RX8 VS Mazdaspeed 3
05-24-2007, 04:00 PM
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WHAT!*@! The MS3 is faster in a strait line and handles well! I've gotta get to a mazda dealership right NOW to trade in my outdated 2007 rx8. I love hatchbacks x2, there so metro!
05-24-2007, 05:32 PM
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Sorry for trolling again, but again my 2cents -- I think the Maz3speed / Maz6speed will inevitably be the demise of the rx8 if they dont do something w/ it (the rx8) soon and significantly. Anytime u see intra-company competition between models, u know someone is stepping on someone's feet and there is an overlap and redunance in market competition and r&d effort/development.
Case in point : they axed the prelude as the integra/rsx was beefed with more power and sold way better. they axed the integra/rsx once the the civic si was beefed w/ more power and sold much better. they were all competing in the sporty 2-door coupe class within a reasonable price range.
The only main differentiator the rx8 holds right now is its rwd platform and its suicide doors. The fact that its a rotary-engine is disputable, since its uniqueness is also its weakness with poor power/fuel efficiency.. but ultimately its the sales #'s that will tell what lies ahead...
Case in point : they axed the prelude as the integra/rsx was beefed with more power and sold way better. they axed the integra/rsx once the the civic si was beefed w/ more power and sold much better. they were all competing in the sporty 2-door coupe class within a reasonable price range.
The only main differentiator the rx8 holds right now is its rwd platform and its suicide doors. The fact that its a rotary-engine is disputable, since its uniqueness is also its weakness with poor power/fuel efficiency.. but ultimately its the sales #'s that will tell what lies ahead...
05-24-2007, 08:08 PM
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Case in point : they axed the prelude as the integra/rsx was beefed with more power and sold way better. they axed the integra/rsx once the the civic si was beefed w/ more power and sold much better. they were all competing in the sporty 2-door coupe class within a reasonable price range.
The Prelude got too expensive and sales plummeted. Acura wants to appear more upscale so they dumped a car that started below $20K.
It is too bad the Prelude got canned. It had more personality than the current Civic Si ever did.
05-24-2007, 09:22 PM
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RX8 HA HA
I wouldn't be so quick to say the Speed3 is faster even in a straight line. I have a buddy with the Speed3 and we've run several times. I don't have any problem pulling him. Of course, I don't mind dumping the clutch at around 6k and I'm not quite stock anymore either (although I am still NA).
05-24-2007, 09:25 PM
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Are people that insecure here? That some factory tuned econobox will outrun our precious rx8 that owners have to post all sorts of "if" situations? Geez... when I had my old MZ3, it never bothered me one bit that a Dodge Neon turbo or an EVO will out sprint me. I feel secure about what I purchased then and now with the 8 so what if some souped up hatchback will toast me at the hwy or whatnot.
I bought the 8 after much shopping around and discover overtime that Mazda put heckuva thought into designing this car around the Renesis. Just look at the details put in on the RX-8 vs. the rest of the Mazda lineup and you can easily see why to this date the RX-8 is still Mazda's flagship.
I like the fact that the other day when I pulled into the Mazda dealership that the sales guys or the technician all stopped whatever be it wiping a MSP6 or a mazda3 to look at the 8 and its driver.
Likewise I am sure the 3series coupe owners would be pwned by these crop of hot-boxes, but I doubt any one of 'em would want to trade their 330ci or whatnot for one of those. There's more to life....mmmkay.
I bought the 8 after much shopping around and discover overtime that Mazda put heckuva thought into designing this car around the Renesis. Just look at the details put in on the RX-8 vs. the rest of the Mazda lineup and you can easily see why to this date the RX-8 is still Mazda's flagship.
I like the fact that the other day when I pulled into the Mazda dealership that the sales guys or the technician all stopped whatever be it wiping a MSP6 or a mazda3 to look at the 8 and its driver.
Likewise I am sure the 3series coupe owners would be pwned by these crop of hot-boxes, but I doubt any one of 'em would want to trade their 330ci or whatnot for one of those. There's more to life....mmmkay.
turbos are cheap and easy to make super fast... what can we do? get a rx7?
05-24-2007, 11:12 PM
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05-25-2007, 08:37 AM
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The MazdaSpeed 3 is like the Rx8's fat but sorta cute sister. She might get into bed QUICKER but she can't do what the 8 can do. Its like do you want Jennifer Aniston(rx8) or Jennifer Hudson(MS3)
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05-25-2007, 10:11 AM
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Anyone who thinks FWD can't handle or has to bown down to RWD on track hasn't ever been to the track. With the right skillset and setup (IE alignment & tire pressures) a FWD can be quite a weapon on nearly any track out there. I am coming from an SVT Focus, and with just a change in the PSIs of my daily-driver Azenis and no other mods would typically take top-10 raw times at the autocross and in the top 25% at our local small roadcourse with the Mustang club. The SVT was a phenomenal little car and handled exceptionally, and was in many ways easier to drive fast than the RX8.
So there are some faster FWDs. Who the hell cares. If you bought the RX-8 thinking it was the fastest car around then you didn't do very much research. If you bought the RX8 because it was one of the most enjoyable cars around, like I did, and like it despite the fact that somewhere/somehow somebody else is faster then good for you.
So there are some faster FWDs. Who the hell cares. If you bought the RX-8 thinking it was the fastest car around then you didn't do very much research. If you bought the RX8 because it was one of the most enjoyable cars around, like I did, and like it despite the fact that somewhere/somehow somebody else is faster then good for you.
All things being equal between car and driver except the chosen location of the driven wheels, RWD will almost always own FWD.
FWD: Front tires turn, accelerate and brake. Rear tires? ... Lose contact with the racing surface.
RWD: Front tires turn and brake. Rear tires accelerate and brake.
Why don't "real sports cars" ever have FWD if it's just as good as RWD?
Find a pro racing driver who says that he'd rather have FWD.
05-25-2007, 10:35 AM
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So you're a better driver than a bunch of noobs driving RWD cars?
All things being equal between car and driver except the chosen location of the driven wheels, RWD will almost always own FWD.
FWD: Front tires turn, accelerate and brake. Rear tires? ... Lose contact with the racing surface.
RWD: Front tires turn and brake. Rear tires accelerate and brake.
Why don't "real sports cars" ever have FWD if it's just as good as RWD?
Find a pro racing driver who says that he'd rather have FWD.
All things being equal between car and driver except the chosen location of the driven wheels, RWD will almost always own FWD.
FWD: Front tires turn, accelerate and brake. Rear tires? ... Lose contact with the racing surface.
RWD: Front tires turn and brake. Rear tires accelerate and brake.
Why don't "real sports cars" ever have FWD if it's just as good as RWD?
Find a pro racing driver who says that he'd rather have FWD.
05-25-2007, 12:50 PM
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05-25-2007, 01:00 PM
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Another big swing and a miss. I took from Carrera26's post that, with the proper setup, certain FWD cars can hang on certain tracks and certain track setups with any car. Am I mistaken? Try to find something you agree with in a post before you become fixated on debate.
05-25-2007, 04:44 PM
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So you're a better driver than a bunch of noobs driving RWD cars?
All things being equal between car and driver except the chosen location of the driven wheels, RWD will almost always own FWD.
FWD: Front tires turn, accelerate and brake. Rear tires? ... Lose contact with the racing surface.
RWD: Front tires turn and brake. Rear tires accelerate and brake.
Why don't "real sports cars" ever have FWD if it's just as good as RWD?
Find a pro racing driver who says that he'd rather have FWD.
All things being equal between car and driver except the chosen location of the driven wheels, RWD will almost always own FWD.
FWD: Front tires turn, accelerate and brake. Rear tires? ... Lose contact with the racing surface.
RWD: Front tires turn and brake. Rear tires accelerate and brake.
Why don't "real sports cars" ever have FWD if it's just as good as RWD?
Find a pro racing driver who says that he'd rather have FWD.
Oh... Like Jeff Altenburg or Pierre Kleinubing or one of the other drivers who currently and consistenly win Touring Car races vs. RWD competition. Or British Touring Car... or several SCCA classes (like STS), or any one of the number of regular track days going on out in the world where light & agile FWDs take the fight to RWDs and win. I guess the professional instructors at the SVT Owners Association trackdays were mistaken, foolish noobs when they advised the S/C Cobra owners to let the SVT Focuses by when we parked on their rear bumpers through half the track.
Don't be prejudiced. FWDs are typically lighter and have a better grip/weight ratio than most RWDs sold today (my SVTF had 225 Azenis and weighed 2640lbs), and are also quite a bit more stable through quick transitions. Recovery from an understeer situation is typically easier and quicker to rectify, and besides with the right setup a FWD can be totally neutral. I could make my car oversteer darn near anytime I liked.
Just go to a few trackdays or autocrosses, watch good and experienced FWD and RWD drivers running neck and neck and you will understand.
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05-25-2007, 06:20 PM
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Try looking a little harder. Maybe even at your own local events...
Texas Spokes Region SCCA Autocross Results
Event 2
Event 3
Don't let me stew in the suspense here... does the RX-8 ever beat that Civic?
Or maybe you didn't see these Stock class Mini Coopers in the neighboring region... Kinda hard to believe you didn't notice them putting 3 seconds on the fastest RX-8, and beating all the CS miatas.
Houston Region Results
Would you like me to branch out into road racing results from Texas Motor Speedway or should I just stop now?
Texas Spokes Region SCCA Autocross Results
Event 2
Event 3
Don't let me stew in the suspense here... does the RX-8 ever beat that Civic?
Or maybe you didn't see these Stock class Mini Coopers in the neighboring region... Kinda hard to believe you didn't notice them putting 3 seconds on the fastest RX-8, and beating all the CS miatas.
Houston Region Results
Would you like me to branch out into road racing results from Texas Motor Speedway or should I just stop now?
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05-25-2007, 06:58 PM
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I agree that Mazda needs to get more power in the 8 or it will be gone. RX-7 is planned for 2010 so think the 8 is on the way out. Now the speed3 is quick/fast but it doesn't turn heads like an 8. In short, you can drive a budget HP car or get an 8 that has some good speed, amazing handling/braking and styling.
05-25-2007, 07:04 PM
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Sigh... there is NO RX-7 PLANNED OR ANNOUNCED. ok? get over it. 2010 will be an updated Rx-8 with luck it will have FI.
There will never again be a Rx-7. And say we take a pipe dream trip and say there was a new Rx-7, the stats would be ~2800 lbs+ and making the same 230 crank (~180 to the wheels) hp.
You *might* get as light as 2700 lbs.
There will never again be a Rx-7. And say we take a pipe dream trip and say there was a new Rx-7, the stats would be ~2800 lbs+ and making the same 230 crank (~180 to the wheels) hp.
You *might* get as light as 2700 lbs.
05-25-2007, 11:06 PM
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Try looking a little harder. Maybe even at your own local events...
Texas Spokes Region SCCA Autocross Results
Event 2
Event 3
Don't let me stew in the suspense here... does the RX-8 ever beat that Civic?
Or maybe you didn't see these Stock class Mini Coopers in the neighboring region... Kinda hard to believe you didn't notice them putting 3 seconds on the fastest RX-8, and beating all the CS miatas.
Houston Region Results
Would you like me to branch out into road racing results from Texas Motor Speedway or should I just stop now?
Texas Spokes Region SCCA Autocross Results
Event 2
Event 3
Don't let me stew in the suspense here... does the RX-8 ever beat that Civic?
Or maybe you didn't see these Stock class Mini Coopers in the neighboring region... Kinda hard to believe you didn't notice them putting 3 seconds on the fastest RX-8, and beating all the CS miatas.
Houston Region Results
Would you like me to branch out into road racing results from Texas Motor Speedway or should I just stop now?
haa haa haa...
05-25-2007, 11:06 PM
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Finally tally:
Ike: +2
Mugatu: -3
Noob: -26 for the noob for calling me a toy and being an overall fanboi and idiot
Woooo, what do I win?