst to me, the car wound up sitting 2 or 3 days before I was able to get in and get dirty on it. That rarely happens but it was a compound of a couple coincidences that led to it.
But NYC Drift King: My sincere apologies for how long it took to get your car finished, I assure you it will not happen again if you bring your car by, believe me once I found out that your car was there waiting for me and yet no one told me about it I staged quite a scene and I feel everyone now knows how to handle my special customers.
Hopefully the work and the results were up to your liking, any questions or complaints you can PM me with.
kevin.
Kevin it was totally ok. I understands work gets buizy. I want to thank you for doing a amazing job on my car. You fixed things that i didn't even go in for, so thanks again.
I was confused a littel on what is the engine de-carb that is mentioned on this thread-that gets done for free. And whats the de-carb that i recieved that came out to like $121. The guy at the front desk told me, but i didnt understand.
---oh and for the peeps who pm'ed for info on when i got my car back here it go's----> At first I didnt know the difference, but now after driving the car for a week I notice a remarkable difference in 1st 2nd 3rd gear pulls to red-line. You will feel a difference in your cars reaction if you get the msp16 done. DO IT....
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hey omar, havent seen you in a while.
i believe that de-carb is that seafoam thing (engine cleaner) mazda just came out with-https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...2&d=1207773309
but yeah i just got the msp16 done about 2 weeks ago and I also thought there was a difference in acceleration even without the engine cleaner being done.
i believe that de-carb is that seafoam thing (engine cleaner) mazda just came out with-https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...2&d=1207773309
but yeah i just got the msp16 done about 2 weeks ago and I also thought there was a difference in acceleration even without the engine cleaner being done.
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I just had the MSP16 recall done and I am still having the lack of power issues that I have had for a while that the dealership doesn't seem very interested in trying to fix. I talked to the service manager yesterday and asked him why the TSB for loss of power wasn't considered (01-014/08). He told me that the MSP16 program superceded that TSB, which doesn't make sense to me. After I told him that putting around town wasn't going to demonstrate the problem, it needs to be at highway speeds, he told me that Mazda doesn't pay for extended driving time to check for problems and if it was going to take longer than 30 minutes they would have to bill me.
Does anyone know if this information corrrect? I called Mazda about the TSB superceded and they were clueless.
Does anyone know if this information corrrect? I called Mazda about the TSB superceded and they were clueless.