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Would You Pay $7K for An Extra 110-125HP?
06-25-2007, 02:38 PM
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i wouldnt, 7000 can go a long way toward purchasing your next car.
06-25-2007, 02:55 PM
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A vacation or two could be nice or a motorcycle/jetski/ATV could provide some long lasting different entertainment. (assuming you like motorcycles or have water by you)
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06-25-2007, 06:33 PM
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Tigger, If you have that kinda play money then by all means play with it!! I know your not a moron so if everything else is all set with suspension and stuff then by all means slap a blower on that bitch!!
06-25-2007, 07:41 PM
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Thanks for the comments folks. Keep 'em coming.
The $7k is just an estimate. SC plus install,tuning and any extra odds and ends needed. So I don't think I'm too far off on that figure.
And yes I am modifying the suspension.Some parts have already been ordered. The complete upgrade would be done prior to any SC install.
My options are still open as far as mods. I'm still considering maybe a cam,heads,headers etc. and even nitro.
The GTO is not a daily driver. Neither was the 8. . only has a little over 10,000 miles on it now. Put 9000 miles on it in 10 months of ownership.
It's more of a toy. Just something to play around with,enjoy and just have fun dammit.
The $7k is just an estimate. SC plus install,tuning and any extra odds and ends needed. So I don't think I'm too far off on that figure.
And yes I am modifying the suspension.Some parts have already been ordered. The complete upgrade would be done prior to any SC install.
My options are still open as far as mods. I'm still considering maybe a cam,heads,headers etc. and even nitro.
The GTO is not a daily driver. Neither was the 8. . only has a little over 10,000 miles on it now. Put 9000 miles on it in 10 months of ownership.
It's more of a toy. Just something to play around with,enjoy and just have fun dammit.
06-25-2007, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
$7,000, eh? Awesome. Many, many different ways to go...
You could make that 100-125rwhp power NA.
Cam, heads, headers, tune...
It will have a good bit of lope at idle, but it would be very reliable. $7K would buy a quality setup and a good tune.
You could supercharge it and have it as a daily driver. Hell, one of the guys here in Austin put over 80,000 miles on a GTO with a pullied Maggie, and finally broke it. But, he was pushing it way over 475rwhp. You can make more power with the Procharger, but you'll pay for it in less torque, less reliability.
If you just want to play with it, and have occassional fun for when you run into a C5 ZO6 or a pullied Cobra, nitrous is the way to go. Won't impact how it drives at all. That's what I'm doing, and the cost is much, much lower. You could get a very nice 150 wet shot setup, with all the safety electronics, gadgets, and trimmings for about $1200.
My buddy just installed an APS twin turbo system in his GTO. I get to ride in it tomorrow. It's his daily driver as well. The tune is very conservative at this point, so he's only making about 500-520rwhp. We'll find out for sure at the next dyno day. It's going to be a lot more than $7000 once you include all the incidentals and the labor to do the turbos.
You could make that 100-125rwhp power NA.
Cam, heads, headers, tune...
It will have a good bit of lope at idle, but it would be very reliable. $7K would buy a quality setup and a good tune.
You could supercharge it and have it as a daily driver. Hell, one of the guys here in Austin put over 80,000 miles on a GTO with a pullied Maggie, and finally broke it. But, he was pushing it way over 475rwhp. You can make more power with the Procharger, but you'll pay for it in less torque, less reliability.
If you just want to play with it, and have occassional fun for when you run into a C5 ZO6 or a pullied Cobra, nitrous is the way to go. Won't impact how it drives at all. That's what I'm doing, and the cost is much, much lower. You could get a very nice 150 wet shot setup, with all the safety electronics, gadgets, and trimmings for about $1200.
My buddy just installed an APS twin turbo system in his GTO. I get to ride in it tomorrow. It's his daily driver as well. The tune is very conservative at this point, so he's only making about 500-520rwhp. We'll find out for sure at the next dyno day. It's going to be a lot more than $7000 once you include all the incidentals and the labor to do the turbos.
We gotta talk.
I 'll send you a PM in a couple days or so.
06-25-2007, 07:45 PM
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06-25-2007, 07:49 PM
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It's a Cavalier
The thing is, I would only supercharge if it was definitely GOING TO BE my daily driver. The supercharger is more expensive in dollar per horsepower, but is more reliable and very streetable.
If it's going to be a garage queen, throw a monster single turbo STS kit on it with the supporting fuel system, and blow the street tires off it in 3rd and 4th gear.
As inspiration for a turbo, here's one running a 10.68@129, but it does have a built stock cube 346
http://www.cartek.net/videos/ken1068.wmv
Need to know which supercharger you're looking at, tigger!
If it's going to be a garage queen, throw a monster single turbo STS kit on it with the supporting fuel system, and blow the street tires off it in 3rd and 4th gear.
As inspiration for a turbo, here's one running a 10.68@129, but it does have a built stock cube 346
http://www.cartek.net/videos/ken1068.wmv
Need to know which supercharger you're looking at, tigger!
06-25-2007, 07:52 PM
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06-25-2007, 09:31 PM
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It's a Cavalier
tigger, are you getting any traction as is right now? My coworker has an 05 with LT headers, full stainless 3in exhaust, short-throw shifter, Nitto DR's & dyno tune and he wheel hops like a SOB. If you are having similar traction issues than a s/c is only going to exaggerate that problem. I suggest suspension mods and 1-pc driveshaft first. If you already have the suspension mods than maybe you'd be better off with some other bolt-on's (heads, cam, LT headers, etc)
Coming from a Mustang guy, $7K for 125hp is not very good.....we can get twice that for $5K (of course then the lower-end is gonna need some attention). The LS2 reacts better to heads and cam than it does to FI.
Either way it will be fun to throw $7K at your car in mods no matter what you choose.
Coming from a Mustang guy, $7K for 125hp is not very good.....we can get twice that for $5K (of course then the lower-end is gonna need some attention). The LS2 reacts better to heads and cam than it does to FI.
Either way it will be fun to throw $7K at your car in mods no matter what you choose.
I'd say the LS2 has proven it handles FI very well. There are a multitude of successful supercharger, nitrous and turbo kits from various vendors/manufacturers available. It's all in the tuning and getting it enough fuel. A stock internals LS2 is capable of 700+ whp. I've seen it.
06-25-2007, 10:00 PM
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It's a Cavalier
They're expensive!!! But they do have a warranty of 3 year 36,000 miles.
Here's an example package for the GTO priced more than what Tigger is wanting to spend...
http://www.lingenfelter.com/ls2gtoscic.htm
They're measuring in crank hp/torque, but it translates to ~460-465rwhp.
I think you can do a lot better finding a reputable local shop and shopping around for the kit yourself.
Here's an example package for the GTO priced more than what Tigger is wanting to spend...
http://www.lingenfelter.com/ls2gtoscic.htm
They're measuring in crank hp/torque, but it translates to ~460-465rwhp.
I think you can do a lot better finding a reputable local shop and shopping around for the kit yourself.
06-26-2007, 02:05 AM
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They're expensive!!! But they do have a warranty of 3 year 36,000 miles.
Here's an example package for the GTO priced more than what Tigger is wanting to spend...
http://www.lingenfelter.com/ls2gtoscic.htm
They're measuring in crank hp/torque, but it translates to ~460-465rwhp.
I think you can do a lot better finding a reputable local shop and shopping around for the kit yourself.
Here's an example package for the GTO priced more than what Tigger is wanting to spend...
http://www.lingenfelter.com/ls2gtoscic.htm
They're measuring in crank hp/torque, but it translates to ~460-465rwhp.
I think you can do a lot better finding a reputable local shop and shopping around for the kit yourself.
06-26-2007, 09:49 AM
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Hey man. Good stuff... but here's the problem. Believe it or not, your GTO friend might not have ENOUGH power. Just like the IRS Terminator Cobras, you can induce diff shattering wheel hop with the right combination of tire and horsepower (I know this all too well, BELIEVE me). With LTs, catback and tune, he's probably putting down about 370-380hp to the wheels. Add the Nitto DR's and that's a combination that's going to wheel hop like a ****. A diff cover/brace and a one piece driveshaft will help, but that's not going to eliminate it. Getting a good launch and being able to throttle around the wheel hop is what will.
I would agree......but other engines like FI better......or I should say react better to FI for less money. From my experience with both Ford and GM, the Ford modular engine was made for FI while the LS engines react much better to tradional mods (cams, heads, headers, etc). To me spending $7K for 100-125 hp is not a good value. You could easily get that in cam, heads and headers for less money. A $7K blower on my Mustang would mean a gain of a least 200hp easy....yet heads and cams for the modular are a waste of money.
Now, if you can get 200hp+ out of a blower on the LS2 for $7K....then that's a better deal IMO.
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06-26-2007, 01:52 PM
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The GTO is the Holden Monaro. Just LHD and rebadged for Pontiac. There's a whole
subculture of GTO owners in the US rebadging their cars to look like Monaro's.
Crazy huh...
06-26-2007, 01:53 PM
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The thing is, I would only supercharge if it was definitely GOING TO BE my daily driver. The supercharger is more expensive in dollar per horsepower, but is more reliable and very streetable.
If it's going to be a garage queen, throw a monster single turbo STS kit on it with the supporting fuel system, and blow the street tires off it in 3rd and 4th gear.
As inspiration for a turbo, here's one running a 10.68@129, but it does have a built stock cube 346
http://www.cartek.net/videos/ken1068.wmv
Need to know which supercharger you're looking at, tigger!
If it's going to be a garage queen, throw a monster single turbo STS kit on it with the supporting fuel system, and blow the street tires off it in 3rd and 4th gear.
As inspiration for a turbo, here's one running a 10.68@129, but it does have a built stock cube 346
http://www.cartek.net/videos/ken1068.wmv
Need to know which supercharger you're looking at, tigger!
Love the video. I've watched it several times already.
If I go SC I'm leaning towards the MagnaCharger.
06-27-2007, 01:34 AM
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I'd invest in the Boat...err I mean the Goat's suspension before sinking that much into the engine. The 350ci has a bazillion NA mods out there for it before going FI also. Has the engine been maxed out already?
06-27-2007, 06:46 AM
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Yes. And what is even better is you can buy an LSX block which can be bored to over 454ci and still uses all the LS2 attaching parts like heads, intake, exhaust, etc. That LSX block is one baaaad MF.