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05-28-2010, 09:55 AM
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Greddy isnt terrible you can look for 240-260 reliably and boosting at 6-7 psi above that will need work. You will also need to do the fixes for the kit as well as get all of the supporting mods to do it right. You could even do the BNR upgraded turbo Gregs on the board has it and puts down around 290 on a dyno. Its not a terrible kit the reason so many fail is the turbo isnt meant to be a 300hp driver and people always want more. There were some nice used kits floating around the boards not to long ago. I would do some HW before you jump in the FI boat
PS the MM turbo can put down 400 when done right.
AL give me a super special price on the shifter lol I miss it. did you solve your transmission issue?
PS the MM turbo can put down 400 when done right.
AL give me a super special price on the shifter lol I miss it. did you solve your transmission issue?
HAHA .... I am still in the process of doing hw, and I have been doing hw since winter ... I am kinda considering going custom ... either way, I have no money so, I can't do anything else other than do hw
BY THE WAY ..... what do you guys usually see your coolant temps at? I got really freaked out when I hit 205 F after sitting 10 mins in traffic on weds, I think I may need a coolant flush ... I am on stock engine management
05-28-2010, 10:33 AM
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Greddy isnt terrible you can look for 240-260 reliably and boosting at 6-7 psi above that will need work. You will also need to do the fixes for the kit as well as get all of the supporting mods to do it right. You could even do the BNR upgraded turbo Gregs on the board has it and puts down around 290 on a dyno. Its not a terrible kit the reason so many fail is the turbo isnt meant to be a 300hp driver and people always want more. There were some nice used kits floating around the boards not to long ago. I would do some HW before you jump in the FI boat
PS the MM turbo can put down 400 when done right.
AL give me a super special price on the shifter lol I miss it. did you solve your transmission issue?
PS the MM turbo can put down 400 when done right.
AL give me a super special price on the shifter lol I miss it. did you solve your transmission issue?
05-28-2010, 10:38 AM
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205 isnt crazy considering it was like 90 degrees out. You could do a coolant flush why not if you dont know when it was done last and get the upgraded thermostat from mazmart it opens sooner.
I have the MM 3071r kit.
I have the MM 3071r kit.
05-28-2010, 10:48 AM
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i did my homework... i was literally one step away from being turbo'd, so i know what i'm talking about when i say the greddy kit is ****. if you're going to get the 300 whp, and upgrade it with MM, you might as well just go with a SFR or PTP kit. It'll end up costing you about the same, maybe just a little bit more, and the manifold won't crack... Plus the SFR kit looks flawless in the 8's engine bay. Why would you get the greddy kit and go through all the upgrading when you can just skip that step and get a sick turbo kit for just a bit more? do it once, do it right.
http://speedforceracing.com/index.php?productID=904
http://speedforceracing.com/index.php?productID=904
05-28-2010, 11:14 AM
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^ Thats a great kit if you want to spend 6-7k (with or without ems) on just a turbo kit alone its top mount and it does look baller there is no denying that its a badass kit but there will be alot more to add to your bill not just a turbo kit so take that into consideration unless you have endless pockets. I think there is nothing wrong with the greddy kit (do the 3 fixes) if you take the right precautions and arent chasing HP like most people on the boards are. Making it reliable part really comes from all the supporting mods and tuning you have after the fact. You dont have to buy a brand new kit either so you could acomplish a good turbo kit for alot less then the advertised greddy kit. Also in the works is a better manifold by MM for people who dont mind a low mounted turbo and i believe turblown will make you one as well if you pieced your kit together or even purchased a full kit sell the greddy kit and use the cash as bankroll towards the building of a better manifold. There are several ways to get where you want to go an be semi reliable because u will never be 100% in an FI 8 lol te question is how deep will your pockets let you venture and will you be able to do it right with the money you have.
I wasnt aiming the HW question at you in case you took it as a jab more to the person who asked the question because ultimately they have to decide and they should know what they are getting into and generally "which turbo kit should i go with"
is a sign that you might want to do some more reading to make yourself a bit more aware as well as ask questions like he did.
Oh and wow to the tags on this thread lol so much hole talk.
I wasnt aiming the HW question at you in case you took it as a jab more to the person who asked the question because ultimately they have to decide and they should know what they are getting into and generally "which turbo kit should i go with"
is a sign that you might want to do some more reading to make yourself a bit more aware as well as ask questions like he did.
Oh and wow to the tags on this thread lol so much hole talk.
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05-28-2010, 11:18 AM
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that system looks pretty good ghost..hop im going to do some research on going FI on a 8. thanks stinksause for making that little section for us noobs on turbos!!!
05-28-2010, 11:32 AM
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don't want to start a beef with you rx8ya.. so we'll just leave it there.
personally, i would never go with the greddy. you can get a intx or a cobb for the SFR for like 500 bucks.. And if you talk to turbotim, he'll give you a good price. better than the advertised price. but hey, i don't have to deal with this anymore..
on a different note, i'm gonna be picking up my 400awhp subie in about an hour or so
personally, i would never go with the greddy. you can get a intx or a cobb for the SFR for like 500 bucks.. And if you talk to turbotim, he'll give you a good price. better than the advertised price. but hey, i don't have to deal with this anymore..
on a different note, i'm gonna be picking up my 400awhp subie in about an hour or so
05-28-2010, 11:46 AM
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i did my homework... i was literally one step away from being turbo'd, so i know what i'm talking about when i say the greddy kit is ****. if you're going to get the 300 whp, and upgrade it with MM, you might as well just go with a SFR or PTP kit. It'll end up costing you about the same, maybe just a little bit more, and the manifold won't crack... Plus the SFR kit looks flawless in the 8's engine bay. Why would you get the greddy kit and go through all the upgrading when you can just skip that step and get a sick turbo kit for just a bit more? do it once, do it right.
http://speedforceracing.com/index.php?productID=904
http://speedforceracing.com/index.php?productID=904
I wasn't saying you did not do your homework man .... no offense intended ...
I am saying if your goal is boost, and not a given hosepower mark, then the greddy kit is good for the money, as long as you dont get too greedy and stay at that 6-7 psi
there are other options out there that is true .... and as with most things, the higher the price the better the quality, I just think that he needs to understand what specifically is wrong with the greddy kit rather than just, "Oh, it's shitty"
My goal was to give silver some info to get going....
But ghost, what other low-mount kits are there?
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05-28-2010, 11:48 AM
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If you know me like others do im not here for Beef its not that serious its a car forum and we all like and enjoy cars here thats why when the person posed the question i let them know there are several options thats all. SFR is a great kit i agree with you and its fine thats what you would choose and granted if i had serious cash i would have chosen it as well once they sorted through a few things, i was just posting options thats what he asked about. There is nothing to really deal with unless you have a problem which i dont think we do. Props on your subbie also where did you get the work done and what? I saw an 02 wrx around my way for sale i might pick it up as an everyday car.
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05-28-2010, 11:56 AM
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RX8ya, is that thermostat plug and play? Did you do the water pump upgrade?I think I am going to do that + coolant flush soon
Can cavitation cause air bubbles in your coolant system? Maybe I just need to vent it?
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05-28-2010, 12:06 PM
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^ Plug and play is all relative you have to drain your coolant system to install....Im a lazy bastard sometimes and havent done mine yet for that reason. So you will have fresh coolant and a thermostat that opens probably 20 degrees sooner then the older one you will probably be around 190 in traffic is that significant......yes and no lol but definitely helpful in preservation the pump and therm combo is the way to go for better cooling i can see the difference in Steves car when he boosts hes at like 180 steady....me not so much.
05-28-2010, 12:56 PM
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are we talking about mazmart's thermostat? I believe that only opens 5 or so degrees earlier then the OE. anything more and you're asking for trouble.
the best thing you can do about keeping your temps under control is changing their fan on temp, either through the AP, a hard wired switch, or the Mazsport replacement relays.
I flashed my stock ECU to go to the dealer and I drove on it a few days the temps were pretty freaking crazy, I was seeing 215f in regular traffic (on a 75f day) before the OE fans had any effect- see heat soak. So the key is to get the fans on as early as possible. With my AP tune I have BOTH of my fans going on at 190f, and the hysteresis is 30 centigrade, so they won't go off until the car is 30 degrees cooler. I have not seen the temps break 195f and even in traffic, day before yesterday (90f outside), and with the AC on.
Get a real water temp gauge and see how hot your car is really getting.
Heat soak is bad.
the best thing you can do about keeping your temps under control is changing their fan on temp, either through the AP, a hard wired switch, or the Mazsport replacement relays.
I flashed my stock ECU to go to the dealer and I drove on it a few days the temps were pretty freaking crazy, I was seeing 215f in regular traffic (on a 75f day) before the OE fans had any effect- see heat soak. So the key is to get the fans on as early as possible. With my AP tune I have BOTH of my fans going on at 190f, and the hysteresis is 30 centigrade, so they won't go off until the car is 30 degrees cooler. I have not seen the temps break 195f and even in traffic, day before yesterday (90f outside), and with the AC on.
Get a real water temp gauge and see how hot your car is really getting.
Heat soak is bad.
05-28-2010, 01:12 PM
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^+1 on the fan temp turn on for sure i need to set that through Access tuner i forgot to do this. My cruising temp with no cooling mods besides the mazmart radiator is 180 when i start to boost i get 200-210...im sure those fans would help i have alot less stuff in my engine bay. Do you fans run long after you turn off the car on a hot day and you have those settings? OE thermostat opens at what like 180-185?
05-28-2010, 01:46 PM
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yea, my fans are on when I turn off my car sometime ... I am not sure what temp that is though ... prolly 205 - 210 ... my cruise is 186
I wanna track this car in the summer .... looks like I will NEED to improve my cooling before I do that .... I am almost thinking this http://blackhaloracing.com/products-...bhr-radiator6/
I wanna track this car in the summer .... looks like I will NEED to improve my cooling before I do that .... I am almost thinking this http://blackhaloracing.com/products-...bhr-radiator6/
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05-29-2010, 08:57 AM
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damn so much information lol, thanks alot though.. But the greddy kit now comes with the e-manage ultimate now, not the blue e-manage, i was told they did all the corrections when i spoke to an authorized dealer. But if the car doesnt sell i was just looking for a nice little set up nothing crazy thats why i was looking into the greddy kit.
05-29-2010, 10:37 AM
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first off i dont read everything cuz im lazy. so im just gonna jump in like i know what im talking about........
well thats your opinion. have you driven a greddy turbo'd 8? people can **** talk the greddy all they want but for how much it cost, its a rather nice bang for you buck. I had mine back in 04 before all these big boy kits came out but even back then it was enough to give the car some pep in its step. its enough for the drive, but no, it will not take down other cars like youd expect. but it goes along the #1 rule with the rx-8 you gotta love it for what it is. im sorry but it will never be a fast car.(99.9% of the time)
not necessarily... if the 8 is like the 7, you dont HAVE to drain it... the water pump sits at a relatively high point in the system. when i did mine i just took the WP off and allowed whatever fluids to drain out. then install, and top it off... (but you still gotta burp the system)
i did my homework... i was literally one step away from being turbo'd, so i know what i'm talking about when i say the greddy kit is ****. if you're going to get the 300 whp, and upgrade it with MM, you might as well just go with a SFR or PTP kit. It'll end up costing you about the same, maybe just a little bit more, and the manifold won't crack... Plus the SFR kit looks flawless in the 8's engine bay. Why would you get the greddy kit and go through all the upgrading when you can just skip that step and get a sick turbo kit for just a bit more? do it once, do it right.
http://speedforceracing.com/index.php?productID=904
http://speedforceracing.com/index.php?productID=904
^ Thats a great kit if you want to spend 6-7k (with or without ems) on just a turbo kit alone its top mount and it does look baller there is no denying that its a badass kit but there will be alot more to add to your bill not just a turbo kit so take that into consideration unless you have endless pockets. I think there is nothing wrong with the greddy kit (do the 3 fixes) if you take the right precautions and arent chasing HP like most people on the boards are. Making it reliable part really comes from all the supporting mods and tuning you have after the fact. You dont have to buy a brand new kit either so you could acomplish a good turbo kit for alot less then the advertised greddy kit. Also in the works is a better manifold by MM for people who dont mind a low mounted turbo and i believe turblown will make you one as well if you pieced your kit together or even purchased a full kit sell the greddy kit and use the cash as bankroll towards the building of a better manifold. There are several ways to get where you want to go an be semi reliable because u will never be 100% in an FI 8 lol te question is how deep will your pockets let you venture and will you be able to do it right with the money you have.
^ Plug and play is all relative you have to drain your coolant system to install....Im a lazy bastard sometimes and havent done mine yet for that reason. So you will have fresh coolant and a thermostat that opens probably 20 degrees sooner then the older one you will probably be around 190 in traffic is that significant......yes and no lol but definitely helpful in preservation the pump and therm combo is the way to go for better cooling i can see the difference in Steves car when he boosts hes at like 180 steady....me not so much.
05-29-2010, 10:40 AM
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damn so much information lol, thanks alot though.. But the greddy kit now comes with the e-manage ultimate now, not the blue e-manage, i was told they did all the corrections when i spoke to an authorized dealer. But if the car doesnt sell i was just looking for a nice little set up nothing crazy thats why i was looking into the greddy kit.
05-29-2010, 02:43 PM
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how is the manifold cracking my opinion? and no i haven't been in a greddy powered 8, but that's not the point. i mentioned before that the greddy kit is a good temporary fix for the desperate lack of power in the 8.. but you're right benny, if you want some serious power.. get another car
05-30-2010, 09:52 AM
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^Lol so true the 8 will never be a wrx, sti, evo, supra, done up z (but you knew that when you got one probably and chose the 8 for a reason) but it can be a pleasant drive with more then expected power and will put a smile on your face as well as shock others. Manifolds cracking is a fact not everyones does it but there always solutions. E-manage is kinda poopy silver I would go with cobb the only issue is having it tuned you have little choices.
Ben thanks for advice with the coolant system full drain is annoying.
Ben thanks for advice with the coolant system full drain is annoying.