Well done MAZDA in USA Finally #1 for 2020
12-06-2020, 07:28 PM
#26
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^^^ I love BMW inline 6's, great power band, good torque, less complicated than a turbo setup.
Plus, I say it all the time, the average consumer is stupid.
They see 4 cylinder, they think "cheap" Even if it has a turbo on it, they can't get past that.
hard to sell someone on the idea of Premium when the engine is a 4 banger. (even as nice as the 2.5T in my current CX-5 is)
from that perspective, I think it's a great move for Mazda to go that route.
the 4 cylinder will still be around for certain applications (maybe the 3 and lower trim models)
Plus, I say it all the time, the average consumer is stupid.
They see 4 cylinder, they think "cheap" Even if it has a turbo on it, they can't get past that.
hard to sell someone on the idea of Premium when the engine is a 4 banger. (even as nice as the 2.5T in my current CX-5 is)
from that perspective, I think it's a great move for Mazda to go that route.
the 4 cylinder will still be around for certain applications (maybe the 3 and lower trim models)
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kevink0000 (12-08-2020)
12-06-2020, 07:54 PM
#27
Smoking turbo yay
^^^ I love BMW inline 6's, great power band, good torque, less complicated than a turbo setup.
Plus, I say it all the time, the average consumer is stupid.
They see 4 cylinder, they think "cheap" Even if it has a turbo on it, they can't get past that.
hard to sell someone on the idea of Premium when the engine is a 4 banger. (even as nice as the 2.5T in my current CX-5 is)
from that perspective, I think it's a great move for Mazda to go that route.
the 4 cylinder will still be around for certain applications (maybe the 3 and lower trim models)
Plus, I say it all the time, the average consumer is stupid.
They see 4 cylinder, they think "cheap" Even if it has a turbo on it, they can't get past that.
hard to sell someone on the idea of Premium when the engine is a 4 banger. (even as nice as the 2.5T in my current CX-5 is)
from that perspective, I think it's a great move for Mazda to go that route.
the 4 cylinder will still be around for certain applications (maybe the 3 and lower trim models)
Honestly, most consumers don't even know how many cylinders they have. You are giving them too much credit. They are gonna feel the difference in terms of low-end torque when they take off at a light, however, and that's why you see turbocharged engines and hybrids becoming more popular nowadays.
Again, I see an I6 Skyactiv-X being appealing if it's priced right, but not so much an NA I6 Skyactiv-G. The former could serve the purpose of a flagship engine.
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kevink0000 (12-08-2020)
12-07-2020, 11:28 PM
#29
Smoking turbo yay
But we are not talking about a sports car here. Mazda has just killed off Mazdaspeed. They have stated clearly that they don't want to be sporty anymore, they want to be in the luxury segment.
And it's very apparent that BMW is exhibiting the same trend, just not to the same extent(at least the M brand is not going anywhere).
For a sports car, I agree I would have preferred an NA model, but for a luxury car, I think turbocharged engines and hybrids would be more appealing.
And it's very apparent that BMW is exhibiting the same trend, just not to the same extent(at least the M brand is not going anywhere).
For a sports car, I agree I would have preferred an NA model, but for a luxury car, I think turbocharged engines and hybrids would be more appealing.
12-08-2020, 07:09 PM
#30
77 cylinders, 4 rotors...
All newer BMW engines are now turbocharged, so yeah, torque is definitely not gonna be an issue for the I6. You have to go at least 10 years back for an NA BMW I6 engine, and that's as bad of an idea as it sounds.
Honestly, most consumers don't even know how many cylinders they have. You are giving them too much credit. They are gonna feel the difference in terms of low-end torque when they take off at a light, however, and that's why you see turbocharged engines and hybrids becoming more popular nowadays.
Again, I see an I6 Skyactiv-X being appealing if it's priced right, but not so much an NA I6 Skyactiv-G. The former could serve the purpose of a flagship engine.
Honestly, most consumers don't even know how many cylinders they have. You are giving them too much credit. They are gonna feel the difference in terms of low-end torque when they take off at a light, however, and that's why you see turbocharged engines and hybrids becoming more popular nowadays.
Again, I see an I6 Skyactiv-X being appealing if it's priced right, but not so much an NA I6 Skyactiv-G. The former could serve the purpose of a flagship engine.
The N52 is a great engine, even if it is 10 years old. It will likely prove to be another m30, a 400k mile + engine. NA, port injection. Great powerband.
12-09-2020, 04:28 PM
#31
Yes out of Mexico, look at VIN numbers if you don't believe me 
Most of Europe's Mazda LHD cars come from Mexico, the 2, 3, CX-30.
IT IS a state of the art car plant, in fact cleaner and more modern than Mazda Japan...fact.
Mazda had some issues with Mexican suppliers like Fuel Tank sub assembly (a worker not connecting internal Evap Canister hose correctly) and Windows Sash Glass Runner Seals, but these get rectified and if supplier does not improve Japan simply cuts them free and freights the parts out of Japan to Mexico.
Most of Europe's Mazda LHD cars come from Mexico, the 2, 3, CX-30.
IT IS a state of the art car plant, in fact cleaner and more modern than Mazda Japan...fact.
Mazda had some issues with Mexican suppliers like Fuel Tank sub assembly (a worker not connecting internal Evap Canister hose correctly) and Windows Sash Glass Runner Seals, but these get rectified and if supplier does not improve Japan simply cuts them free and freights the parts out of Japan to Mexico.
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