Why street racing is bad
11-29-2011, 02:47 AM
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12-03-2011, 12:51 PM
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Yeah dude, exactly. Because I'd rather have zero chances of pulling out of it, than swinging that car right back into other cars.
When you've lost control, it's best to just stop the car, than try to save what's already lost. I've tried to save a spin in my Rx8, and ended up doing an entire 360 off the opposite side of the track. Some scenarios you're just not going to save it with throttle, because it's too far gone.
And he, well, he was too far gone. Should've just kept on down that on-ramp, or whatever it was.
When you've lost control, it's best to just stop the car, than try to save what's already lost. I've tried to save a spin in my Rx8, and ended up doing an entire 360 off the opposite side of the track. Some scenarios you're just not going to save it with throttle, because it's too far gone.
And he, well, he was too far gone. Should've just kept on down that on-ramp, or whatever it was.
This statement above though, I really don't agree with. I mean, using your brakes is not always the best thing to do when you lose traction or control. That's driving 101.
If you are trying to say that in your case, or the case of others, if you don't know how to properly gain control then go for the brakes, then yeah I guess if you don't know what else to do.
In general though, it's not always best to use your brakes.
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I'm just reading through this thread. I agree dumb drivers in this video.
This statement above though, I really don't agree with. I mean, using your brakes is not always the best thing to do when you lose traction or control. That's driving 101.
If you are trying to say that in your case, or the case of others, if you don't know how to properly gain control then go for the brakes, then yeah I guess if you don't know what else to do.
In general though, it's not always best to use your brakes.
This statement above though, I really don't agree with. I mean, using your brakes is not always the best thing to do when you lose traction or control. That's driving 101.
If you are trying to say that in your case, or the case of others, if you don't know how to properly gain control then go for the brakes, then yeah I guess if you don't know what else to do.
In general though, it's not always best to use your brakes.
For example, autocross sessions always start with a driver's meeting that insists that if you start spinning, and can't immediately save it, put both feet in on the brakes. Watch any racing on TV enough, you you will start to find plenty of examples where braking is highly recommended as a method of saving the car once control is lost. Namely, saving it from damage and/or collisions with another car.
For example, if the guy in the video had stood on the brakes, he probably would have missed the other vette. They have quite large rubber contact patches, and telling the tires to resist all motion would have brought his speed down much much faster, and even if he would have ended up in the weeds, he would have avoided a collision with the other vette.
And then there is "how DSC works". It works to correct a spin by applying the brakes.
Agreed "in general" though. If the tail is coming around from a lift-off oversteer or power oversteer, braking isn't going to get the rear back in line.
12-03-2011, 01:18 PM
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"in general" is such a broad statement, so broad as to undermine the whole point.
For example, autocross sessions always start with a driver's meeting that insists that if you start spinning, and can't immediately save it, put both feet in on the brakes. Watch any racing on TV enough, you you will start to find plenty of examples where braking is highly recommended as a method of saving the car once control is lost. Namely, saving it from damage and/or collisions with another car.
For example, if the guy in the video had stood on the brakes, he probably would have missed the other vette. They have quite large rubber contact patches, and telling the tires to resist all motion would have brought his speed down much much faster, and even if he would have ended up in the weeds, he would have avoided a collision with the other vette.
And then there is "how DSC works". It works to correct a spin by applying the brakes.
Agreed "in general" though. If the tail is coming around from a lift-off oversteer or power oversteer, braking isn't going to get the rear back in line.
For example, autocross sessions always start with a driver's meeting that insists that if you start spinning, and can't immediately save it, put both feet in on the brakes. Watch any racing on TV enough, you you will start to find plenty of examples where braking is highly recommended as a method of saving the car once control is lost. Namely, saving it from damage and/or collisions with another car.
For example, if the guy in the video had stood on the brakes, he probably would have missed the other vette. They have quite large rubber contact patches, and telling the tires to resist all motion would have brought his speed down much much faster, and even if he would have ended up in the weeds, he would have avoided a collision with the other vette.
And then there is "how DSC works". It works to correct a spin by applying the brakes.
Agreed "in general" though. If the tail is coming around from a lift-off oversteer or power oversteer, braking isn't going to get the rear back in line.
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