ERX8

The drama is for Luxluc and me, we will never recover our kits.

But i'm satisfied that this thief has been banned by the forum.

Now i just would like to know the other forums where this guy is listed, to make know his psychology and intentions.

stinksause

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Mazdaspeed 3 forum? or something of that nature .... google mazdamaniac, it should come up

DS27Rx8

Damn I wish you (MazdaManiac) would have replied to me when I begged to to finish my tune. Even after sending you all the emails stating you would finish the tune regardless the timeline because you were way behind. Then when it came time to finish ohhhh f- you. And then no more replies. Nice dude. Btw when you live in Michigan you can't expect someone to get you data logs in DECEMBER! Like I told you. And when you order something in july and don't get it until the end of September. Then get my first tune in november. Come on.

I guess I am out of my mind.

stinksause

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you are out of your mind if you do business with MM

faith&firepower

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Check out Chips Motorsports....Chip is helping me out with my Esmeril kit since Jeff never got me a tune that would run on the vehicle.

HiFlite999

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Essentially the same thing happend to me.

ShellDude

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I take it is "game over" for reals, Ray? Not looking to live the drama but it's pretty clear at this point that there is zero communication between you and Jeff. The cord's been cut?

From what I've gathered, Cobb turned over all distribution and licensing of the AccessPORT for RX8 to MazdaManiac. Shops looking to support ECU tuning on the Cobb platform for the RX8 must go through MM to gain access to the RX8 tables in Pro tuner.

Shops that I've spoken to have simply given up on ever gaining access to Protuner for the 8 for this very reason. This is becoming more and more frustrating.

Shell

reddozen

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Yea, that's a pain in the ***. All you could hope to do is pressure Cobb like I think Ray was implying with the fact that he doesn't perform to the standards and expectation of a business with their reputation.

ShellDude

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Having Protuner for the 8 would certainly make my local "pro" tuner happy. He'd happily pay the $3000-$5000 they normally charge all the evo shops too.

TeamRX8

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Probably because nobody is complaining to the right person

Please send your complaints here: scott.brood@cobbtuning.com

He has the rights on all remaining AP units in Cobb's inventory, but not the Pro Tuner software for the RX8



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Highway8

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Wasnt this a missing turbo kit thread?

I have viewed this thread and others like it many times and I always hesitate to say anything, so this will be my first and last post on the subject.

I have not heard of anyone not getting their AP and eversense Jeff start live tuning, nobody should be having any problem getting their car tuned in a reasonable and preductable amount of time. Jeff has gone above and beyond over the last year to help me with my tunes. The biggest thing that has always slowed tuning down is bad data logs and people not following directions. Always has been and always will be.

If there are delays in the delivery of the AP to the customer, that can be traced back to Cobb. From what I understand, they dont stock a large number of the units and Jeff has to make a large enough purchase for them to produce and then there is a delay. So if 5 people all buy AP in a 2 week period and Jeff only has 3 in stock, those last 2 are out of luck until Cobb produces and delivers. I could be wrong but this is my understanding.

Classic case of people trying to bite the hand that feeds them. The AP for the RX8 and the tuning software would not exist or be as good as it is if it was not for Jeff. In fact Cobb stopped producing the AP and only continued producing it because Jeff pushed them.

Does Jeff have his issues, made his mistakes and according to some, made big mistakes?? Yes but name me one person who has not screwed up??

For what it is worth, ERX8, if I sold you that turbo kit and had a tracking number that shows delivered, I would tell you to pound sand too. Your battle needs to be with the post office or your neighbor who stole it. Believing Jeff fabricated an elaborate scheme with tracking, is as ludacris as you paying in full for a kit and not complaining for years about not receiving it. The other customer with no turbo was promissed his kit but hasnt been on here in 6 weeks. For all we know it arrived. If it hasnt, let him come on and say something.

Teamrx8, your a smart guy and you have probably forgotten more about the RX8 and cars in general then I will ever know and I respect you for that, but always taking shots at MM and taking it upon yourself to get him baned or kicked off the forum is getting old. Your better then that. If you have a personal example of Jeff treating you wrong or facts related to the case, I will gladly listen, otherwise I just ignore it. Other people including Jeff has made similar pleas with you so I can expect the same reply, but I had to say it anyways.

Charles and BHR, I love what you guys do, keep doing it. I am sorry you and MM had to part ways, but your business pratices are too different and I think it was best for both of you to cut ties. You have me as a customer for as long as I own a rx8. Can I get a long tube header?

9krpmrx8

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The AP and the tuning software would not exist if it were not for Jeff? Come on man. Did he have a huge roll in keeping the sales of the Cobb AP for the RX-8 going? Sure he did and he is a great tuner but he is not the only tuner and the Cobb tuning software would still be around either way. Anyone who wants to tune using ATR can do so freely.

dannobre

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And there are other tuners with ATPro around as well........

bose

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Sure other people can tune it but no one else can sell you one new. How will that work if Cobb got rid of him? And what would it do for you?
I still want an ap.

ShellDude

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Jeff has tuned my 8 on multiple occasions. He does great work. I just want more options.

TeamRX8

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There are several used ones FS on the forum. I have owned and sold several, not a single one of them was ever bought new.

Otherwise I was a beta tester for the AP starting in late 2006 and all I will say is if you honest believe that then we will never see that hook, line, or sinker again .... Further, I didn't get anyone banned any more than I am responsible for their actions or lack thereof. By all rights anyone else would have been banned several years earlier under the same circumstances. Those assertions are ridiculous and as was already pointed out your own credibility is at stake by making preposterous claims. I suppose I am to blame for BHR disassociating itself too? You need to wake the f--- up and smell the coffee dude.



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bose

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I am aware of their availability on the used market. I would like a warranty, someone could easily sell me a brick and Cobb would either tell me to pound sand, or have me pay a high price to fix it. I don't care who I buy it for from I just want a new one, call me picky.

Luxluc

@Highway8 : As you may have missed : I don't have my RX8 anymore. And I still haven't seen anything from MM yet (e-mail, turbo kit or whatsoever). It is quite obvious that I don't login frequently on a forum where I'm permamently reminded of my 2000+ $ that I have sent over 3.5 years ago for something I will probably never get.

One comment I would like to make : Massive thanks to Charles @ BHR for always helping me out and getting me the parts I needed when I had to go for another turbo as Jeff didn't come up with his obligations.

I hope you guys understand that I'm not really in a mood to discuss eternally about something that will probably never be solved.

Cheers

Luc

Highway8

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Well Jeff wasn't baned several years ago, he was allowed to remain on the forum and even become a vender. He payed his money and he cleaned up his act. AP ship, tuning gets done and post were not insulting. All past issues had been dropped and he was allowed to move forward as far as the moderators were concerned. However the mods kept getting reminders and pressure of past indiscretions and eventually he was banned. IB not returning his vender fees I'm sure.

Jeff got himself banned by building a bad reputation with some of his past actions, you kept reminding everyone of those, both publicly and privately. So I guess i should have said, you played a roll.

My credibility at stake? I am not making a single false claim. While you may have plausible deniabilty for private conversations (BTW, doesn't been the other half has stayed quiet), your public actions are well known and for that your credibility and reputation speak loud and clear. Your a smart guy, with a vigilante tendency that someone would want on their side.

BHR and jeff, no I have not heard what really went down. Both are keeping hush hush on that but considering their vast differences and styles of conducting business I am surprised they lasted as long as they did.

Here is my point, from the business standpoint. Jeff screwed up with the turbo's, sounds like he is still screwing up but not resolving it. But with the AP's he has been and will likely contunue to sell, ship and tune as advertised.

stinksause

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Currently Jeff is the sole proprietor of protuner for the rx8 as far as I know ... although I believe that PP0 performance has a copy too ... I am sure that if someone approached them for a tune with cash in hand, they would not get turned down


I don't think complaining would really help. I have spoken with Scott on the phone (and complained about Jeff). The fact of the matter is Cobb is set on cutting all support for the rx8 by the end of the year, as they get ready to release Cobb Version 3.


It is a sad time ... however, mebe if rx8club starts a petition? What are your thoughts...

stinksause

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^Sounds like you were stuck between a rock and a hard place

ShellDude

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Here's the type of response you get from well established Rotary tuners (typically) when you ask them about tuning with the AP (this is an actual response I received just yesterday):

Seems it's already dead, stinksause

Flashwing

Sounds like an old guru response to me.

stinksause

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Funny ... I am tuning my Greddy turbo 8 using cobb

Is it not ideal? Yes ... Can it be done reliably? Yes ... Am I happy with what cobb provides at a fraction of the cost of a standalone ... also yes

Shell, I am local to you and I would be more than happy to give you a hand if you need one. As a matter of fact, I plan on being in Hatfield later today.

Disclaimer: I do not intend to turn this into a cobb vs other tuning thread



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d walker

The reason no shop will want to deal with the AP is because of Jeff Abrams. He bragged to me that he was such an awesome tuner and had helped multiple race teams, so I asked. Not one team was ever happy with a MM tuned AP, and the number of people left with a bad taste in their mouth after dealing with him is fairly large. Those people talk to other shop owners etc. and the legend grows. A local Cobb Protuner I have dealt with for years will not tune an AP on an RX8 and in fact will likely not help you at all if you have any issues.
I will be honest here, because of MM I have not and will not recommend BHR at all to any of my customers or any RX8 racers that have approached me for advice. Probably little to no effect, but I believe in honesty. Recently in speaking with my friends at Goopy Performance they had some good things to say about BHR and Charles in particular, so in thinking through it my entire opinion of BHR and its staff was formed based on Jeffs asinine behavior. Charles did the exact right thing by parting ways and stemming the flow before it got too serious, as Jeff was not a good ambassodor for the company.