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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 05:15 PM
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Also, was the H&R online filing free?
Not sure about H&R, but TurboTax is free if you just have a simple tax return.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 05:16 PM
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I wish I would have just removed and reinstalled the pedal, but I didn't.
All I did was loosen the nuts, tightened the upper-left nut first, then tightened others.
Yeah and I did mine twice. The first time tightening the upper left against the firewall first and the second install tightening the one on the top closest to the driver seat first. Both resulted in Failboat.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 05:22 PM
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Ryan- I was just thinking about this...
With our coils, you mentioned that you were receiving 14.5V at the battery while cranking.
How did you obtain this reading?
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon316G
Ryan- I was just thinking about this...
With our coils, you mentioned that you were receiving 14.5V at the battery while cranking.
How did you obtain this reading?
Actually it was 14.5 volts before cranking not during. I use the AP to check my battery before I start it and it was down to 9.5 because we had the trunk light open and on for a good chunk of Sunday. In Sebring it usually dropped 1 or 2 volts by the time it starts up but I honestly wasn't looking at it last night.

I'm sure I could record the voltage on crank though since the AP logs it along with the ignition timing and seperation.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 05:35 PM
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I'm sure I could record the voltage on crank though since the AP logs it along with the ignition timing and seperation.
It may be a far reach, but I'm willing to consider the possibility that the coils are drawing too much current for the starter to handle (even though I said the coils can't impact the starter ).
Would be nice to just rule out one more thing, even if it is highly unlikely.
Only issue with that statement is when we receive an upgraded starter, the problem should carry over to the new starter too if the coils are really drawing too much current.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon316G
It may be a far reach, but I'm willing to consider the possibility that the coils are drawing too much current for the starter to handle (even though I said the coils can't impact the starter ).
Would be nice to just rule out one more thing, even if it is highly unlikely.
Only issue with that statement is when we receive an upgraded starter, the problem should carry over to the new starter too if the coils are really drawing too much current.
Unless the upgraded starter needs less current to reach the threshhold for starting. That would make it more tolerant of bad batteries or batteries with low cold crank amps but that would also make it more tolerant of coils that pull more current reducing the amount getting to the starter.

If the room you're in just started to smell like a fart it's because I'm totally talking out my ***.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RK
Unless the upgraded starter needs less current to reach the threshhold for starting.
I won't even touch that quote

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That would make it more tolerant of bad batteries or batteries with low cold crank amps but that would also make it more tolerant of coils that pull more current reducing the amount getting to the starter.
How would you explain my Optima battery that generates 720 CCA (910 CA above 32F)
Like I said, lets see what the battery drops to while cranking.
Only issue here is the alternator is going to show voltage going to the battery once it starts.
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If the room you're in just started to smell like a fart it's because I'm totally talking out my ***.
I thought that was from the Taco Bell I just ate
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon316G
I won't even touch that quote
That bad, huh?

Well coil/starter testing is moving until Thursday since I want to be able to do the coolant tomorrow night.

I removed the battery and the top of the PCM case (only broke 1 tab! Yay!). I can see the one nut towards the passenger side of the PCM case that seems to hold the battery case (in addition to the one at the bottom of the case I already took off). Is that the only one that has to come out? I don't actually need to pull off the PCM, right?

Wait. Is it called a PCM? I'm going back to cheat and look at your attachments.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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Crap. You did remove it. So I assume I need to. Any tricks to it? Pretty sure I don't wanna just wing this one. Don't know what a PCM costs but I'm betting its more than I'm in the mood to shell out.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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Can't say I have any tricks... just don't loose the bolts
Also, keep them in order that you took them out (I didn't and it took a little bit to remember what went where).
Might help to take pics of it while disassembling it to aid in the re installation.
Sorry couldn't be much help, but you really just remove bolts while working your way down towards the bottom on that housing.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon316G
Can't say I have any tricks... just don't loose the bolts
Also, keep them in order that you took them out (I didn't and it took a little bit to remember what went where).
Might help to take pics of it while disassembling it to aid in the re installation.
Sorry couldn't be much help, but you really just remove bolts while working your way down towards the bottom on that housing.
Ok. Got the big metal thing off and disconnected. I have the little silver thing underneath it unbolted. I took off the one nut beneath towards the headlight. I can probably get to the second nut.

I'll remember most of the sequences but I'll take pics instead.

How did you get the big grommets that all the wires into the box off the box? Do the grommets just pull up? I didn't see any clips but I'll try to figure it out.

How's come there's no DIY for this mothertrucker?
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 08:24 PM
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Hmm... Thinking this through it seems like I should be able to do this from underneath just by removing the under tray, right? I mean I just need to get to the lower rad hose.

It'll be harder to get to but might be a little safer of an install.

BTW - Any idea why there's a rubber band around the little PCM box? I noticed both mine and yours have it. Werd.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 08:25 PM
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Grommets just pull straight up.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RK
Hmm... Thinking this through it seems like I should be able to do this from underneath just by removing the under tray, right? I mean I just need to get to the lower rad hose.
I actually thought about that.
Can't recall if the power steering unit is in the way (not home to see my pics).

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BTW - Any idea why there's a rubber band around the little PCM box? I noticed both mine and yours have it. Werd.
Not sure what you are talking about.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 08:31 PM
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Looking at this pic it would appear to be difficult to reach that hose from underneath:
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 09:06 PM
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Heh. So I've gotten the PCM off and removed the bolts for the battery case holder underneath.

And I took off my tower bar, took off the middle tubing for the intake, and can't for the life of me get my #()$*()#$%^~ intake box off!

The two white grommets are on some screws that connect it to the front of the body of the car. The right one slid right off but the left one just won't budge. THe part of the car body is flexing but the intake box just won't come off.

Now I'm gonna go look at instructions for the RB intake. I haven't removed it since I put it on but there's gotta be something I'm missing.

ALMOST done for the evening. Hope I'm keeping you from getting too bored, Jon.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 09:09 PM
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The RB intake box has two nuts inside the box up front.
Just remove the filter and reach inside.
BTW... why are you removing the intake?

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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon316G
The RB intake box has two nuts inside the box up front.
Just remove the filter and reach inside.
BTW... why are you removing the intake?
Ah. That explains the resistance. Odd that the right one didn't have a nut. I'm gonna sue my installer.

I removed the intake so I could remove the battery case. I couldn't figure out how to get it out w/o removing the intake. My filter was pretty damn dirty too.

Besides I'm gonna check my coils tomorrow night after I do the coolant change and the water temp adapter. Gonna remove my throttle body tonight too.

So anyway the hose I wanna do the install on is the lower one, circled in Red (red means go), right? Not the upper rad hose circled in green.



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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 09:31 PM
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Correct.
The hose circled in red is going from the radiator to the water pump.
The hose circled in green is the return back to the radiator from the thermostat.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon316G
Correct.
The hose circled in red is going from the radiator to the water pump.
The hose circled in green is the return back to the radiator from the thermostat.
Wait. So then I want to tap into the one circled in green, right? That should be the highest temp the water hits.

Finally found an install thread on it and they kinda seem to think it should go on the upper rad hose.

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/prosport-water-temp-gauge-141673/

Bedtime. Also looking at my adapter and the hose I now question if it's big enough. Should be 34mm but I think it's 32mm (1 1/4"). So that may very well shitcan this idea. Maybe a local place has the adapter.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 10:19 PM
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Wait. So then I want to tap into the one circled in green, right? That should be the highest temp the water hits.

Didn't we have this argument before?
You mentioned that you wanted to measure the temp coming out of the radiator and I said to measure the temp coming out of the engine!
I agree that you should tap into the upper hose, but that isn't what you wanted before.
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 10:40 PM
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Found the pages where we originally talked about this.

Originally Posted by RK
Ok if there's no piping between the thermostat and the engine itself and it only releases coolant back to the resevoir/rad when it reaches a certain temp then I would have to put it past the thermostat. Which means if the thermostat malfunctions and is no longer reading correctly I would have no way of knowing - unless the sensor for the OEM gauge is part of the thermostat (?) and was still working.
So it appears that we concluded at the end of that conversation to install it after the thermostat (upper hose).
I would swear that you mentioned installing it after the radiator (maybe we talked about it offline) and I said "Ideally it would be nice to have a sensor going to and coming from the radiator."

Now let me ask you this, what if the thermostat fails to open at 180F?
How would you know other than realizing the temp hasn't gone up after several minutes?
I guess that is where the RB sensor works better since that is a constant recirculating line.

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Old Feb 25, 2009 | 08:41 AM
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i been gone for a couple days now but returning and reading Jon and RK's conversation makes me feel like i stepped into a Laurel and Hardy routine. "Who's on first" anyone?
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Old Feb 25, 2009 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Shinka_MJR
i been gone for a couple days now but returning and reading Jon and RK's conversation makes me feel like i stepped into a Laurel and Hardy routine. "Who's on first" anyone?
Where's my freakin license plate frame, Stan.
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Old Feb 25, 2009 | 09:14 AM
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So this is what I have for the autoshow.

1. John (1)
2. Doc (2)
3. Ryan (1)
4. Steve (1)
5. Tim (1 maybe)
6. Jon (2 ???)
7. Megan (2)

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