nycgps

iTrader: (1)

did you say "nascar" ? ROFL

I dont like it either, going around in oval is too much fun for me

bse50

I already said that

alfy28

you know i am starting to think you are Pro Ferrari all the way. i guess where you live explains this. At first i thougth your post in F1 thread where just a blind ferrari fanboy just posting nonsense. but after this post, i am starting to think you really believe in what you are posting.

I only lived in the US for 10 years, and i can honestly say that not all Americans love nascar.


In fact y our precious little ferrari has beeen getting owned by Flying Lizard ( a porche team) Compu Serve ( corvette team) in the American Lemans series. and guess what????? the tracks they are on is not a Oval track.

i know that it must hurt you very much that a Non ferrari driver won the F1 championships and a Non ferrari GT team is owning them in the American Lemans Series. So if you ever need a box of tissues, please let me know. i dont mind mailing you one.



btw 599 = sex

have a good day

bse50

Uhm...
you should also know that Ferrari, as i already stated, spends too much in F1 leaving many other teams on their own.
I'm not a fanboy, even if i own a pre-FIAT era one.
The problems involved in having a ferrari is mostly knowing what you have and being mad\able enough to pay the double of the price for some minimal detail.
Speaking about racing though is nonsense because you don't race stock cars and everything depends on your budget. Look at speedsource's rx8...

JRichter

I caught that afterwards but of all the international automotive programming I download and watch, I gather that it is still commonly misconceived that all American automotive enthusiasts are Nascar fans and know little else about competitive motorsports. So any opportunity to clear that up is always taken.

alfy28

News flash, all the other ALMS teams pretty much spend their own money on devopling their cars.


As for your comment about Speedsource. i must agree with you , Speed Source>>>>>>>>>>>> the only ferrari team in the series so you can make all the excuses you want that helps you sleep better at night ( Bu bu but the mazda is using a 3 rotor). but still doesnt change the fact that the Vette and Porche is >>>>>> the ferrari int he ALMS series. .















btw dont take my post serioulsy just love a good debate.

alfy28

Also like ot add JGTC doesnt use Stock, German DM series doesnt use Stock. so what was your point of speedsource?

bse50

At least you have big roads for big useless SUVs! We have big automatic suvs fighting again mercedes' smarts on roads that are about 2,5mt large per lane...
This is the real problem in the end, not a good fight between sports car!
You're right in saying that ferrari sucks in competition, and not only in Alms (but rule the gt2 fia class...)! problems started way back with the 333sp car that raced in lemans!

My point is that having rules that allow modifications (jgtc among others) it's not a fair comparison between the factory models

MyRXdrug

ZR-1 = 620hp, 595 lb ft $103,970
http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-corvette-zr1.html

599 = 620 hp SAE, 448 ft lb $264,034
http://www.automotive.com/2007/12/fe...ons/index.html

GT2 = 530bhp, 505 ft lb $191,700
http://www.rsportscars.com/porsche/2...rsche-911-gt2/

GTR = 480hp, 430 ft lb $76,840
http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-gt-r.html

alfy28

yah My Aston martin team has been getting owned left and right i need a box of tissues


as factory models vs Factory models. they do use that Koni series which is prettty cool to watch when i dont have anything else to do. but as for not having a modifaction rul in the other series. i think its cool, it allows us to see what these companies are able to do with their engines with less restrictions.

JRichter

...and the fact is that none of these cars will ever be cross shopped and none of them are really comparable with each other when everything (not just speed) that makes a car desirable is considered. If I had to drive one of these cars for a year free of charge and couldn't sell it the 599 would be a no-brainer for me.

bse50

I completely agree with you. Racing is what brings out development but a comparison between modified car is no longer a comparison for their stock sisters!
It's funny to see how long this debate is going on from my first statement that was focused on how useless is a drag comparison between cars

tibyABv6

i bet Gt-r voided its warranty

Why bring GT-R?, it is well known that Z06 with intake and exhaust beats it no problem. * to show how badly it will get raped by others more powerfull cars*

MyRXdrug

I think the new ZR-1 will push the super/exotic car makers to up their game. Nissan is doing their own thing in the $70,000-$80,000 market. Can anyone in that price range touch them when it comes to overall performance? I wonder how all these cars would do on a technical, yet fast track? We've seen the GT-R and ZR-1 on the ring (Nürburgring).

I would've liked to of seen the Mercedes SLR McLaren and the new Audi R8.

SLR = 617 HP SAE, 575 ft lb $495,000
http://www.automotive.com/2009/99/me...339/index.html

Audi R8 = 420hp, 317 ft lb $123,300
http://www.automotive.com/2009/99/au...313/index.html

alfy28

lol yah. btw any way you can buy me a Alfa Romeo 8c spider . ill pay you back i promise thanks

bse50

That maserati sucks, what if i buy you an mc-12?
Anyway speaking about cars apparently we have 2 sides: computers on wheels such as the gt-r and cars such as the zr-1 and the gt-2. I don't like stock porsches because of their kind of engine mount (dunno how you call it..) that makes them prone to oversteering, you have to have very big guts to drive them fast!
Now i'm saving money for another kind of "super"car such as the exige s240 or caterham csr to replace my rx8 in the future

DailyDriver2k5

Bse50...stock vs stock , there is no Ferrari on this planet, besides the Enzo that can even come close to a Corvette ZR-1. Sorry!

Like I said before , I love Ferrari's as the next guy, but in the performance catergory there not hanging with a ZR-1, sorry. They can barely hang with a Z-06....

Not on a strait road,air strip, short course, long course, oval,street course,etc.
Its just not happening until Ferrari designs a ZR-1 fighter.

bse50

...and i should be the fanboy...

devildog1679

I do believe the ZR-1 has the fastest ring time (beats Enzo). That should show it's a better handler then the 599 which has roughly the same power to weight ratio. On the other hand the GTR shows it is a much better handler due to it's ring time and worse power to weight ratio.

bse50

Ferrari hasn't got official 'ring times and nurburgring doesn't mean much.
There are very cold months, rain (it affects the circuit for weeks) etc that make any time indicative. A 1-10-20 lap comparison on other tracks make during the same day would be a better benchmark imho

MyRXdrug

Well there is more to power to weight ratio than meets the eye. That number is very deceiving.

devildog1679

True but the GTR has 140 less HP, 165 less torque, and weighs about 400 pounds more. It postes a ring time of just a few seconds less then the ZR-1, I think that proves it's a better handling car.

Rotary Mike

No, it doesn't prove it is a better handling car per say. Rather it proves it has a very sophisticated AWD system that controls each wheel independantly. This helps greatly to keep the power down in the corners.

DailyDriver2k5

There is no fan boy in me, stating the facts. I am a car enthusiast and the facts show that there are no Ferrari besides the Enzo that can hang, sorry.

As a car enthusiast, I like all cars , some more than others, that doesn't qualify me as a fanboy. In my list of cars from civil sports cars as the RX-8 to the demon Reventon,to the eye popping Mazda Furai , I know that there are cars that are going to dominate other cars from the first stroke of the pen that hits the design paper, some cars are destined born winners from concept.

And that winner was the ZR-1 from Chevy. The best bang for your buck exotic borderline hyper car performance without the hypercar looks.

devildog1679

Everything about a car contributes to it's handling ability, from it's weight, chassis, suspension and driveline. So doesn't that make it a better handling car, being that the sum of all it's parts enables it to accomplish something a lighter more powerful car can't. I'll be the first to admit I don't know much about cars but am I wrong?