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I just wanted to follow-up, because I still have not received the package yet...
Let me know buddy!
Thanks!
We sent your lines nearly two months ago!! Email me buddy! They should take a few days not a few months to get to you. (definitely sent them though as I hand packed them myself)
-Heath
Nah, the AC line is fine, if it were bent it would not bolt up to the bracket on the firewall properly.
They just didn't test fit on a Sport. I would say the base models and Sports are pretty common. And I think even with the longer wire and flipping that one coil over you would have issues with the boot rubbing on the AC line.
Ding! This is the correct answer... our development car is not a sport. We weren't aware of the issue till now. As I said before we can bang out new wires for anyone needing them in a day, and 2-day ship them to anyone needing new wires.
Gah, next time someone email me! We don't bite
Sorry about the hangups you guys! We'll get everyone sorted. Can we get a consensus for alternate wire lengths that would accommodate everyone?
Agreed. If the L2 was even a 1/2" longer I could have inverted that one coil and made it work. I wonder if this problem is universal to the rarer sport models or I have a bent AC line. (engines been out 4 times so it's within the realm of possibility).
I'm sure it's not your line... wouldn't bolt back in otherwise. We'll make you new wires. Email us info@sakebombgarage.com
Ding! This is the correct answer... our development car is not a sport. We weren't aware of the issue till now. As I said before we can bang out new wires for anyone needing them in a day, and 2-day ship them to anyone needing new wires.
Gah, next time someone email me! We don't bite
Sorry about the hangups you guys! We'll get everyone sorted. Can we get a consensus for alternate wire lengths that would accommodate everyone?
Really,
Not beating down on you, but why would you 'develop' for a 'non sport model' when 99% of all RX-8's have ABS with TC ((DSC)?
This is precisely what concerns me even "IF" I wanted your excellent coil set for my Series II Right Hand Drive as the ABS unit is in the exact same position as Hoss' unit, (on left of car chassis rail) plus, it is actually a much larger factory ABS/DSC.
When I look at mine I just can not see how your coil pack would fit, next to zero clearance even if you could.
ABS with TC/DSC started in production from Sept 8th 2003.
Not beating down on you, but why would you 'develop' for a 'non sport model' when 99% of all RX-8's have ABS with TC ((DSC)?
This is precisely what concerns me even "IF" I wanted your excellent coil set for my Series II Right Hand Drive as the ABS unit is in the exact same position as Hoss' unit, (on left of car chassis rail) plus, it is actually a much larger factory ABS/DSC.
When I look at mine I just can not see how your coil pack would fit, next to zero clearance even if you could.
ABS with TC/DSC started in production from Sept 8th 2003.
BTW: I do support your product.
Maybe I'm not familiar with the terminology... we've got ABS on our shop car. What model is this? Touring? When it comes to rotary trivia I'll only win if it's an FD quiz
-Heath
Only the very early 2003 (1%) made RX-8's were without DCS (or Traction Control) which has a smaller ABS unit and configuration than those (99%) with ABS and integrated with DSC/TC.
Then no changes to ABS/DSC on 2003-2008's RX-8's until the Series 2 RX-8 of MY 2009-2012.
I had an idea about those with this issue.
Wouldn't it be possible to use longer screws and spacers to create gaps between the coils where it's needed?
I haven't installed mine yet.
I have a 2004 GT.
Maybe SB can send out emails to those who successfully installed the kit already and determine what models they have.
Hoss has a Sport.
Not beating down on you, but why would you 'develop' for a 'non sport model' when 99% of all RX-8's have ABS with TC ((DSC)?
This is precisely what concerns me even "IF" I wanted your excellent coil set for my Series II Right Hand Drive as the ABS unit is in the exact same position as Hoss' unit, (on left of car chassis rail) plus, it is actually a much larger factory ABS/DSC.
When I look at mine I just can not see how your coil pack would fit, next to zero clearance even if you could.
ABS with TC/DSC started in production from Sept 8th 2003.
BTW: I do support your product.
It seems that the right hand drive models engine bay could be configured differently than LH.
That may make it unsuitable, and perhaps determining that could be of benefit to those who don't have LHD.
I believe the Sohn bundles are different between LH & RH also.
Only the very early 2003 (1%) made RX-8's were without DCS (or Traction Control) which has a smaller ABS unit and configuration than those (99%) with ABS and integrated with DSC/TC.
Then no changes to ABS/DSC on 2003-2008's RX-8's until the Series 2 RX-8 of MY 2009-2012.
So, My 2005 without traction control is actually a 2003 or are those Aussi numbers you quoted?
The picture we listed above... what version is this? Also BigCajun has a good point, we do stock other length spacers and bolts for different IGN-1A kits and can supply those to move the coils to avoid hitting the AC pipe etc. We can go shorter or longer and have black anodized spacers and longer/shorter stainless bolts to match.
We just need help getting a list together for fitment so we can:
A) supply the needed spacers/longer plug wires to existing customers
B) adjust the kits so that all future kits ship with everything needed to fit any chassis
Unfortunately we only have a handful of local cars to test fit on, along with our shop chassis... and every one I've seen so far has our same ABS unit
It takes a village... to find all the fitment issues
I just wanted to follow-up, because I still have not received the package yet...
Let me know buddy!
Thanks!
You got the plug wires, but remember we were out of stickers
Now I see what you mean... you want to get the decals Well we have more coming in this week. Everything from rotor bombs decal, to small logos to large windshield banners
What color is your car? We've got different color vinyl coming, but my favorite is the brushed aluminum, brushed gold, and brushed copper (especially for a windshield banner). We've also got some standard black and white, as well as chrome decals, they're on the way! Just let me know what you're after, we'll make you a care package to sticker-bomb your car
So, My 2005 without traction control is actually a 2003 or are those Aussi numbers you quoted?
Nope all numbers quoted here are US and direct from Mazda EPC (as always)..
Accordingly your 2005 should have TC/DSC.
Shoot me your full VIN # (PM) and I can triple check by VIN #...
Here is Mazda EPC screenshot, the 6 digit number string underlined in blue are actual production dates (Japan), and you read them from backwards 030908, 08 is 8th, 09 is Sept, 03 is 2003.
From Sept 8th 2003 production all S1's were fitted with ABS/DSC according to Mazda genuine EPC.??
Electronic Parts Catalog.
F1Y1-43-7A0 ABS WO/DCS (With Out) up to 030908
F1Y3-43-7A0A ABS W/DSC (With) from 030908
F1Y3-43-7A0B ABS W/DSC (With) from 030908 to 050901
F1Y3-43-7A0C ABS W/DSC (With) from 050901
The two F1Y3 ABS Modules all supersede (A and B) to the C version, and is the last/latest for ALL S1 RX-8's With DSC.
US Dealer On Line Prices brand new..(rough)
F1Y1-43-7A0 ABS/WO TC $1105 (the USA/NA was the only country (LHD) to have any non ABS/WO TC.)
F1Y3-43-7A0C ABS/W TC $1443 (for ALL Series 1 RX-8's worldwide (inc USA/NA) with TC, RHD and LHD models)
Edit: BTW, Don't always go by the EPC (black) sketch image of any parts as being 100% accurate, they are only used as a guide and are usually only shown as the first iteration of any parts shown), it is the Part Numbers which are important.
Well this is the unit we designed around... what percentage of cars have this unit (if you know) and what other variants do we need to account for/design for?
The update for our IGN-1A setup is pretty straight forward for LHD and RHD cars... longer plug wires to accommodate either style, possibly a couple extra shorter or longer spacers, and an extra section in the instructions for the alternate models. The more info you guys can give us the better! And we will supply any additional parts needed to update your current kits *free of charge*
Already listed rough percentages from Mazda EPC since production (for all Series 1 RX-8's).
Perhaps IF you wanted to confirm from your "design around" vehicle content is to then PM me it's FULL VIN #.
Sorry, but I cant always tell from 'a Pic' what you actually have, been caught many times when cars are or maybe or have been modded....there are only the 2 units for Series 1.
ALL Series 1 RX-8's LHD and RHD worldwide use the exact same ABS Units, which mounts in the exact same location (left), which appears is the area of concern for your Coil pack and Lead mountings (space).
In Series 1 RX-8's worldwide there are only the two ABS units, the very earliest WITHOUT TC/DSC and those WITH TC/DSC and these with are the majority.
F1Y1-43-7A0 ABS WO/TC (ONLY used in USA/NA)
F1Y3-43-7A0C ABS W/TC (Used Worldwide for all S1 RX-8's with TC including USA)
ALL Series 2 RX-8's LHD and RHD use the exact same ABS unit, also mounted on the left side and all have TC/DSC.
Mazda PN F1Y9-43-7A0A
This is a new Series 2 only RX-8 ABS (with DSC) I have F1Y9-43-7A0A...
Got some numbers for you guys...
17,739 (actual from VIN) early RX-8's were built for USA/NA Without TC or DSC.
153K (estimate from total worldwide production) Series 1's made With TC or DSC.
Something seems strange.
If there are that many DSC equipped 8s, and they are the same, why haven't more owners reported problems?
I count at least 5 owners who have it that have posted about it, there are probably more who haven't posted, it doesn't make sense.
Hoss supplied me his full VIN and proves that Mazda's EPC production Dates are not always correct and Why I always ask for a FULL VIN and that way EPC shows ONLY the parts fitted to that VIN or car.
In Hoss case his car is an August 2004 made one (and shown as a 2004 MY) and has NO TC/DSC or a F1Y1-43-7A0 ABS, and his VIN falls within the 17,739 (made for US) cars without TC/DSC.
IF the guys as SakeBomb can supply me the FULL VIN of their ''design/research/test RX-8'' I can double check it's ABS unit, I am guessing theirs is one with TC/DSC as there are physically only two different looking units ever made/used for Series 1's, and Hoss' pic shows his type without DSC/TC.
Sorry for my drivel and mess I sometimes write, but I stand by my information once a full VIN is supplied, it has never lied to me..
Something seems strange.
If there are that many DSC equipped 8s, and they are the same, why haven't more owners reported problems?
I count at least 5 owners who have it that have posted about it, there are probably more who haven't posted, it doesn't make sense.
The vast majority of S1 RX-8's indeed have DSC/TC and the minority are without DSC/TC
which has a larger/different positioned ABS unit (without DSC) which is giving these owners like Hoss' a clearance issue.
And as I just said above I am almost certain the SB test/design car/picture also has the DSC/TC incorporated ABS unit.
All RX-8's have ABS and almost all use the ABS unit with TC/DSC.
BTW: Someone will remember this (I don't) but did Mazda skip a Model year (2005) for the USA S1 RX-8, went from 2004 to 2006 MY (from Oct 2005 production).
I think they might have, I somewhere reacall reading it years ago as they had so much stock/supplies made in 2003/4 and 2005?
Anyway, I am thread crapping.
SakeBomb Coil products are great and I DON'T want members to get the wrong impressions...OK.
BTW: Someone will remember this (I don't) but did Mazda skip a Model year (2005) for the USA S1 RX-8, went from 2004 to 2006 MY (from Oct 2005 production).
I think they might have, I somewhere reacall reading it years ago as they had so much stock/supplies made in 2003/4 and 2005?
Anyway, I am thread crapping.
SakeBomb Coil products are great and I DON'T want members to get the wrong impressions...OK.
We have TC/DSC. We've got the sensors on the control arms for yaw/suspension movement
Also I'm trying to figure out why so many people accidentally call us SNAKE Bomb I feel like that would be a hilarious April fools name change though. Last year we changed our name to SoccerMom Garage on April 1st when the 2nd rolled around we decided we no longer wanted to support the Toyota Sienna Minivan platform.
Anyway, back on topic... someone give us a heads up on spacer lengths for alternate ABS mounting. Sound off, who's got the coils and BASE abs system? It looks like at least one person posting in this thread. Can anyone confirm on a S2?
I'm happy to discuss ABS units and years but I want to solve this issue ASAP for you guys. Again, please PM or email us if you have ANY conflicts or issues!
01-29-2016, 05:13 PM
(definitely sent them though as I hand packed them myself)
I feel like that would be a hilarious April fools name change though. Last year we changed our name to SoccerMom Garage on April 1st