Bad Guy: XtmesisX
03-28-2008, 09:19 PM
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Bad Guy: XtmesisX
Hate this to be my first bad guy thread, but some people are just that way.
Sold a set of stock wheels to the gentlemen with awareness of severe side rash on one wheel, good amounts of curb rash on another, and two wheels that were virtually free of rash or imperfections. Deal was for 400 (plus 100 shipping). Me justifying that two wheels were worth 250 (125 each), one was 100, and the bad one was 50.
After receiving the wheels that he already had detailed pictures of i suppose he didn't like the condition so requested/demanded i refund half his money because of the condition and slandered that i have poor business practices.
There is much more involved in the story, but to be short and sweet just be wary to sell him less than perfect items. :D
Sold a set of stock wheels to the gentlemen with awareness of severe side rash on one wheel, good amounts of curb rash on another, and two wheels that were virtually free of rash or imperfections. Deal was for 400 (plus 100 shipping). Me justifying that two wheels were worth 250 (125 each), one was 100, and the bad one was 50.
After receiving the wheels that he already had detailed pictures of i suppose he didn't like the condition so requested/demanded i refund half his money because of the condition and slandered that i have poor business practices.
There is much more involved in the story, but to be short and sweet just be wary to sell him less than perfect items. :D
03-28-2008, 10:12 PM
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Very mature.
As I've said many time in our PRIVATE messages, you told me that none of the rims were bent, and I made sure to ask you this TWICE before sending you the money.
You never once gave me a price break down of the wheels, like you state that you did. We discuss that there was some break bad curb rash on the one wheel, but you stated that the rims were not bent.
As soon as I received them, I noticed that one had two bends in it (which you neglected to mention), and after bringing them to my mechanic, I found out that, in total, 3 wheels were bent, two of the them badly, one of them slightly.
The issue is NOT about the curb rash, and you know that, so stop pretending like it is.
The only one PERFORMING LIBEL is YOU. I have made no public declarations about you whatsoever. You, on the other hand, are the one bordering on libel/harassment.
As I've said many time in our PRIVATE messages, you told me that none of the rims were bent, and I made sure to ask you this TWICE before sending you the money.
You never once gave me a price break down of the wheels, like you state that you did. We discuss that there was some break bad curb rash on the one wheel, but you stated that the rims were not bent.
As soon as I received them, I noticed that one had two bends in it (which you neglected to mention), and after bringing them to my mechanic, I found out that, in total, 3 wheels were bent, two of the them badly, one of them slightly.
The issue is NOT about the curb rash, and you know that, so stop pretending like it is.
The only one PERFORMING LIBEL is YOU. I have made no public declarations about you whatsoever. You, on the other hand, are the one bordering on libel/harassment.
Last edited by xtmesisx; 03-28-2008 at 10:36 PM. Reason: it's libel, not slander
03-28-2008, 10:27 PM
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some of the key points of the transaction:
Originally Posted by G3tR3DDY2GR3DDY
here are some pics:
http://s147.photobucket.com/albums/r...%20For%20Sale/
im in NC so shipping shouldnt be too bad... maybe like 20-25 per wheel.
http://s147.photobucket.com/albums/r...%20For%20Sale/
im in NC so shipping shouldnt be too bad... maybe like 20-25 per wheel.
Originally Posted by xtmesisx
just to make sure we're on the same page...
there are no cracks or bends, and the center caps are included??
there are no cracks or bends, and the center caps are included??
Originally Posted by G3tR3DDY2GR3DDY
no cracks or bends, just like i said one wheel has some scratches on the side you would need to repaint. And yes, comes with center caps.
Originally Posted by G3tR3DDY2GR3DDY
oh hey sorry- i didnt see this pm... i can try to get some more pics. The scratches on the one are on like 3 of the faces of the spokes. Here is what im talking about:
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r...SN850383-1.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r...SN850383-1.jpg
I'm not sure if you got my last message, but I just got a call from my mechanic and he said that he put the wheels on the balancer, and 2 are bent pretty bad, 1 has a slight wobble, and 1 is "okay."
I'm going to take the to Wheel Collision (Bath, PA, they have a website, they do some pretty awesome stuff) to get straightened out and what not, so I wondering if you wouldn't mind refunding some money to help cover the cost of the repairs, since I was under the impression there were no bends in the rims.
-Tim
I'm going to take the to Wheel Collision (Bath, PA, they have a website, they do some pretty awesome stuff) to get straightened out and what not, so I wondering if you wouldn't mind refunding some money to help cover the cost of the repairs, since I was under the impression there were no bends in the rims.
-Tim
Originally Posted by G3tR3DDY2GR3DDY
Hey man- all i do is part out cars, ive never actually driven on these wheels and from my eye i cant notice any bends. I dont have any warranty on items as im not a mazda dealership or anything... just a guy with a basement. I can help you find some other wheels to replace those especially the scratched one, but for the price you paid i cant refund any money to make any thing off of them or make it worth the sell. There are a few wheels on here for 130 to 150 in great condition. There are also a set for 1k in great condition. Let me know if you want me to find you two. Thanks
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03-28-2008, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by G3tR3DDY2GR3DDY
Yea im really busy at the moment. i know you think im ignoring you but im not... i do sleep. I dont know what you want me to do about the wheels. I wasnt aware of the bends or else i wouldnt have sold them. Since you found them now, yes im sorry, but i cant just refund every part thats not perfect because none of my parts are perfect. You had pictures of the wheels and could see what i see. I didn't take them to a shop to get balanced because it's not a concern of mine and didnt seem to be a problem. What do you want me to about the situation?
Originally Posted by xtmesisx
I understand that not all of your parts are perfect because you sell used parts. But as a businessman, you should know that you need to accurately describe items that you're selling.
In regards to your statement about "getting them balanced," I'm appalled at your utter lack of concern for your customers. If you're going to sell wheels to ANYONE and say they aren't bent, you better make DAMN SURE that they're not because your reputation relies on it. You cannot just assume they're not bent, especially when one of them had OBVIOUS bends in it, when the wheels are used. Due to your lack of "concern," I'm now stuck with $500 worth of aluminum and 4 18" tires with nothing to put them on (read: stock 17s).
Had you actually looked at the rims, you would have been able to see that there was a problem. By stating that the wheels had "had cracks or bendsperfect except for the scratches," you opened yourself up to a huge liability being that the wheels were used. And I don't even want to get into the fact that the amount of curb rashes contained on the rest of wheels was grossly underestimated, as it's a moot point right now.
But I'm not going to lecture you on business practices/ethics anymore. Basically, I'm looking for you to make this situation right. I'm willing to accept a partial refund of $200 to help fray the cost of fixing the wheels (which won't be able to be driven on safely or without excessive vibration), seeing as how it's more than likely the cost of repair will far exceed the amount of $200. A second option would be a full refund and you get the wheels back.
It's really up to you. I'd prefer the first option, as it would be a lot easier for both of us (probably more so for you than me).
Like I said, I want this to be as equitable as possible for both of us, and I'm simply trying to displace the burden fairly and evenly.
Let me know where you stand.
-Tim
In regards to your statement about "getting them balanced," I'm appalled at your utter lack of concern for your customers. If you're going to sell wheels to ANYONE and say they aren't bent, you better make DAMN SURE that they're not because your reputation relies on it. You cannot just assume they're not bent, especially when one of them had OBVIOUS bends in it, when the wheels are used. Due to your lack of "concern," I'm now stuck with $500 worth of aluminum and 4 18" tires with nothing to put them on (read: stock 17s).
Had you actually looked at the rims, you would have been able to see that there was a problem. By stating that the wheels had "had cracks or bendsperfect except for the scratches," you opened yourself up to a huge liability being that the wheels were used. And I don't even want to get into the fact that the amount of curb rashes contained on the rest of wheels was grossly underestimated, as it's a moot point right now.
But I'm not going to lecture you on business practices/ethics anymore. Basically, I'm looking for you to make this situation right. I'm willing to accept a partial refund of $200 to help fray the cost of fixing the wheels (which won't be able to be driven on safely or without excessive vibration), seeing as how it's more than likely the cost of repair will far exceed the amount of $200. A second option would be a full refund and you get the wheels back.
It's really up to you. I'd prefer the first option, as it would be a lot easier for both of us (probably more so for you than me).
Like I said, I want this to be as equitable as possible for both of us, and I'm simply trying to displace the burden fairly and evenly.
Let me know where you stand.
-Tim
Originally Posted by G3tR3DDY2GR3DDY
i will refund 150 as one wheel was worth 100 and one was worth 50, other than that i could have been better off just selling the two perfect wheels for 300 plus shipping which would have been easier.
Originally Posted by G3tR3DDY2GR3DDY
dude if you wanted absolute perfect wheels then go to mazda and pay 430 each for them, im not here to hear your sad college student stories. Im a college student myself so dont worry, i understand. I am in fact tempted now to not refund you at all just because of your poor attitude. And for the harsh comments, the refund will come in a few days. Legal actions are non-existant as you paid for wheels, which i shipped. Paypal is no longer involved. Trying to justify your repair costs once again has nothing to do with the transaction as the deal was never to get a full set of perfect "no rash whatsoever" wheels so it was already assumed the repairs by you or to just live with it like most people. Expect either a 150.00 refund sometime in a few days or if you have further comments expect none. Thanks
03-28-2008, 10:47 PM
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Patrick, as one who is presenting himself as a business professional you have a legal obligation to your customer. It's called the Law of Merchantibility(IIRC off the top of my head). What it means is that since you are not a one-time seller of parts but, in-fact, a "professional" merchant your obligations go far above and beyond that of the average shadetree seller. Beware of that lest somebody schools you the hard way on it.
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03-28-2008, 11:00 PM
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Not cool, G3tR3DDY, very bad form indeed.
I've been around these boards for a while, so I'm not just here defending a fellow 6-driver.
It's a pretty simple case. You said the wheels were not bent. They are. Paypal's Buyer Protection Policy actually does come into effect here if items were misrepresented. So yes, Nemesis does have a means to seek redress for this.
This is showing a very bad representation from a sister forum. There is also a great deal of immaturity showing in your messages and how you spring to create this thread.
Mods, can this be turned into a bad seller thread?
I've been around these boards for a while, so I'm not just here defending a fellow 6-driver.
It's a pretty simple case. You said the wheels were not bent. They are. Paypal's Buyer Protection Policy actually does come into effect here if items were misrepresented. So yes, Nemesis does have a means to seek redress for this.
This is showing a very bad representation from a sister forum. There is also a great deal of immaturity showing in your messages and how you spring to create this thread.
Mods, can this be turned into a bad seller thread?
03-28-2008, 11:07 PM
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Patrick, as one who is presenting himself as a business professional you have a legal obligation to your customer. It's called the Law of Merchantibility(IIRC off the top of my head). What it means is that since you are not a one-time seller of parts but, in-fact, a "professional" merchant your obligations go far above and beyond that of the average shadetree seller. Beware of that lest somebody school you the hard way on it.
I offer a 150 dollar refund for the two bad wheels (value of them) and yet he still complains and harasses. It's really only a bad situation because he chose it to be. I was just warning others who aren't up to the task of putting up with it. There is no further concern on the transaction and this thread was not a "he didnt pay" or "he ripped me off" cause, just a warning of my personal experiences.
03-28-2008, 11:12 PM
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Thanks Ray! Fortunately he chose to post all the PM's that were relative in making me look like an *** :D
I offer a 150 dollar refund for the two bad wheels (value of them) and yet he still complains and harasses. It's really only a bad situation because he chose it to be. I was just warning others who aren't up to the task of putting up with it. There is no further concern on the transaction and this thread was not a "he didnt pay" or "he ripped me off" cause, just a warning of my personal experiences.
I offer a 150 dollar refund for the two bad wheels (value of them) and yet he still complains and harasses. It's really only a bad situation because he chose it to be. I was just warning others who aren't up to the task of putting up with it. There is no further concern on the transaction and this thread was not a "he didnt pay" or "he ripped me off" cause, just a warning of my personal experiences.
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03-28-2008, 11:17 PM
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well im not trying to argue. i guess he is. im going to delete the thread soon.
keep it to PRIVATE messages if you want to argue and slander people i suppose. As far as i could tell the rims were not bent. Im sorry that they actually were when put on a balance machine. Thats why im issuing a refund. Is there any further problem??
I dont even know any other action i can take to correct the problem so if someone knows something please tell me. Otherwise its just going to be constant posting of my PM's to this guy...
keep it to PRIVATE messages if you want to argue and slander people i suppose. As far as i could tell the rims were not bent. Im sorry that they actually were when put on a balance machine. Thats why im issuing a refund. Is there any further problem??
I dont even know any other action i can take to correct the problem so if someone knows something please tell me. Otherwise its just going to be constant posting of my PM's to this guy...
03-28-2008, 11:19 PM
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I am not choosing sides, gentlemen, I am just throwing in what I know about law, proper business, and communication between people. Whatever the deal is I hope you guys can work it out in a manner that is fair and equitable. You both are cool with me.
03-28-2008, 11:21 PM
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Wow, Talk about some shady crap on your part G3tR3DDY2GR3DDY.
It's doesn't even sound like it's about rash, Nor has XtmesisX ever once said it was about that in his posts.
It's sounds more like it's about the fact that you specifically told him "no cracks or bends,"
I mean.. to specifically go out of your way to say that means you where leaving the impression that you knew for a fact.
Otherwise you would have said "from looking they appear fine but I can't promise you that". So it's obvious you just altered the truth to make sure the sale was still made.
I think the title should be changed to "Bad Guy: G3tR3DDY2GR3DDY" instead, after reading your thread about XtmesisX since it's obvious he is the victim of some extremely shady business practices on your part.
It's probably not even about the refund. I mean you just called this guy out and said he was a bad person because you messed up.. XtmesisX did nothing wrong in the slightest.
It's doesn't even sound like it's about rash, Nor has XtmesisX ever once said it was about that in his posts.
It's sounds more like it's about the fact that you specifically told him "no cracks or bends,"
I mean.. to specifically go out of your way to say that means you where leaving the impression that you knew for a fact.
Otherwise you would have said "from looking they appear fine but I can't promise you that". So it's obvious you just altered the truth to make sure the sale was still made.
I think the title should be changed to "Bad Guy: G3tR3DDY2GR3DDY" instead, after reading your thread about XtmesisX since it's obvious he is the victim of some extremely shady business practices on your part.
It's probably not even about the refund. I mean you just called this guy out and said he was a bad person because you messed up.. XtmesisX did nothing wrong in the slightest.
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03-28-2008, 11:23 PM
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well im not trying to argue. i guess he is. im going to delete the thread soon.
keep it to PRIVATE messages if you want to argue and slander people i suppose. As far as i could tell the rims were not bent. Im sorry that they actually were when put on a balance machine. Thats why im issuing a refund. Is there any further problem??
I dont even know any other action i can take to correct the problem so if someone knows something please tell me. Otherwise its just going to be constant posting of my PM's to this guy...
keep it to PRIVATE messages if you want to argue and slander people i suppose. As far as i could tell the rims were not bent. Im sorry that they actually were when put on a balance machine. Thats why im issuing a refund. Is there any further problem??
I dont even know any other action i can take to correct the problem so if someone knows something please tell me. Otherwise its just going to be constant posting of my PM's to this guy...
so now i'm not allowed to defend myself against libel??
03-28-2008, 11:25 PM
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http://geocities.com/xtmesisx/privat...sitiveinfo.txt
^ all of the PM's i've EVER sent on the rx8club.com, edited only to remove sensitive information about myself and patrick
^ all of the PM's i've EVER sent on the rx8club.com, edited only to remove sensitive information about myself and patrick
03-28-2008, 11:29 PM
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If there were some angry PM's from the buyer, they were probably justified. He received parts that were not as they were stated to be, and you responded with apathy and offered to sell him MORE wheels.
This is not about his refund. It's about your attitude and the poor way you handled the whole situation.
You wouldn't have an angry customer if you had handled this properly the first time you heard there was a problem with your product. Period.
This is not about his refund. It's about your attitude and the poor way you handled the whole situation.
You wouldn't have an angry customer if you had handled this properly the first time you heard there was a problem with your product. Period.
03-28-2008, 11:29 PM
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Patrick, I considered how I communicate with my customers long before I decided to jump in and post my opinion. I am willing to bet that any of my customers can pull anything I have ever written them, even a simple paragraph, and nothing I have ever said could be used to make me look foolish. The point is that those are your own words and, context or not, you wrote them. Situations such as these are the responsibilities we have when we serve the public for our livings.
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Sigh... and this is why i rarely do business with people on car forums. Horrible for my 1st post as an RX-8 owner to be about G3tR3DDY2GR3DDY questionable (to put it nicely) business ethics.
A couple things here...
WTF were you thinking when you posted this? You wanted sympathy? A hug and a high-five? THIS WAS YOUR ERROR, not XTMESISX
Are you a vendor for this forum? If so i might end with this ONE POST, and find another forum to go to.
A couple things here...
WTF were you thinking when you posted this? You wanted sympathy? A hug and a high-five? THIS WAS YOUR ERROR, not XTMESISX
Are you a vendor for this forum? If so i might end with this ONE POST, and find another forum to go to.
03-28-2008, 11:33 PM
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Patrick, I considered how I communicate with my customers long before I decided to jump in and post my opinion. I am willing to bet that any of my customers can pull anything I have ever written them, even a simple paragraph, and nothing I have ever said could be used to make me look foolish. The point is that those are your own words and, context or not, you wrote them. Situations such as these are the responsibilities we have when we serve the public for our livings.
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