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12-01-2010, 09:25 PM
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jDt: this thread violates the forum rules user conduct. There are multiple threads concerning the AccessPORT service, it's current status, delays, and there is a bad guy section if you so desire to post / start a thread there.
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12-01-2010, 09:28 PM
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Jdt
Remove the AP base tune and go back to stock tune
make sure you have stock injectors in the p1 and secondary locations
Have a wideband AFR guage hooked up and monitor to make sure you are not too rich/lean
Disconnect the wastegate arm from the actuator (which will prevent boost)
Drive car like normal avoiding full throttle past 5000 rpm ish
Remove the AP base tune and go back to stock tune
make sure you have stock injectors in the p1 and secondary locations
Have a wideband AFR guage hooked up and monitor to make sure you are not too rich/lean
Disconnect the wastegate arm from the actuator (which will prevent boost)
Drive car like normal avoiding full throttle past 5000 rpm ish
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12-02-2010, 11:11 AM
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Dear Jeff,
I wrote to you several times to know if there has been some troubles with the e-mail, I'm still waiting for the FIRST map, or is it normal that I sent to you my log on the 14th of September and I haven't received nothing yet?(3 month!!!!)
I would like to know the reason why after many emails I wrote I still don't have the answer...as per me there are many other RX8Tribe.com users.
I think this behavior is not correct and professional, due to the fact that you have enough time to reply here.
I would like a reply, for being reassured, or better for receiving my map.
Thank you
I wrote to you several times to know if there has been some troubles with the e-mail, I'm still waiting for the FIRST map, or is it normal that I sent to you my log on the 14th of September and I haven't received nothing yet?(3 month!!!!)
I would like to know the reason why after many emails I wrote I still don't have the answer...as per me there are many other RX8Tribe.com users.
I think this behavior is not correct and professional, due to the fact that you have enough time to reply here.
I would like a reply, for being reassured, or better for receiving my map.
Thank you
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12-02-2010, 11:54 AM
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Well the kind of control offered with such stand alones will always trump every other option. But for those who aren't willing to spend a couple grand or MORE, reflash of the PCM is by FAR the next best solution, and is more than adequate in this specific motor/PCM's capabilities. And if you wanna make the argument about whats adequate vs ideal, you wouldnt be working with rotary engines, you'd be toying with 2 stroke diesels.
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12-02-2010, 01:16 PM
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challenge? are you kidding?
everyone here is well aware of what the MoTec's and some other standalone systems can do. the point being that the vast majority of folks venturing into FI are not going to spend two thousand dollars and up for engine management, when there is a solution that is working just fine for 1/4 the cost
wow, complicated to understand i guess
everyone here is well aware of what the MoTec's and some other standalone systems can do. the point being that the vast majority of folks venturing into FI are not going to spend two thousand dollars and up for engine management, when there is a solution that is working just fine for 1/4 the cost
wow, complicated to understand i guess
12-02-2010, 01:46 PM
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I know. and no offense to the OP but, the thread served its purpose after the first post, historically isnt likely to go anywhere ON topic, and these threads are a dime a dozen already. No harm, no foul I guess
12-02-2010, 03:36 PM
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Man guys, some of you are simply dumb. If you knew MM sucks at his service, why do you still buy from him?? Spend the extra cash and do it right, get a standalone ecu. Then you will have way more control over your car.
12-02-2010, 03:48 PM
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Ignorance doesn't make someone dumb. They probably purchased it because it was being discontinued and wanted it before it was gone. And, if you have read through the forum at that time, MM seemed to be the only option, and there was plenty of praise.
12-03-2010, 12:39 PM
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If you feel that you can add more to this, please PM. I do not know much of the COBB AP, but pretty damn sure its not gonna beat or match my M880
12-03-2010, 01:01 PM
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12-03-2010, 02:47 PM
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you can leave the factory controls to the factory ecu. simple. I wasn't saying it was the most practical, just saying a Genuine Stand Alone has more features than a flash PCM. Though it don't matter with you guys, as i don't think any of you will get into that sorta stuff.
12-03-2010, 03:25 PM
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Please EDUCATE us. Ill even pay you if its worth it, or something I already don't know.
12-03-2010, 06:11 PM
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OK, serious question, totally neutral with not judgments toward MM or anyone else.
You put FI on your car and use a Cobb to log your base tune. You send that log electronically to you your tuner. How long does it take to remap the tune, and how many times does this process need to be repeated to get it to the point where the car runs well in all load conditions, throttle inputs, etc?
You put FI on your car and use a Cobb to log your base tune. You send that log electronically to you your tuner. How long does it take to remap the tune, and how many times does this process need to be repeated to get it to the point where the car runs well in all load conditions, throttle inputs, etc?
12-03-2010, 06:53 PM
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and FWIW I think I do, the first thing that comes to mind is independant control of fuel and/or ignition between the front and rear rotors, something that is very nice no doubt, but also something that has been done without in 95% or more of performance applications. Seems to me it only becomes truly advantageous when pushing the extreme limit where variances in F&R temps are make or break. Hell, RE-A managed some pretty amazing NA numbers a while back with the OE PCM...
Different models, varied price. I've seen minumum of $2,000. Not aware if the lower end models are capable of proper application on a rotary, or any models capabilities to the rest of your concerns
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12-03-2010, 06:55 PM
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zen: I would imagine there is no concrete answer for a question such as that given, the variables involved.
Time frame: all depends on your tuner, if he is sitting at his computer with nothing else to do then I would imagine the turn around could be rather quick. A day? hours?
I have sometimes wondered about trying to do a remote tuning session where the tuner is on stand-by and I'm sending data logs directly off a dyno just to see if it could be done.
Number of tunes: assuming there are no mechanical issues with the vehicle or that none arise in between data log sessions I would think anywhere between 3 and 10?
I've seen Jeff (using him just as an example) tune an N/A car in 3 data logs but I've also seen cars being tuned on a dyno that end up doing well over 30 pulls.
Maybe a tuner such as Jeff or someone else could shed some more light on it, but that's just my opinion based on observations.
Time frame: all depends on your tuner, if he is sitting at his computer with nothing else to do then I would imagine the turn around could be rather quick. A day? hours?
I have sometimes wondered about trying to do a remote tuning session where the tuner is on stand-by and I'm sending data logs directly off a dyno just to see if it could be done.
Number of tunes: assuming there are no mechanical issues with the vehicle or that none arise in between data log sessions I would think anywhere between 3 and 10?
I've seen Jeff (using him just as an example) tune an N/A car in 3 data logs but I've also seen cars being tuned on a dyno that end up doing well over 30 pulls.
Maybe a tuner such as Jeff or someone else could shed some more light on it, but that's just my opinion based on observations.
12-03-2010, 11:20 PM
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Jedi is pretty much spot on.
With minimal drama and good set-up before tuning. I've done it in 3-6 rounds. Then again I've done others where I am 5-6 rounds into it and they find something that is wrong and needs to be changed.... oops, start all over now.
With minimal drama and good set-up before tuning. I've done it in 3-6 rounds. Then again I've done others where I am 5-6 rounds into it and they find something that is wrong and needs to be changed.... oops, start all over now.
12-04-2010, 12:19 AM
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I don't have "customer" problems.
Some might have a problem with me, but the ratio is statistically aligned against me in that regard, since I'm just one person and "they" are many, many hundreds. If even only 1% had an issue, that would still look like a Greek tragedy on this forum.
You can feel free to sign up for my seminar next time it comes around, but I'm pretty sure most of it would be totally over your head.
You put FI on your car and use a Cobb to log your base tune. You send that log electronically to you your tuner. How long does it take to remap the tune, and how many times does this process need to be repeated to get it to the point where the car runs well in all load conditions, throttle inputs, etc?
When I do an e-tune, I spend about 20 minutes to a half-hour on each iteration. On a properly setup car, it takes 6 to 10 iterations.
I do a fair amount of double-checking on the e-tunes.
Tomorrow, I have 2 FI RX-8s, an NA RX-8 and a Speed3 up here in Portland.
It will probably take all of the 8 hours to complete this, but it might only take 5 hours or so if both FI RX-8s are perfectly setup.
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12-04-2010, 01:26 AM
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When I am physically in the same room with the car, an FI tune can take several hours, depending on how good the mechanical setup is. In that situation, each edit takes about 15 minutes.
When I do an e-tune, I spend about 20 minutes to a half-hour on each iteration. On a properly setup car, it takes 6 to 10 iterations.
I do a fair amount of double-checking on the e-tunes.
Tomorrow, I have 2 FI RX-8s, an NA RX-8 and a Speed3 up here in Portland.
It will probably take all of the 8 hours to complete this, but it might only take 5 hours or so if both FI RX-8s are perfectly setup.
When I do an e-tune, I spend about 20 minutes to a half-hour on each iteration. On a properly setup car, it takes 6 to 10 iterations.
I do a fair amount of double-checking on the e-tunes.
Tomorrow, I have 2 FI RX-8s, an NA RX-8 and a Speed3 up here in Portland.
It will probably take all of the 8 hours to complete this, but it might only take 5 hours or so if both FI RX-8s are perfectly setup.