JRichter

Anyone have any ideas when the V-spec is supposed to launch? I thought it was close but haven't hear anything in a while.

devildog1679

So you think it's reasonable to claim a car can do X and X on the track but then tell you that if you turn off VDC you lose your warranty? I don't think that is reasonable at all. Lets say the new RX-8 comes with a nitrous bottle but Mazda tells you that if you use it your warranty is void, is that reasonable? I think not, it's the same thing Nissan is doing, they are offering a feature and saying that if you use it, there goes your warranty. They are attracting all these buyers with it's awesome #'s but worn you that if you do the same thing your car is void. Why even offer the launch control feature then? Plain BS in my book. Their ring time should be done with VDC on not off, post them numbers. The manual says "Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control(VDC) off" that means that you don't have to break something to void your warranty. **** you could use it one time, and then byebye warranty. That seems very unreasonable.

Don't get me wrong I praise them for the great car they built, I would be proud to own one. I just think their whole marketing theme is deceptive. I can honestly say that because of that whole VDC issue if I had the money to buy one I wouldn't, I'll rather spend my money on the M3. Maybe they should have done more R&D on the tranny or just eliminate the launch control feature all together.

nycgps

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totally different.

with VDC off that does not mean u're warranty will "automatically" be gone. Its just like any other auto maker. I believe Mazda can void your warranty too if they found out that you turn your DSC off completely and break something.

GT-R's ECU has a lot of recording, so what it does is that it actually store a record of what were you doing with the VDC off. So if something big like tranny breaks, Nissan will get that data out of your ECU and they can tell what actually happened. Its pretty easy to tell if u turn it off just to get out of snow/mud or u were racing.

This car can do X and X does not mean you should bring it up to a track and abuse the crap out of it. Thats not what a street car meant for. Remember under normal driving condition, there is no reason to turn VDC off/no reason to use LC.

Everybody just get a GT-R, Break the Tranny, let them deny the warranty and file a class action lawsuit against Nissan, Big money right there

devildog1679

Actually Mazda would not be able to void your warranty if DSC was off and you broke something. Why is that? Simple, it's not stated that it needs to be on at all times, unlike the GTR manual which clearly states it must be on.

I have nothing against Nissan or any other manufacture voiding a warranty for misuse and abuse. My issue with Nissan is that they built a car with a specific feature (LC), which you must admit only has one real world application and that is drag racing. Why else would you need to do a 4K+ RPM launch? So they built it into the car and now they say you can't use it? That makes no sense? I say just get rid of that feature, the only reason they void the warranty with VDC off is that the launch control feature puts to much stress on the tranny. Regular track use should not affect it, it's the 4K+ RPM launches that they worry about. As far as I know they are the only manufacture to offered a specific feature on a car but tells you that if you use it and something breaks your on your own.

Icemark

Actually no, you are wrong. The GT-R can go to the track and be fine. You just need to take it back into the authorized GT-R dealer and have them check out the car within 500 miles (or maybe it is 1000 miles- I don't have the manual with me) of the track outing.

Same thing for changing out parts. Aftermarket parts (such as a new exhaust) need to be certified by a GT-R dealer that they are acceptable for use on the car or your warranty is again excluded. NOT VOIDED.

kinda of a fucked up thing for someone to say that; when they refuse to believe what is printed, and on the net, and in the real world... just because they don't want to believe... or it is not that way in a Video Game that they have played.

Icemark

See that is a Miss-conception. LC (or Launch Control) is an Easter egg feature. It is not a advertised feature, it is not even talked about in the owners manual.

It is a fail safe feature, hidden in the software that kicks in when you disable the VDC. It is not a specific feature that they have published or even talked about for any North American Spec GT-R.

Why??? Because it can damage the transmission if used too aggressively.

It would be different if Nissan said," list of features: VDC, ABS, LC, PS, BJ ..." but they don't.

Think of it sorta like that old feature hidden in Microsoft Excel 2.0 that when you hit a certain combination of key strokes it popped up a 3d world that you could fly through and see all the software nerds names written on the sides of hills. Never advertised, never publicized... just hidden in the software, and unlocked by some computer geek playing around. Launch Control on the GT-R is the same way.

I wouldn't be surprised if they do a software patch in the future that disables LC on North American GT-Rs all together, just because of the bad publicity by people that can't or haven't read the owners manuals.

playdoh43

nope, nothing to do with video game, you already got pwned
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/13/n...ond-video-and/
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/09/n...hurt-yourself/

and the lying part is the part where you claimed you been to nurburging and seen for your self that standing start is the standard for the runs, and unable to provide video proofs when all the other videos are contrary to your claim so no, stop lying, you have never been to nurburgring or witness these runs first person. you are a liar.

Icemark

I am not going to get in an argument again with some idiot on the internet that has probably never even left his mom's home and talks about how it is not that way in a video game he played.

playdoh43

what part of my argument has anything to do with video games lol? so you got pwned and got caught for lying about having been to Nurburgring in person to witness runs and left the forum for a while. Its ok, welcome back.

At least I agree with you on this current topic that Nissan's policy is lame.

dont get frustrated buddy

devildog1679

Your right. I just read the whole manual and they don't even mention it. I guess I don't have an issue with them anymore Though I'm sure they new it could that. How does LC get activated exactly? I've just seen video.

alfy28

Launch control to Major Tom Launch control to Major Tom:
Take your protein pills and put your helmet on
Launch control to Major Tom: Commencing countdown engine's on
Check ig-nition and may God's love be with you

This is launch control to Major Tom, you've really made the grade!
And the papers want to know whose shirts you wear,
Now it's time to leave the capsule if you dare

This is Major Tom to Launch con-trol, I'm stepping through the door
And I'm floating in the most peculiar way
And the stars look very difeerent today

For here am I sitting in a tin can, far above the world
Planet Earth is blue and there's nothing I can do

playdoh43

The transmission and damping switches must both be set to the R mode and the VDC must be switched off completely by holding the VDC-R button down for a few seconds.

this is lame on nissan's part because officially from a legal standpoint they can void your warranty if you use the launch control. Nissan deserve all the negative pub for doing this.

but they are also not that strict on it, my friend has a GT-R (i posted pics of his gt-r before on this forum), he has used the LC system before and his dealership assured him that they wont be voiding his warranty unless they find that he abused the car. and so far, I am not aware of any story on the net where someone's warranty got voided simply for turning off VDC without abusing the car.

Icemark

Never left the forum, put you on ignore...looks like I need to do it again since you keep making up crap that you know nothing about.

See again you are showing how you like to make stuff up (I guess make yourself feel better?).

I never said anything about Nissan's policy is lame. How can you agree with something I have never said? I have no issue with their policies what so ever. I don't own one of their cars and have ripped enough Nissan's apart to know that I will never ever own another one. So what do i care about their policy? Big zero is how much.

And this thread is so far off topic right now it embarrasses me to think I am replying to your comments.

I do care about people that post inaccuracies (such as you have done multiple times) as well as others have with such things as that the warranty is voided on those cars and Launch control on that car. Clearly wrong, clearly mistaken. Clearly just repeating what they have seen or heard or read on the internet and then putting their own comments too it... instead of experiencing it themselves in the real world.

sorry, not frustrated.. just tried of seeing your boyfriends picture as your avatar and your comments. So once again you should feel happy that you have disgusted me to the point I am not replying to your comments any more after this.

playdoh43

lol this is my own picture buddy.

but yeah, as long as you are not furstrated. then cool cause you sure sound frustrated I misunderstood you this time.

but speaking of inaccuracies you never responded in that thread, you still got pwned by the links i posted
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/13/n...ond-video-and/
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/09/n...hurt-yourself/

and you got caught lying about having been to nurburgring your self. you are just ignoring that topic now and resorting to insults instead of arguing, which is fine. but I certainly wouldnt mind if you feel like you are right and disprove the 2 links I posted earlier and prove that you have been to nurburging in person and witnessed that standing start is the standard over there like you claimed instead of resorting to calling me names and making stuff up about video games which have nothing to do with anything I said.

playdoh43

I guess he is gone .. shrug,
sorry for the off topic stuff,

ZR-1 deserve all the props its been getting because its a a heck of a car.

tibyABv6

Summery: your warranty will not be voided from turning of VDC if your car still drives, but if you brake trany it will not be covered under warranty because of clever loop hole they put in paperwork . ...

Elara

Feel free to disagree- however, please be polite about it.

lone_wolf025

So after a bit of web surfing and a lot of reading I have to say that while the GTR (from a stat perspective) is a very nice vehicle. However, I do feel its kinda screwy all this stuff with the warranty. Granted, if someone blows their tranny by "abuse" I don't believe Nissan should be held accountable. What's wrong in my opinion is that in order to get what is advertised out of the car, one must potentially void their warranty.

The other point, while granted is still subject to debate, is the issue of transmission reliability.

All these things put together leaves me to form my personal opinion, that while Nissan has built a hell of a vehicle, it seems they have stretched their technology to the limit. Thus, in an attempt to cover their rears, have added all these stipulations in order to keep their "supercar" status, and limit their costs when something fails by washing their hands of it. They can say its the customer's fault for "abusing" the vehicle and sidestep the VDC and tranny issue.

nycgps

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Im still sure that if you turn ur DSC completely off (7 seconds rule) then you mess something up say, ur tranny. Im PRETTY SURE that Mazda will not cover it. You dont even need to sign any waiver or whatever.

DSC Completely off is not an advertise feature.

like the others have said, to get to use LC, you have to put everything on R (racing) mode AND vdc off to get that thing to work.

So tell me this, under "normal" driving conditions. do you need to turn to R mode and VDC off ?

devildog1679

I agree 100%

JRichter

Not relative to thread title but relative to thread discussion...

Report: Nissan to remove launch control for 2010 ‘Series II’ GT-R

http://www.motorauthority.com/report...-for-2009.html

The Nissan GT-R has finally filtered its way into the retail channels of most global markets, with a fair number of customer cars on the streets. But just as those owners are getting familiar with their cars, Nissan appears to be working on a slightly revised and upgraded version for sale in 2009, tentatively dubbed the Series II.

While most of the changes will be minimal, consisting of a few minor cosmetic and powertrain changes, Edmunds is reporting that a high-ranking Nissan exec confirmed the updated car would lose the current version’s launch control system.

Following a number of unsubstantiated reports that the launch control system is frying the trick dual-clutch gearbox, the exec said it will be gone for the 2010 update. "We just don't want to deal with the warranty nightmare anymore. It'll make the 2009 GT-R really special. It'll be the only R35 with launch control."

With the launch control activated, some reviewers managed to get the 0-60mph acceleration time for the GT-R as low as 3.3 seconds, however without it, the times usually fall around the four second mark.

As for the rest of the changes, power is set to increase by 5hp to 478hp (356kW), the Brembo brakes will be changed to show Nissan badges, the front license plate mount will be removed, the fuel tank will increase by 0.75 gallons (2.8L) to hold 19.5 gallons (73.8L), and fuel economy figures will be readjusted, up from 19.3mpg (12.2L/100km) to 20.0mpg (11.7L/100km). A slight change in the white paint color will add the 'White Storm' title and a more metallic look to the exterior of cars that choose it. This color will also be shared with the Nissan 370Z, due to be revealed in two days at the L.A. Auto Show.

Pricing is expected to increase by nearly 10% in the Japanese market, up ¥840,000 ($8,736) for the base model and ¥892,500 ($9,282) for the Premium and Black edition models. Other features, including the pricing of the Ultimate Silver paint option will increase slightly in price, while the wheel color is expected to change and the Ivory Pearl White paint option will no longer be offered. The Black edition cars will also get a change to Dunlop tires as standard, with the Bridgestones offered on other models as an option.