GB: SakeBomb Garage IGN-1A Ignition Coil Kit - Page 10 - RX8Club.com



Group Buy Center Approved group buys ONLY. To become an approved group buy vendor - go here:
https://www.rx8club.com/payments.php

Reply
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread
Old 02-08-2016, 10:45 AM   #226
Registered
iTrader: (38)
 
9krpmrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 33,335
Thanked 210 Times in 179 Posts
TX

Quote:
Originally Posted by SBGarage View Post




If I was pushing these on people/trying to drum up sales, or pitching them as a massive power increase (which they aren't, and never have claimed to be) I'd head down the street to the local dyno shop, do some pulls on the stock coils, head back to our shop, swap the new setup in, do some more pulls the next day on the IGN-1A's, and then post up a couple dyno graphs. Then the same skeptics *demanding* hard evidence will then nit pick that it was done on different days, different temps, age of the stock coils, what stock coil version, plug wire age, how old are the plugs, and then scratch their heads wondering how these compare to LS coils ... on and on. I'm not here to *convince* you to buy them and I don't claim it's going to supercharge your car. In the same vein, this isn't snake oil, and yes there is both a performance/drive-ability, and reliability benefit.

We spend our time developing performance parts, not marketing/selling them. I'm not here trying to spur sales, or maximize profit... I came here dumbfounded that no one made this yet, and that there are companies out there selling (of all things) LS coil retrofits for the RX8. We've tested these to death on FD's for years and found bulletproof reliability, power increases, and drive-ability benefits, and ability to support tuning/power expansion later. We slapped a prototype kit on our RX8 with no modifications/dwell time adjustments and low and behold... smother revs, punchier mid and top end. Same as nearly everyone else is reporting here. Believe it or don't...


No offense, but the RX8 is small potatoes... and the customers who buy our parts typically find us, not the other way around. We build systems/components/kits that (I believe) should speak for themselves. Those that are in the know will purchase them, those who are not please sit back, eat some popcorn, and wait to see how it shakes out.

In the mean time (instead of everyone working together to help us make sure these can be made to fit S2/RHD/non TC ABS units) I'd like to pose a few questions myself since there's so much doubt in the air
-Are the stock coils are "sufficient" and if so what's the proof?
-Why do stock coils often fail?
-Why do the LS coil retrofits also seem to fail frequently?
-How did LS coil retrofits even became a thing here, and why is that "accepted"?
-Why did Mazda use 20ga wire as +12v power wire in the ignition system, and do you think that was a good idea and or was "sufficient"?
-Where is the stock block ground vs coil ground flow path, is in relation to sensitive sensors? (as far as I can tell it's all mixed together )
-Why are the stock coils not tied to sensor ground (and if anyone here understands associated implications)?
-Why do you think these coils will fail when they've been tested to not fail under far more extreme conditions?
-Why aren't you sure they'll work on the "Renny" when they're proven to work on the 13b-REW.

You are making claims that you can't prove, that is all I am saying. That doesn't help anyone and only comes off as marketing BS. These coils and your kit should speak for themselves, there should not need to be any fairy tail claims or references (such as to use on NHRA cars, etc) to other uses that have nothing to do with our use.

-Are the stock coils are "sufficient" and if so what's the proof?
It depends on your definition of sufficient, but I would say yes, the current version C coils from mazda are sufficient for most uses and many racing classes require the use of stock coils and people use them without many issues at all
-Why do stock coils often fail?
Heat, mileage, a bad cat converter, etc
-Why do the LS coil retrofits also seem to fail frequently?
Frequently? That is a stretch. Thousands of people here have never had a problem with their D585's failing. The same can be said for uses on other platforms. My kit is 7 years old, several others locally are also at more than 5 years with many miles without issue.
-How did LS coil retrofits even became a thing here, and why is that "accepted"?
It has been a topic of discussion for many, many years, as have the Mercury coils
-Why did Mazda use 20ga wire as +12v power wire in the ignition system, and do you think that was a good idea and or was "sufficient"?
You would have to ask an electrical engineer. I believe it is sufficient for 99% of the RX-8's on the road
-Where is the stock block ground vs coil ground flow path, is in relation to sensitive sensors? (as far as I can tell it's all mixed together )
There is a condenser, and a few grounding points in the system but no stand alone ground for the coils as far as I know
-Why are the stock coils not tied to sensor ground (and if anyone here understands associated implications)?
Again, an electrical engineer with experience in vehicles could probably answer that
-Why do you think these coils will fail when they've been tested to not fail under far more extreme conditions?
I don't think these coils will fail necessarily. I LIKE THESE COILS. But they commonly fail in the boating world so let's not act like they don't have a somewhat normal failure rate
-Why aren't you sure they'll work on the "Renny" when they're proven to work on the 13b-REW
Because most here with a "renny" are running a stock untuned ECU so I don't think an apples to apples comparison is acceptable.

Last edited by 9krpmrx8; 02-08-2016 at 10:50 AM.
9krpmrx8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2016, 10:57 AM   #227
Registered
iTrader: (38)
 
9krpmrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 33,335
Thanked 210 Times in 179 Posts
TX

Quote:
Originally Posted by yomomspimp06 View Post
I understand 9K's Skepticism. I welcome it. It's what drives communities. Far too many times I have witnessed the blind leading the blind and communities accepting something to be factual that isn't. In scott's defense, he's been here for the long haul and seen the wrong doings of many vendors. The unsubstantiated claims of what is better and what isn't...

I find his questioning to be refreshing. It forces you to face the facts. The facts are that on the older 13b's these coils are a god send(as well as other platforms). As I see it, I've only heard/read of these coils giving up @ 30+psi of boost on older 13b's. A Realm I just don't see happening anytime soon on a Renesis. Maybe someone should build a hybrid motor to help with the back pressure/heat issue and push the platform...

With that being said, Still loving my kit. Fires up and Helps ignite the fuel while I'm running down local Mustangs, Camaros, and turbo Hondas. Has survived a dwell time that quite frankly is a tad bit high for the coils. Has seen 20+psi of boost with no signs of breakup. The only thing I can say bad is I'm not sure how long these will hold up. My BHR coils that were said to be a lifelong investment have proven otherwise with multiple failures That's not a big issue as I'm aware that all good things do come to an end. Stay tuned for a long term reliability review.

Long live the SB ignition kit. Shout out to Team for initially getting the wheels turning for me: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tec...-coils-221536/

That's bad *** that they are working for you and I think your use is perfect for these and if you have positive results then that is all that matters.

But there no way in hell that anyone is going to convince me that installing them on a stock untuned NA RX-8 is going to benefit from them unless they had failing stock coils before.

And I agree on reliability, only time will tell.
9krpmrx8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 01:45 AM   #228
n3rd
 
slash128's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: in my mind
Posts: 1,998
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by yomomspimp06 View Post
...Has seen 20+psi of boost with no signs of breakup...
Wait.... You pushing 20psi?!? What did I miss?!?
slash128 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 01:59 AM   #229
El Jefe
 
yomomspimp06's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,784
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by slash128 View Post
Wait.... You pushing 20psi?!? What did I miss?!?
you missed me hooking up an EBC incorrectly a few weeks ago. I routed my MAC solenoid incorrectly and overboosted. figured out that I routed it wrong, so I fixed that. Later that week I Lost to a built K-swapped EG hatch. I would blow the motor up before I lost to a honda...routed it back the incorrect way and ran 25psi falling off to 19-20 (just what I could see trying to monitor it all by eye). going to find a MBC as I have yet to be able to make adjustments to this boost controller and it work. smh
yomomspimp06 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 11:27 AM   #230
n3rd
 
slash128's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: in my mind
Posts: 1,998
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Oh noz! That's allegiance to the platform lol...
slash128 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 08:31 PM   #231
El Jefe
 
yomomspimp06's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,784
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
#rotangklan
yomomspimp06 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 08:40 PM   #232
El Jefe
 
yomomspimp06's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,784
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
stock motor with 115k miles on it. Low compression and failing coolant seal.
greddy kit with 60-1 upgrade.
yomomspimp06 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 10:45 PM   #233
RX8Club.com Sponsor
Thread Starter
 
SBGarage's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 290
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by yomomspimp06 View Post
you missed me hooking up an EBC incorrectly a few weeks ago. I routed my MAC solenoid incorrectly and overboosted. figured out that I routed it wrong, so I fixed that. Later that week I Lost to a built K-swapped EG hatch. I would blow the motor up before I lost to a honda...routed it back the incorrect way and ran 25psi falling off to 19-20 (just what I could see trying to monitor it all by eye). going to find a MBC as I have yet to be able to make adjustments to this boost controller and it work. smh
You have fuel up there ? Don't risk the motor over a Honda!

Anyone running E85/flex fuel on the turbo Renesis builds?

In the REW world (I know the side port renesis isn't exactly the same) but we've found essentially the sky's the limit on E85... we found no signs of knock on straight E85 at 585rwhp on a nearly stock motor (very very mild street port) and a reasonably sized single turbo. The coils didn't break a sweat. This particular setup (ignition and all) have been dead-on reliable for 3+ years at this point. This is just one of many data points. We could have kept tuning for higher boost but that was more than enough to get into trouble.

I'd think E85 would be the ticket for a turbo Renesis. Is that commonly done here yet? It's common practice and well accepted over in FD land :D

Last edited by SBGarage; 02-12-2016 at 12:08 AM.
SBGarage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 10:48 PM   #234
Dark Moderator
iTrader: (17)
 
Williard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: PA, Shamokin. Ho-bud
Posts: 1,991
Thanked 37 Times in 31 Posts
The only two i know of actively testing with it are Slash and Brettus.

At least those are the only two i've seen talking about it recently.

Travis
Williard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2016, 12:15 AM   #235
RX8Club.com Sponsor
Thread Starter
 
SBGarage's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 290
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Williard View Post
The only two i know of actively testing with it are Slash and Brettus.

At least those are the only two i've seen talking about it recently.

Travis
If that's in fact true, my previous premise stands... the FD's little brother has a LOT of catching up to do. IGN-1A's, E85/Flex, EWP's... I think the RX8 community has only scratched the surface thus far
SBGarage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2016, 01:26 AM   #236
El Jefe
 
yomomspimp06's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,784
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Williard View Post
The only two i know of actively testing with it are Slash and Brettus.

At least those are the only two i've seen talking about it recently.

Travis
As an OG e85 mix pioneer I resent being left out haha Not really. I'm glad people are opening their eyes to this. E85 FTW

Quote:
Originally Posted by SBGarage View Post
If that's in fact true, my previous premise stands... the FD's little brother has a LOT of catching up to do. IGN-1A's, E85/Flex, EWP's... I think the RX8 community has only scratched the surface thus far
EWP me please!! I'm also waiting to hear info on the BBK. I'm going to be in the market in a couple months. I'll also take a heavy introductory discount on both hehe
yomomspimp06 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2016, 01:40 AM   #237
n3rd
 
slash128's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: in my mind
Posts: 1,998
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
OG!!! I'm not even true E85, just E50 Thanks for talking me into it yomom!
slash128 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2016, 01:48 AM   #238
El Jefe
 
yomomspimp06's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,784
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
you took it a step further than me. It's the natural way of things. I'm glad we have people like you and brett. You both have great setups, awesome ability to diagnose and work on issues that arise, and most importantly, the communication skills to help further the platform.
yomomspimp06 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2016, 02:28 AM   #239
Dark Moderator
iTrader: (17)
 
Williard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: PA, Shamokin. Ho-bud
Posts: 1,991
Thanked 37 Times in 31 Posts

My bad

Quote:
Originally Posted by yomomspimp06 View Post
As an OG e85 mix pioneer I resent being left out haha Not really. I'm glad people are opening their eyes to this. E85 FTW



EWP me please!! I'm also waiting to hear info on the BBK. I'm going to be in the market in a couple months. I'll also take a heavy introductory discount on both hehe
Williard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2016, 10:25 AM   #240
Registered
iTrader: (38)
 
9krpmrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 33,335
Thanked 210 Times in 179 Posts
I mix E85 as well, have been for a couple of months now and I don't know what took me so long. Slash8 and Yomom are bad influences.
9krpmrx8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2016, 10:39 AM   #241
n3rd
 
slash128's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: in my mind
Posts: 1,998
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Bad influence, eh? Apparently not bad enough if you're still at 7psi on E85... Time to crank it up!
slash128 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2016, 11:48 AM   #242
Registered
iTrader: (38)
 
9krpmrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 33,335
Thanked 210 Times in 179 Posts
TX

Quote:
Originally Posted by slash128 View Post
Bad influence, eh? Apparently not bad enough if you're still at 7psi on E85... Time to crank it up!
Yeah, I am trying to make it to 50k on this engine.
9krpmrx8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2016, 03:30 PM   #243
RX8Club.com Sponsor
Thread Starter
 
SBGarage's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 290
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Since this threads gone off track and we're running a second group buy on the coil kits, please head over here if you're interested in purchasing one at GB pricing -> https://www.rx8club.com/group-buy-ce...system-261865/

***If you guys want to continue general discussion/debates about the coils please continue here in this thread, not in the new GB thread. ***

Last edited by SBGarage; 03-28-2016 at 03:35 PM.
SBGarage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 03:53 PM   #244
转子之魂
 
UnknownJinX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Victoria, BC
Posts: 495
Thanked 62 Times in 57 Posts
This is an ancient thread, but just want to check with people:

Is it true that with the car stock, it doesn't really matter which coils you use?
UnknownJinX is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2017, 06:54 PM   #245
Registered
iTrader: (38)
 
9krpmrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 33,335
Thanked 210 Times in 179 Posts
Well it matters in terms of reliability. But with upgraded coils you definitely want to account for them in a custom tune. The stock coils have gone thru a few revisions (A, B, C) that are not reflected in the aftermarket stock replacements.
9krpmrx8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2017, 08:02 AM   #246
Koi no Ousama
iTrader: (25)
 
TeamRX8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 20,093
Thanks: 0
Thanked 189 Times in 161 Posts
"As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly"
TeamRX8 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Project "Bad Ass RX-8" is on... rotorocks Series I Tech Garage 47 05-11-2016 04:23 PM
{ FS } 2004 Mazda RX-8 EfrainOlivares West For Sale/Wanted 1 08-14-2015 07:17 PM
2004 RX8 6 port 05TR1CH New Member Forum 6 08-11-2015 02:08 AM
LIL help for a newbie please! (stereo related) MolecularConcept New Member Forum 15 08-05-2015 05:43 PM
bit sluggish after installing d585s madrotor New Member Forum 2 07-26-2015 01:06 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:20 AM.


All content Copyright 2017 by Internet Brands, Inc. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.