There is a Porsche Carrera 4 S very low down in the list

Sometimes the problem is between the driver seat and the steering wheel.

 

The driver is the ultimate arbiter, but it goes to show, over and over again, that nearly any platform can be made to work.

FWD can be fast, RWD can be fast, AWD can be fast. People assuming that

"FWD must always bow down to RWD" are living in an insecure dreamworld. Enjoy your car for what it is and stop worrying about what everyone else is driving.

 

Driving style has to change in regards to FWD driving...

Can be very fast as well, you can lift off oversteer to point the car to the direction and use the traction of the front wheel and power to bring it out of the corner.

 

man..i hate to admit this but the 3 is quite fast in the straights...

 

Why hate to admit it? Its got boost...ANYTHING can be made fast simply by slapping a turbo on it...that is NOT rocket science...

Slap a turbo on your RX and then you can punk the MS3/6 all day long...

 

I would be more disappointed if something with a turbo didn't move very fast in the straights.

 

It's that simple, huh? Tell us about all those 500whp RX-8's running aftermarket turbos then. Do you have any idea how much prepatory work should go into a motor before it's boosted?

I shouldn't be suprised by your ricer logic though. I half expected that kind of comment from somebody who answers an informative autocross post with a juvenile kitty picture.

 

Yes its that simple...EVERYONE except you apparently knows that all you do is super glue a turbo to the hood of your car for an instant 500+HP boost...

And then you have to add the huge rear wing to keep that that power down to the ground...its all aboot the downforce...

And THEN you HAVE to glue on the stickers, type-r logos, and crasy paintjob cause that adds like an extra 50HP...

Finally you add a huge resonator to the rear of the car to free up the exhaust and add yet another 50HP...

In order to put all that power to the ground...you THEN need to use at least 24" rims with spinners to keep the inertia of the rotation as well as extra grip...

PFFFT....its apparent you know NOTHING about how to make a car go fast....



heh...

 

I can tell it's sarcasm, it's just tough to tell who it's directed at.

 

I just get one of those BOV sound effects kits. I feel faster AND my warranty is still intact and I still get the same mpg and if I see a cop I turn it off so I'm no louder than stock and stuff!

 

Say what you want about the 3 and the FWD, doesnt change the fact that the 3 is faster.

 

No it isnt dude...in fact I registered on the MS3 forum after reading a "kill story" and uber lame thread to set the record straight...

I kill em all the time...I'm all like...hey guy, hows it feel to drive a FWD econobox with a turbo slapped on? Didnt you know that the only thing that can beat an RX-8 is teh crossfire??!?!

After I registered to troll on the MS3 forum...I made them all bow down to the RX-8 due to my superior debating skills...

 

Eviltwinkie give you your kitty picture source! Please!

If all you care about I think there are better straight line cars than the Mazda3 in the same price range. The Rx-8 is more about driver experience than numbers. It's a joy to drive. I sometimes smile while barely applying power costing out of my driveway. It's fun to drive all the time, not just at WOT.

The list of cars that can trounce the 8 in a straight line is very long. Nothing new there. Still there isn't a car in the 8's price range that I would trade my 8 for. Of course including the MazdaSpeed3.

 

I don't understand why every1 is comparing the MS3 to the RX8 in the first place.
They are not in the same power range i mean come on ~180WHP to ~245WHP.
these are 2 different categories. Stop arguing. RX8 is better.PERIOD!

 

Great, now that the all knowing one has spoken we can let this thread die. Oh wait, it already had died before you decided to bump it

 

My brother just bought a new 07 Mazdaspeed3 .....black Mica colour...it looks great and I think it is great bag for your buck.....we just got back from some back roads test driving ...he said all the power is between 3 and 5800rpms...redline is at 6800 roughly?...but after 6k the power dies off.....it does pull nice! great torque, and I think the lines on the car look great with the 18inch rims and tires...good job Mazda...now if only they would develop a MS RX8....his car came with all the options...the only things u can't get is leather and a sunroof (Not avail at all?). But it had everything right down to autoclimate control. Very quick car!

 

MS3 > RX-8
MS3+8 > RX
3 Microsofts + 8 > Prescription
Microsoft + 8 > 1/3 Prescription
Microsoft ate 1/3 of my prescription

Q.E.D.

 

Umm no...again the MS3 is teh sux0rs...if you slap a snail on an RX8 its the winz0rs...

In stock trim we pWn it on teh twisties!

We can only lose to teh xfire!!

turblown-econobox FTL!

Now we can let this thread die...

 

My wife just answered this question last weekend..

We were way late for a concert on Saturday... and I took the Speed3... There were instances were I was going in the triple digits and in 5th gear even 6th, the car kept pulling and pulling... We were there in RECORD time...(I just made up this story BTW)

Then as we were leaving the concert she tells me... "Why didn't Mazda make an RX8 with this motor?" lol lol I started lughing.. what?? "Yes" she replied... "This car (MS3) is so smooth, so powerful, you don't even feel how fast you are going unlike the RX8, but it doesn't have the looks nor the suspension of the RX. blah blah blah"

You get my point?

I DO MISS the 8 dearly! handling and looks... no way the boxy MS3 will win in this category... but raw power, utility, gas mileage (I averaged 24 MPG with the AC ON going like a bullet) and engine technology the MS3 takes it all the way...

Now IF only the MS3 was RWD, I wouldn't even be having this conversation...

Carlos

 

If it was RWD it would be a slower blown-econobox due to the weight...the FWD suits it well...

Shame that so many owners are having issues with oil blowing past the turbo seals and eating more oil than we do...(read: blowing tons of white smoke)

Havent seen the problem yet? Just wait you will!!

 

It's not like I wasn't used to take my RX8 in average once every 1.5 months to the dealer due to recalls, brake problems, AC problems, headlight, rear lenses, gas tank, engine problems, etc... However I never cared as I LOVED the RX8...

Funny I haven't SEEN many owners (2 at the most) with the oil blowing past the turbo seals (I am in the 2 MS3 forums BTW)... White smoke IS NOT oil blowing past the turbo and I KNOW about turbos. We are having issues with motor mounts... lol lol

The car runs waaay rich and it defenitely is a detuned engine capable of easily making ~350 WHP with the stock internals...

Anyways, I wished the MS3 was a RWD or better yet an AWD like the MS6...

My 2 cents,
Carlos

 

Umm no...you'll see the white smoke problem soon enough...You obviously do not know enough about your turbos...give it a touch of time...

 

I own both and love love both. Though ill have to admit the 3 is faster for now.(picking up mazsport type 1 tmrw =) )anyway the 3 is for my gf and the other day we were at best buy and she just started laughing out of no where, and I called her crazy. She said "look at the mazda3 exhaust tip its so cute hahaha" .....that's why I love her. Hahah. Then she said "rx8 guys with exhaust would be laughing at you if you didn't have your hks exhaust" =\ . Anyway own both, love both, but all in all, rx8 looks better, handles better, and is more fun to drive. =) rx8 owns mazdaspeed 3. Hahah jk

 

Just wait, you'll need a new Renesis soon... You obviously don't know enough about rotaries... give it a touch of time...

 

Can you say torque steer? I love Mazda for having the ***** to make the Mazdaspeed3, but it is entirely a different animal than the RX-8. Most people who are in the market for an RX-8 will not even look twice at a Mazdaspeed3.